1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The bar low for Gannon he has to match Schwartz who didn’t have terrible Ds here and had just as little to work with could argue less last year.  Gannon going to get interviews though if he is successful 

D wasn’t good last year is the main comparison.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

D wasn’t good last year is the main comparison.

D wasn’t bad last year either and even better when you compare it to all the massive tos

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

D wasn’t bad last year either and even better when you compare it to all the massive tos

I disagree. Think the D was very disappointing. The Dline was invested in and got pressure. Think we’re ranked like third in the league in that area. But Maddox was a whipping boy. Slay got owned in those few crucial games also. Didn’t seem like the D ever created turnovers last season. Blaming the terrible offense is fair....to a point. But the D didn’t show up last year. That was Schwartz worst season here.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I disagree. Think the D was very disappointing. The Dline was invested in and got pressure. Think we’re ranked like third in the league in that area. But Maddox was a whipping boy. Slay got owned in those few crucial games also. Didn’t seem like the D ever created turnovers last season. Blaming the terrible offense is fair....to a point. But the D didn’t show up last year. That was Schwartz worst season here.

Schwartz scheme didn’t help CBs he left them on island alone. DL weren’t we what 3rd in sacks as you like to point out on top of top team in pressures... Think 18th in scoring and lot of that scoring came from teams starting in short fields 

And what it makes it more impressive is we talk about the short handed D all the time and he fielded an avg. unit that was likely closer to above avg. if not for the O. 
 

So to me Gannon has no excuses not to field at the very least an avg. unit even lacking players for that unit 

Siri has nowhere else he can go but up that how terrible our O was 

49 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I mean,they uses that strategy the last few years for their old coach. 

So it seems

48 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not how I see him playing it. Think he’s going to have two S over the top. Maybe slightly overcompensating to not give up the deep ball. Teams will expose our underbelly like clockwork. Until the D comes together. Gotta mesh that second level of defense. Slants, crossers and such will give us problems. When to trade off your responsibility...that kind of stuff will be targeted. 

Once again, the key to our defense is getting pressure on the QB. In your scenario either the CB's will be exposed(as most years) or now the LB's will be. In either case it still comes down to the pass rush

Colts added Fischer to play LT

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Once again, the key to our defense is getting pressure on the QB. In your scenario either the CB's will be exposed(as most years) or now the LB's will be. In either case it still comes down to the pass rush

We have a pass rush. That is still here from last season. Lost Curry and Malik. They didn’t move the needle last year anyway. But nothing says those Dline will be here much longer. Barnett and Sweat are in their final contract seasons. Graham looked like he took that step past his prime somewhere in the middle of last season. Is Hargrave a long term piece? Don’t feel we are set on that. Maybe. Fletch is a huge concern. Can we turn this thing around while he can still be a key cog? He might be one of our best trade assets. I expect to play with two high S a good amount. That limits the over the top deep ball. But opens up underneath. Give up short passing the rush can’t get there.

Tupolito to me seems like a short yardage goaline D specialist. Be nice to have that chess piece develop and materialize. Milton needs NFL training to bulk up. I see him as a potential early down DE that also could specialize in short yardage and goaline DE. But also the goal is to get him going inside. Run stopper at DE. Rusher at DT. That’s my thinking with him. Ideally.

So the way to early to call thinking is Milton could be a compliment to Sweat. Barnett maybe walks and keep Sweat. 2023 how many others along the Dline are still here? Sweat, Milton and Tuipolotu might be the only ones. Sweat is far from any kind of lock. I expect us to  be the team to come to before the trade deadline. An Oline and Dline are likely to be moved. All about adding to that youth. Getting next year’s draft capital loaded. Already is. But I expect more. Trading Brooks, Fletch, Graham is on the table. All good players but....if you want assets in return you can’t expect to get that from garbage. Got to give to get. Opening up cap is also a big goal. So these guys represent moving the needle in two key fronts for the future.

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We have a pass rush. That is still here from last season. Lost Curry and Malik. They didn’t move the needle last year anyway. But nothing says those Dline will be here much longer. Barnett and Sweat are in their final contract seasons. Graham looked like he took that step past his prime somewhere in the middle of last season. Is Hargrave a long term piece? Don’t feel we are set on that. Maybe. Fletch is a huge concern. Can we turn this thing around while he can still be a key cog? He might be one of our best trade assets. I expect to play with two high S a good amount. That limits the over the top deep ball. But opens up underneath. Give up short passing the rush can’t get there.

Seems correct. We are getting those hybrid LB's that are quick,not bulky,so apprently the D line will have to stop the run game without alot of help from the LB's if they fall into the mid field coverages

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Opening up cap is also a big goal

Not paying huge amounts to a QB helps alot in this area

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Seems correct. We are getting those hybrid LB's that are quick,not bulky,so apprently the D line will have to stop the run game without alot of help from the LB's if they fall into the mid field coverages

Schwartz tilted his D towards stopping the run soooo much. That’s what left the next levels so vulnerable against the pass. 

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Not paying huge amounts to a QB helps alot in this area

Not sure where we go with that part. Obviously still paying for Wentz this season. So still not yet free from that. But heck...we’ve been paying big money towards the backup QB the whole time. Chase Daniels on through. But I can’t say I’m not convinced we don’t make a move for Watson still. Or take a top QB pick next draft. We really could turn the corner on the rebuild so much faster without huge QB money or investment going forward.

If Hurts works out to be a good QB this team could really be back quick. Things got bleak. But if we have the QB room without the massive cap investment could be huge. If we can use next year’s draft ammo for other positions than QB that would be huge. Using all those assets for something other than paying and trading for Watson is an obvious benefit. It would be ideal. But is this thinking too optimistic? We’ll see.

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Seems correct. We are getting those hybrid LB's that are quick,not bulky,so apprently the D line will have to stop the run game without alot of help from the LB's if they fall into the mid field coverages

Seems like the NFL has become more specialist driven. Not like anybody ever thought a smaller S type can’t play on the second level. It’s been more about can they hold up for that through the coarse of a whole season. Then the main goal of be there when it’s all on the line at the end. But I’ve had the idea for years of maybe it’s the way to go. Go with numbers at S types. You get the interchangeable benefits. And you get the depth to be prepared for the injuries that you’d expect when playing undersized guys. Seems like the LBs are getting smaller in today’s game. Saw that coming. Feels like the game was changing right along with Trotter’s career. He was a great LB. but then as he was losing a step the game was evolving also. Made his aging more pronounced. Think we can look at Bellicheat to really see how to utilize specialist. He identifies what a guy can do. That’s his role. Try to get guys with varying toolboxes to be ready for every situation. Because that’s so key. Each week you have to adapt to your opponent. Some guys could be big in the gameplan one week and not the next. So specific on not generic now. You need that goaline DT. But you also need the pass rushing DT. Need that run stuffing LB...but also one that covers. Can he blitz? Only get 53 men. That’s the constraint. Need complimentary situational players. I’d love to have starters that can do it all at every position. But not realistic. We need more of those types. But can use guys that aren’t complete also. Helps if they can contribute in more than one specialist role though. 

Really felt like these hybrid S type should be a huge target. Been shunned historically. As not having a position. But a guy that can cover the slot/TE, play LB and cover the ground as deep S is huge. I’m greedy and will say be excellent blitzer also. Give me one stud LB and a situational backup run stuffer LB and a bunch of those S types and you got a sick defense in the making. Going to be hard for an offense to get reads on you. Gives you depth. Nickle and Dime are the core defense scheme now. Embrace it!

If I can stop, or at least contain, your rushing attack with my Nickle D that’s game changing. Dime or Heavy Nickle.

LB are getting smaller anyway. They can’t take Oline guys on head on. Aren’t going to beat them that way. Not really even going to look for them to be able to hold their ground with that. The idea has to be to read and get around those Oline. Beat them to the punch. In that case...a S type could be more effective. Just gotta be prepared for the effects of durability....countering it with depth of numbers.

Our situation is bad. But I look at the Texans and it makes me feel better. They are bad and arguably getting worse. They restructure bad contracts to make room for more retread vets. Gave away all their draft ammo when they should have been able to start the rebuild. They were as bad as us on the field but at least we had so many injuries. We also keep moving money towards the future on a bad team. Hate that. But we feel like we understand and are on the right path. They look like they are going down in a ball of fury. They took a legit team from just s few seasons ago and completely destroyed it. Sadly the destruction is still going on there. I mean they even took Mills with their first pick(third round). A developmental QB...wow. Gave up a huge hall to trade back up with the Panthers. Everybody just fleeces the Texans on every deal. It’s just that bad for them. They still have to tank after only winning four games...because they didn’t even get the rewards from that because they already traded it away.

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure where we go with that part. Obviously still paying for Wentz this season. So still not yet free from that. But heck...we’ve been paying big money towards the backup QB the whole time. Chase Daniels on through. But I can’t say I’m not convinced we don’t make a move for Watson still. Or take a top QB pick next draft. We really could turn the corner on the rebuild so much faster without huge QB money or investment going forward.

Watson would cost a boatload

40 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Watson would cost a boatload

After he gets out of jail? You have to admit it doesn't look good for him.

36 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

After he gets out of jail? You have to admit it doesn't look good for him.

Doesn’t look like he is going to jail seems more likely that a settlement will be reached. Not saying it’s the right thing but definitely looking like the outcome from everything I’ve seen and heard.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Watson would cost a boatload

But he is also the best possible solution. Wilson isn’t coming to Philly. ARod is too old.

He’ll only be allowed automated massages for a year. You know the stiff penalties