43 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The bigger picture...  I hope Dickerson shows up better than Ham's boy Barimore.... similar to how Lane turned out way more impactful than Ham's boy Ziggy....    not the left handed guitarist, boy could he play. 

Lane is looking like he fell into the same trap Ziggy did. Lane been playing injured and hasn’t looked good for quite awhile. Getting huge money....results I haven’t been seeing for years.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Worse than the guy that was cut while he got a raise. Yeah, it didn’t go down that way in TC last year. Douglas had plenty of opportunity here. Never made it happen.

Looks like the second best corner to me...on this roster. Doesn’t even feel like it’s debatable or even close.

Who played better last year again pretty sure Douglas in Carolina.... shocker 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Worse than the guy that was cut while he got a raise. Yeah, it didn’t go down that way in TC last year. Douglas had plenty of opportunity here. Never made it happen.

Looks like the second best corner to me...on this roster. Doesn’t even feel like it’s debatable or even close.

Yup like Ostman was a pro bowler and Hester was irreplaceable you definitely love your PS guys 

LOL... I will go.   Williams seems like the most Howie pick .... trading down to grab an all important 6th rounder... (did we trade that pick? ... if so, dude can it be more Howie than that????)

Then seems like the position was the most important thing, disregarding the possibility of a couple of players that were on top of the board being taken.     And obvious putting more importance on the position (grading that position with a curve) than other players who seem could have been rated higher.

Dickerson to me... it simply screams BPA and that's it.      

1.  They put equal importance on both lines... going into that pick the DL had less youth and less depth.  Barimore or any other DL fit more of the need.  

2.  The same curve they give to grading the OL, they give to grading the DL ... so nothing extra there.

3.  Two guys being equal, you take the healthier one.  Follow Stine lately, we know Dickerson is not the picture of health.

There is no reason to take Dickerson over Barimore or any other DL they had graded equally ....  (you can use this excuse for CB and any other non line position, but not with choosing OL over DL)

Nothing makes sense other than Dickerson had to be their highest rated player at the time.    How it works out, who knows, but at least we can honestly say this was their highest rated player at the time and no other reason.  

What isn’t debatable is Douglas being the better player what is debatable is Jaquett being ahead of James who has shown nothing at the nfl level what isn’t debatable is Zech being the only player hand picked by the new staff.

If anything James has an uphill climb 

15 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Smith felt like the most Howie pick giving up an extra 3rd for a WR in an deep class. Not going to say he won’t be worth it but the move screamed Howie. Always can have the what ifs as well if we don’t take Smith does NY would we then trade with Chicago??? Would NY have taken the trade still and we got Smith at 12. If we kept that 3rd would it have just went to Mcphearson anyway who reports said we were considering trading back into round 3 for. 

Of coarse you have to go back before this statement: rewind...,we had pick six...remember? We got a fourth and a first next year. So giving up a third feels meek in the big picture of what happened. Needed to get our guy. So we gained a first next year and gave up a third but got a fourth. Feels like we were on the upside of all that dealing to me. Pitts or Chase were the huge needle movers. Rosie was correct in they weren’t going to be there at six. He actually read that part of the draft well. Seemed like he read the Giants intentions well also. We heard rumors of Rosie wanting to move back up well before draft day. So all in all....Rosie did a great job in round one. He got max value back but still got the elite level player we craved.

Deep WR class is tough to judge BG. Felt like Smith was the last WR One. Him having experience with Hurts makes him even higher on our board than most. Which it seems he was that high on most everybodies board anyway. Several thought him the top WR talent in this draft.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Of coarse you have to go back before this statement: rewind...,we had pick six...remember? We got a fourth and a first next year. So giving up a third feels meek in the big picture of what happened. Needed to get our guy. So we gained a first next year and gave up a third but got a fourth. Feels like we were on the upside of all that dealing to me. Pitts or Chase were the huge needle movers. Rosie was correct in they weren’t going to be there at six. He actually read that part of the draft well. Seemed like he read the Giants intentions well also. We heard rumors of Rosie wanting to move back up well before draft day. So all in all....Rosie did a great job in round one. He got max value back but still got the elite level player we craved.

All that still screams my first statement being the most Howie pick 

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Who played better last year again pretty sure Douglas in Carolina.... shocker 

Yup like Ostman was a pro bowler and Hester was irreplaceable you definitely love your PS guys 

Douglas was so unstoppable....they didn’t even try to keep him. Yeah, real lock down corner that guy.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Douglas was so unstoppable....they didn’t even try to keep him. Yeah, real lock down corner that guy.

Who played better ham???? Make the bet Douglas better this year over James as well 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

LOL... I will go.   Williams seems like the most Howie pick .... trading down to grab an all important 6th rounder... (did we trade that pick? ... if so, dude can it be more Howie than that????)

Then seems like the position was the most important thing, disregarding the possibility of a couple of players that were on top of the board being taken.     And obvious putting more importance on the position (grading that position with a curve) than other players who seem could have been rated higher.

Dickerson to me... it simply screams BPA and that's it.      

1.  They put equal importance on both lines... going into that pick the DL had less youth and less depth.  Barimore or any other DL fit more of the need.  

2.  The same curve they give to grading the OL, they give to grading the DL ... so nothing extra there.

3.  Two guys being equal, you take the healthier one.  Follow Stine lately, we know Dickerson is not the picture of health.

There is no reason to take Dickerson over Barimore or any other DL they had graded equally ....  (you can use this excuse for CB and any other non line position, but not with choosing OL over DL)

Nothing makes sense other than Dickerson had to be their highest rated player at the time.    How it works out, who knows, but at least we can honestly say this was their highest rated player at the time and no other reason.  

Of coarse then the Pats trade up for Barmore. Nothing signals a nail in the coffin of choice of draft pick more.

Also willing to bet James doesn’t start for us as well 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Who played better ham???? Make the bet Douglas better this year over James as well 

Where is Douglas playing? Is he still playing in America?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Where is Douglas playing? Is he still playing in America?

Raiders bet he starts more then we can say for James 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Probably fair. We do know Brooks is soft mentally. Hasn’t stopped him from reaching the Pro Bowl however.

Agreed but playing next to Lane seems to give him confidence

Just now, Asg 15 said:

Agreed but playing next to Lane seems to give him confidence

Of coarse when Lane went down he couldn’t even suit up. A healthy scratch. Pro Bowler that can’t play because expectations are high. That’s mentally soft.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Of coarse when Lane went down he couldn’t even suit up. A healthy scratch. Pro Bowler that can’t play because expectations are high. That’s mentally soft.

No arguement from me

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Raiders bet he starts more then we can say for James 

I would argue against Douglas starting but I honestly can’t even name a single corner on the Raiders team. They actually might be worse than us at the position.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Tampa Bay has better offensive players. Cleveland, Minnesota, Chicago is about a tie, San Fran about a tie, Seattle, Rams, Cowboys, Green Bay, New Orleans....list is getting too long...there are obvious others

LOL    Go find me some articles from football experts ... i'm curious to where the Chiefs are not at the tip of the list.  

Chicago ... over KC  .... LOL   

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ranking_the_skill_position_player_groups_for_every_nfl_team/s1__32477894#slide_1     Aug 2020   ... rank 1

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ranking_the_skill_position_groups_for_each_nfl_team/s1__29553548#slide_30     ...    July 2019    rank 3

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/best-supporting-cast-nfl-browns-buccaneers-saints-cowboys-chiefs-niners   ... May 2020  ... rank 1

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895219-ranking-every-nfl-qbs-supporting-cast-for-2020      ....  June 2020   (QB's best supporting cast)    RANK 1

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2891596-bleacher-report-community-offensive-skill-position-rankings       May 2020  ... rank 1 ,  I quoted this one, thought it was a nice touch

I know. You're stunned. It's OK. Take a moment. Collect yourself.

There's no way that any team but the Kansas City Chiefs was going to find itself atop these rankings. The Chiefs are an offensive buzzsaw that may well go down as one of the most prolific and potent units in NFL history.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29446061/ranking-offensive-weapons-all-32-nfl-teams-2020-barnwell-picks-best-worst   Jul 2020  ... I like this one because it has the Chiefs ranked 1 in 2020  .... 2 in 2019    and 1 in 2018

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/8/10/21361677/pass-catching-receivers-ranked     ... this one I like because of the title ... "  an unbiased, totally correct ranking of Every NFL pass catching group.  2020 edition"

 

IDK... this is a lot of football publications whose jobs it is to do this kind of stuff.     I can't say that I'm not shocked that KC is ahead of the Bears ...LOL    Dude that was great I almost spit my water all over the screen reading your post.     

Ham you are the best, I need this laugh!  

 

 

 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I would argue against Douglas starting but I honestly can’t even name a single corner on the Raiders team. They actually might be worse than us at the position.

And we have the world beaters here in Philly lmao love the excuses why James will fail 

We were talking about total offense. Now you try and reframe skill position. Whatever. If DeMarcus Robinson is soooo great. Sammy Watkins has been everywhere. Never really moved the needle much. They just added Helaire as a first round pick. Hardman hasn’t learned a route that doesn’t involve just going fast. Kelce, Hill and Mahomes are electric. Their Oline works. Not a group of studs. I’d take TB all day long. Evans, Godwin and Antonio freaking Brown. You kidding me? They have three TEs. Two stud RBs.

You think Williams or Helaire are Zeke? Nowhere close. Cooper, Lamb and Gallup....blows away those other KC WR. Oline goes Cowboys too. Coach, Qb and TE go KC.

Landry, Beckham, Chubb, Hunt, Hooper and Njoku? Sign me up for that. Yes please

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You think Williams or Helaire are Zeke? Nowhere close. Cooper, Lamb and Gallup....blows away those other KC WR. Oline goes Cowboys too. Coach, Qb and TE go KC.

Didn’t KC just massively overhaul that OL cowboys OL overrated at best say it’s a push 

Michael Thomas is the best WR in the league. Emmanuel Sanders is a very proven bada22 speedster. Kamara just kills it. Jared Cook is an athletic TE even if his brain isn’t wired right.

Of coarse you posted a source that named the Eagles as sixth best pass catchers hahahahaha. Oh yeah! Alshon and DJax were unstoppable last year. Hahahahahaha