36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Michael Thomas is the best WR in the league. Emmanuel Sanders is a very proven bada22 speedster. Kamara just kills it. Jared Cook is an athletic TE even if his brain isn’t wired 

 

29 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That false there rush attack is mediocre. Massive area the bills need to correct for awhile Allen was there leading rusher the Qab shouldn’t be the leading rusher for a team. Think Singletary ending up finishing top with 680 yards but overall the rushing attack for the bills needs work. 

Very generous calling their rushing attack mediocre.   Bills fans would disagree

My fault, it was clearly Spencer Ware and Chadarick West you are referring to that fueled the Chiefs as a juggernaut 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m trying to figure out if Chris Conley is the guy you are trying to hang your hat on or DeMarcus Robinson? Robinson 466 receiving yard best season does give DCs nightmares.

Idk... I think your issue is with all these publications that put the Chiefs at the top of their lists for 3 years?

You need to get some phone numbers and create some petitions.   Get a sign made and go march down at Novacare.     

I did have Mahomes in fantasy as was annoyed when they put up some nice points without him, and then he struggled when he was missing Kelce and Hill.    Even with that, I didn't write any of these articles... they are from the experts.   Obviously you know more! 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My fault, it was clearly Spencer Ware and Chadarick West you are referring to that fueled the Chiefs as a juggernaut 

Idk... who were all these articles referring to?    Which one did I write?

Clearly you are the smartest football mindset there... they need to consult you before writing these things.

35 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

That false there rush attack is mediocre. Massive area the bills need to correct for awhile Allen was there leading rusher the Qab shouldn’t be the leading rusher for a team. Think Singletary ending up finishing top with 680 yards but overall the rushing attack for the bills needs work. 

Edwards Helaire had 800 yards rushing. So Singletary must be boss then.

I will say... Mahomes got a welcome to the league moment in the Superbowl.  He has had a relatively easy time of things in his short career.   Not always going to be like that.   That takes nothing away from him, but not acknowledging KC has done an excellent job putting and keeping talent around him is just a little ignorant.  

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk... I think your issue is with all these publications that put the Chiefs at the top of their lists for 3 years?

You need to get some phone numbers and create some petitions.   Get a sign made and go march down at Novacare.     

I did have Mahomes in fantasy as was annoyed when they put up some nice points without him, and then he struggled when he was missing Kelce and Hill.    Even with that, I didn't write any of these articles... they are from the experts.   Obviously you know more! 

 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk... who were all these articles referring to?    Which one did I write?

Clearly you are the smartest football mindset there... they need to consult you before writing these things.

I really don’t feel a need to take a backseat to your so called experts. Not on football knowledge. You field a team with Conley, Williams, Robinson and West as your only skill guys. Good luck with that. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I will say... Mahomes got a welcome to the league moment in the Superbowl.  He has had a relatively easy time of things in his short career.   Not always going to be like that.   That takes nothing away from him, but not acknowledging KC has done an excellent job putting and keeping talent around him is just a little ignorant.  

You mean when he was hobbled and could barely move?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

I really don’t feel a need to take a backseat to your so called experts. Not on football knowledge. You field a team with Conley, Williams, Robinson and West as your only skill guys. Good luck with that. 

You are your biggest fan... no doubt about that. 

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now I’ve at least heard of another Raiders corner. He’s old and not very good...but he’s clearly their best.

I had zero interest in him.  Ditto Sherman and McCourty.  

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

What if Surtain fell?  You can guarantee we would have passed on him?   What if next year they absolutely love a guy round 1 or round 2? 

It's not possible they simply really like Dickerson more than any CB that was there at 37?   Not possible?    And it's not possible that most other teams felt the same, and not possible that it's correct?

Like your Cleveland team forcing the Weeden type picks at QB... how many Joe Thomas type picks did they pass up trying to force QB?   

Maybe the need no longer becomes a need if you simply select the right player ... when the time comes.    Not trying to force it.   Instead take someone to help Joe Thomas and wait for a better QB.    

You see what I'm saying.  Simply selecting the position doesn't mean anything if the player doesn't have the ability to get the job done.  Why pass on a better player when you have tons of other needs? 

Heck you wanted to draft another WR! 

Yeah But I took my CB in round 2(and slew of CB's was still there) and with a second WR pick(4 or later),we may have been able to cross off that box.Then I had my C in round 3,so actually my mock addressed the needs just fine. I had Kahlil Herbert in round 5(because I thought Gainwell would be gone) So whatever Joe. You always talk about planning for the future and the team and I both did,just in a differing order. IDK about Surtain Joe. If both Smith and Surtain(theoretically) were available who do you take????? My entire mock was guys that could "get the job done" so I guess NO, IDK what you're talking about. There is no future if you dont choose the players that will get you there today. Ignoring positions annually is WHAT WE DO(like why did we take Smith over Parsons?). I hope some of these players work out,but I certainly addressed the long term. Every draft is about the long term, FA is for the "now",so nope I have no idea what you're talking about 

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But you are comparing pick 12 in the draft...the top LB... to the CBs that were there at 37... and you are of the mindset that selecting the CB at 37 is addressing the issue for the next 5 years?   Big assumption on your part.  Obviously they disagree with your assessment of the CBs that were there.

Obviously and once again the position gets ignored. I hope Zech works out,but if you want the top talent at a position,you need to pick the top talent thats out there

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Dallas took the best player there.   Very simple concept.  The Eagles did that at 37... just you don't agree he was the best player.  But it absolutely shows BPA because it doesn't address the simple current biggest need.   But there is no arguing that the pick was their highest rated on their board and nothing else.   

To me, this is not their norm.  They admit as much.   The very next pick they lost a couple of players rated higher on their board because of trading down.  Round 3 was the typical Howie move of being too cute. 

Ok... how many picks does it take to move up to get your QB?

Depends on our record

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But Howie admitted that they lost a couple of higher rated guys after the trade.

Didn't seem Howie liked Williams better, just that he was who was available.    Howie wanted that all important 6th round pick, that was more important than securing the player, which in his own words they lost. 

Welp we will make up for that "loss" next year in theory and if Howie doesn't do something stupid

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah But I took my CB in round 2(and slew of CB's was still there) and with a second WR pick(4 or later),we may have been able to cross off that box.Then I had my C in round 3,so actually my mock addressed the needs just fine. I had Kahlil Herbert in round 5(because I thought Gainwell would be gone) So whatever Joe. You always talk about planning for the future and the team and I both did,just in a differing order. IDK about Surtain Joe. If both Smith and Surtain(theoretically) were available who do you take????? My entire mock was guys that could "get the job done" so I guess NO, IDK hat you're talking about. There is no future if you dont choose the players that will get you there today. Ignoring positions annually is WHAT WE DO(like why did we take Smith over Parsons?). I hope some of these players work out,but I certainly addressed the long term. Every draft is about the long term, FA is for the "now,so nope I have no idea what you're talking about 

1.  I think you know 2 reasons why we took Smith over Parsons

First they value WR more than LB.   Jerry Robinson in 1979 or 1980 was the last time the Eagles took a LB.    We've been over that one enough.

Second, Smith was more flash for fan appeal.   That's besides a player for Hurts etc.

And no issue with your order of doing things... obviously the Eagles felt different and clearly love Dickerson while not so much on Asante Jr. Etc.     It is what it is.  Obviously you filled a need, they were about taking the specific player.   Which is why for that pick, I've been waiting years for that.  They always seem to pick a player for something other than " clearly the best on our board "   the last I heard that reason was 2015 3rd round... when Chip shocked everyone and took Hicks.   

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Obviously and once again the position gets ignored. I hope Zech works out,but if you want the top talent at a position,you need to pick the top talent thats out there

Depends on our record

We pick 10th next year... how many picks do you think it takes to move up?    I can't see how it wouldn't cost us 2 firsts at minimum. 

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah But I took my CB in round 2(and slew of CB's was still there) and with a second WR pick(4 or later),we may have been able to cross off that box.Then I had my C in round 3,so actually my mock addressed the needs just fine. I had Kahlil Herbert in round 5(because I thought Gainwell would be gone) So whatever Joe. You always talk about planning for the future and the team and I both did,just in a differing order. IDK about Surtain Joe. If both Smith and Surtain(theoretically) were available who do you take????? My entire mock was guys that could "get the job done" so I guess NO, IDK hat you're talking about. There is no future if you dont choose the players that will get you there today. Ignoring positions annually is WHAT WE DO(like why did we take Smith over Parsons?). I hope some of these players work out,but I certainly addressed the long term. Every draft is about the long term, FA is for the "now,so nope I have no idea what you're talking about 

Idk... is a 25 year old FA all about the now?   I think it's been a while since we signed a real FA that we forgot.   

Fast forward 5 years from now... Pitts is a free agent.  Are you signing him just for 2026?  Or for what he  possibly brings  for 4-8 more years?

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

1.  I think you know 2 reasons why we took Smith over Parsons

First they value WR more than LB.   Jerry Robinson in 1979 or 1980 was the last time the Eagles took a LB.    We've been over that one enough.

Second, Smith was more flash for fan appeal.   That's besides a player for Hurts etc.

And no issue with your order of doing things... obviously the Eagles felt different and clearly love Dickerson while not so much on Asante Jr. Etc.     It is what it is.  Obviously you filled a need, they were about taking the specific player.   Which is why for that pick, I've been waiting years for that.  They always seem to pick a player for something other than " clearly the best on our board "   the last I heard that reason was 2015 3rd round... when Chip shocked everyone and took Hicks.   

Well,I was against the trade back from the start,BUT next year is sitting pretty. I'm sure the trade back will all be forgotten when Wentz does fine  and we get 3 round 1's next year. Howie should take this year and do another "football guy training" drill and concentrate on the D side if he is going to continue making the picks. He needs to become more familiar. If the DC wants a player and Howie doesn't know he is right due to his inexperience,then LB and CB will always be ignored positions

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk... is a 25 year old FA all about the now?   I think it's been a while since we signed a real FA that we forgot.   

Fast forward 5 years from now... Pitts is a free agent.  Are you signing him just for 2026?  Or for what he  possibly brings  for 4-8 more years?

I have no clue, I can't predict the future 5 years from now

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk... is a 25 year old FA all about the now?   I think it's been a while since we signed a real FA that we forgot.   

Fast forward 5 years from now... Pitts is a free agent.  Are you signing him just for 2026?  Or for what he  possibly brings  for 4-8 more years?

Most FA's are because you failed in the past to draft and develop(see Djax and Alshon). The future of this team should have started in 2019. Failed picks and/or failure to develop them leads to not having a future(rinse and repeat).So once again we shall see if these picks all turn out. Why didn't we re-sign Agholor if we did such a bang up job at development? 

Why do other WR's stay with their team after 5 years and re-sign? We can't we do this?(we manage to do it with linemen but...)

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We pick 10th next year... how many picks do you think it takes to move up?    I can't see how it wouldn't cost us 2 firsts at minimum. 

Maybe thats why Howie did it? Howie covers Howie lol. If Hurts is great he will say "see I told you so",if he sucks Howie will say "see I prepared for this very thing". Howie wins either way

Some failures have been based on us being Contenders. Giving away draft picks for Tate and Avery type moves. If you give away those picks and make the postseason your draft capital is limited.

42 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

 

Very generous calling their rushing attack mediocre.   Bills fans would disagree

The RBs were terrible I gave them mediocre because of what Allen brings as a runner lol 

22 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

1.  I think you know 2 reasons why we took Smith over Parsons

First they value WR more than LB.   Jerry Robinson in 1979 or 1980 was the last time the Eagles took a LB.    We've been over that one enough.

Second, Smith was more flash for fan appeal.   That's besides a player for Hurts etc.

And no issue with your order of doing things... obviously the Eagles felt different and clearly love Dickerson while not so much on Asante Jr. Etc.     It is what it is.  Obviously you filled a need, they were about taking the specific player.   Which is why for that pick, I've been waiting years for that.  They always seem to pick a player for something other than " clearly the best on our board "   the last I heard that reason was 2015 3rd round... when Chip shocked everyone and took Hicks.   

Smith is a high character guy. Parsons has been mentioned as a thug. Can’t really see a new regime beginning with that kind of character. Really seems they made character and love of football high priorities in this draft.

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The RBs were terrible I gave them mediocre because of what Allen brings as a runner lol 

The whole 100 yards extra their RB had versus the Bills. I really appreciate you guys making my point for me.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Some failures have been based on us being Contenders. Giving away draft picks for Tate and Avery type moves. If you give away those picks and make the postseason your draft capital is limited.

No,the failure was to not get guys prepped to take over those positions. Theoretically the goal is to not have to take FA's.Of course we know this is fallacy,but that is still the goal