3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I will say McNeil was younger at 20(might turn 21 by the start of the season) but was built like a NT at 6ft 320. Personally speaking probably would have valued the pass rusher more as well. 

The one that gets taken in front of you..... no longer becomes a choice.   Howie then goofed in admitting what happened.   Not the first time he messes up when in a pinch and not having time to prepare a statement.   You see a lot of the true colors when they don't have time to spin things. 

Not sure if there were others on our board I know Zech Mcphearson was high on our board that we thought about trading up for him in round 3 got in the 4th.

I know McNeil seems to been high on our board as well. Could there have been other possibly so. Also don’t know where Williams was ranked either. 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Jeff McLane

 

@Jeff_McLane

 

 

Howie Roseman said on WIP this morning Tom Donahoe wanted NC State DT Alim McNeill when #Eagles traded back for Milton Williams. Can confirm from 2 independent sources that was the case. But he wasn’t only one who wanted McNeill. Donahoe also thought another 6th was needless.

This is McClean ... Howie said it himself... we lost a couple higher rated players on our board ...  AFTER THE TRADE!    So if you interpreted that... if those players were not taken, can you guarantee Williams would have been the pick? If they say they are following their board, then Williams wouldn't have been the pick 

Just now, joemas6 said:

This is McClean ... Howie said it himself... we lost a couple higher rated players on our board ...  AFTER THE TRADE!    So if you interpreted that... if those players were not taken, can you guarantee Williams would have been the pick? If they say they are following their board, then Williams wouldn't have been the pick 

What I can interpret is that it seems like we wanted another DT where we sat or the very least Tom and couple others wanted him. Not worried about the other possible guys we might have had higher then Williams but lower then McNeil. Because to me seems like round 3 was going to a DT regardless 

To me... Williams needed to be their pick at 70.   If so, then no issue from me,it's their choice.  However,  if they lost the player they were going to take simply to get that 6th rounder...  this is the stuff I would have a problem with.  

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

What I can interpret is that it seems like we wanted another DT where we sat or the very least Tom and couple others wanted him. Not worried about the other possible guys we might have had higher then Williams but lower then McNeil. Because to me seems like round 3 was going to a DT regardless 

Right... losing one guy is enough for it to be dumb to trade back...just for a 6th rounder.    That's an insult to the work your scouts and everyone else puts in.     A disagreement on who would have been the pick at 70... I can live with.  My gut tells me the other guy would have been the pick at 70.  It's why I don't like it. 

Also why I like the thought process of selecting Dickerson.  Just get your BPA and move on.  If you made a mistake,  let it be judging the player, not because you got too cute trying to maneuver the draft. 

Can you imagine losing Brian Westbrook in round 3 of 2002... because we traded down to get an extra 6th!      Why bother? 

6 hours ago, jsb235 said:

One thing I find interesting is that our draft, after pick 84, probably looks exactly the same whether we trade with the Cowboys or not.

We traded pick 84. But there are reports that the team almost traded back into the third to grab Zech, so it is very likely we would have drafted him with pick 84 had we kept it.

If we drafted Zech at 84, does anyone think we would have passed on Gainwell at 123? From all reports he was great value at that spot, and he fits exactly what the Eagles want to do at RB.

I don't know if we would have taken Marlon at 150. I love a lot of the picks who were taken around that time. Nixon, a few safety prospects, a few wr prospects were there, but if they really loved someone, they could have traded up to grab them with all of their later round picks, two of which we ended up trading for a fifth rounder next year. So I have to believe that Marlon would have at least been in the conversation at 150.

So for all the angst of losing pick 84, ultimately our draft was probably exactly the same. The only real difference is that had we not moved up for Smith, he wouldn't be on the team.

I think you might be correct with this assessment. We’d probably just be paying the same guys slightly more for being drafted earlier

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Doug liked to run the ball too.  It helped Wentz a ton last year!

Maybe if Wentz stuck with the running plays more instead of calling his own number....

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It's all the QB in KC ...  he has had to overcome lack of talent within the offense his entire career so far.

Not sure what’s so elite about the KC offensive players? Kelce and Hill are beast. Not sure anybody else moves the needle for me. What did they have Conley as the other WR? Their RB was what Williams? Not even sure before they drafted Edwards-Helaire. Backup TEs? No idea. Mecole Hardman was a good addition. He’s a developmental burner. Hardly a guy that would have produced anything here. Can’t think of any other WR that have really done anything for them. One really good Oline. The rest...well they just dropped them and got new guys. Obviously weren’t sweating it. So yeah..,,it’s mostly Mahomes and AR. Great TE and a speedster WR.

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Slay Mcphearson outside Maddox slot Jaquett and James as backups 

Underestimating James. He earned the job. Different coaches but still.....

5 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Dillard  gives the impression of being soft mentally

I don't know if that's fair but to me he seems to come off that way.

Probably fair. We do know Brooks is soft mentally. Hasn’t stopped him from reaching the Pro Bowl however.

17 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Maybe if Wentz stuck with the running plays more instead of calling his own number....

Yeah.. I think Wentz was trying to save Sanders long term... was much better for him passing last year to the all pros and taking hits.  Just makes sense !

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure what’s so elite about the KC offensive players? Kelce and Hill are beast. Not sure anybody else moves the needle for me. What did they have Conley as the other WR? Their RB was what Williams? Not even sure before they drafted Edwards-Helaire. Backup TEs? No idea. Mecole Hardman was a good addition. He’s a developmental burner. Hardly a guy that would have produced anything here. Can’t think of any other WR that have really done anything for them. One really good Oline. The rest...well they just dropped them and got new guys. Obviously weren’t sweating it. So yeah..,,it’s mostly Mahomes and AR. Great TE and a speedster WR.

Ok... which other teams in the NFL move the needle for you as far as skill positions... who you think have a better unit than KC?

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I can't really say that I see anything with Dillard either way... he was shutdown with an injury last year.   Nothing at all from 2020.   I would like to see him on the field before claiming to be an expert on him like some of us on here seem to know all this stuff from thousands of miles away?  

We drafted him because he just finished a season without giving up a sack or even a QB pressure. I thought the main concern was his run blocking ability. Stout backed him all the way on this however. He looked good doing it in his limited action. I don’t see a reason to think Dillard won’t be a very good LT. There was a reason the team turned the job over to him last year.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We drafted him because he just finished a season without giving up a sack or even a QB pressure. I thought the main concern was his run blocking ability. Stout backed him all the way on this however. He looked good doing it in his limited action. I don’t see a reason to think Dillard won’t be a very good LT. There was a reason the team turned the job over to him last year.

Right,  we shouldn't write him off,especially since he is under contract a few more seasons and Mailata is on his last year. He got hurt,  there was nothing good or bad on him from 2020.

33 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Underestimating James. He earned the job. Different coaches but still.....

He was worse then Douglas who didn’t even fit us and injured hell not even better then Jaquett at this point. 

Just saying Ham James feel like your boy Hester or Ostman or all these other PS bottom roster guys you hype up that never show up.
 

I hope James is the outlier and becomes a stud but right now he see him as what he is at best the 4th-5th CB

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just saying Ham James feel like your boy Hester or Ostman or all these other PS bottom roster guys you hype up that never show up.
 

I hope James is the outlier and becomes a stud but right now he see him as what he is at best the 4th-5th CB

The bigger picture...  I hope Dickerson shows up better than Ham's boy Barimore.... similar to how Lane turned out way more impactful than Ham's boy Ziggy....    not the left handed guitarist, boy could he play. 

4 hours ago, stine said:

The 17 corners the Eagles have drafted since 2004 are Maddox, Sidney Jones, Rasul Douglas, Blake Countess, Jalen Mills, Eric Rowe, JaCorey Sheperd, Randall Evans, Jordan Power, Brandon Boykin, Curtis Marsh, Trevard Lindley, Jack Ikegwuonu, Rashard Barksdale, Jeremy Bloom, Matt Ware and Dexter Wynn.

  Only Mills played decent, but no stand out CB drafted in the past 17 years. McPhereson is the answer! Just plug him in!

It would take a list like this to make Mills look so incredible

3 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

There are some veterans available — Bashaud Breeland, Casey Hayward Jr., Steve Nelson, Brian Poole. But at this point there’s a reason they’re still on the street.

I live in Chiefs country so i watch Breeland every Sunday

He's a hard NO

Breeland is ok. Especially for a Cover Two scheme. He’s a pretty tough player that is durable. I just don’t want to spend money on players. So whoever they get has to be cheap.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Right... the other DT absolutely makes the most sense and it was what everyone thought was the issue since the beginning.   It's why to me, I actually liked the 2nd pick the best out of the first 2 days.   Nothing cute... go select your player that you have rated the highest and move on.     The first pick felt forced in trading up and trading back was to cute for an extra 6th.     Just take the player that's there on the board.    This is why if I had to guess... Dickerson ends up being the best player out of the 3 long term... it was the least Howie method of making a pick out of them all 

It actually felt like Dickerson was the most Rosie pick of them all. Took him too high and he has serious durability issues. We all should have seen it coming.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It actually felt like Dickerson was the most Rosie pick of them all. Took him too high and he has serious durability issues. We all should have seen it coming.

Smith felt like the most Howie pick giving up an extra 3rd for a WR in an deep class. Not going to say he won’t be worth it but the move screamed Howie. Always can have the what ifs as well if we don’t take Smith does NY would we then trade with Chicago??? Would NY have taken the trade still and we got Smith at 12. If we kept that 3rd would it have just went to Mcphearson anyway who reports said we were considering trading back into round 3 for. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... which other teams in the NFL move the needle for you as far as skill positions... who you think have a better unit than KC?

Tampa Bay has better offensive players. Cleveland, Minnesota, Chicago is about a tie, San Fran about a tie, Seattle, Rams, Cowboys, Green Bay, New Orleans....list is getting too long...there are obvious others

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He was worse then Douglas who didn’t even fit us and injured hell not even better then Jaquett at this point. 

Worse than the guy that was cut while he got a raise. Yeah, it didn’t go down that way in TC last year. Douglas had plenty of opportunity here. Never made it happen.

51 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just saying Ham James feel like your boy Hester or Ostman or all these other PS bottom roster guys you hype up that never show up.
 

I hope James is the outlier and becomes a stud but right now he see him as what he is at best the 4th-5th CB

Looks like the second best corner to me...on this roster. Doesn’t even feel like it’s debatable or even close.