Just now, Asg 15 said:

We've been hearing that since the end of last season

Is it just another unfounded rumor?

Based on what the media has reported, it seems likely they will release Ertz after June 1. They get the $8.5 million in cap savings and Ertz gets treated fairly. Personally I would rather have the cap money than the player. Combined with the $4 million they will get from releasing Jackson and Jeffery, the team will have some breathing room to make some moves, whether it be signing a vet or extending players such as Goedert or Mailata.

One interesting case is Maddox, who has a $2 million salary cap hit this year, but almost all of it can be saved if he is cut. I don't see him making the team at that cap number, and I would much rather have the money.  

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

One interesting case is Maddox, who has a $2 million salary cap hit this year, but almost all of it can be saved if he is cut. I don't see him making the team at that cap number, and I would much rather have the money.  

Don’t think Maddox is going anywhere 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Don’t think Maddox is going anywhere 

Have to agree considering how much they ignored CB in the draft.

Not sure I’d be handing extensions out early this year we have cap next year might as well see how guys fit an play. 
 

Maialta stills huge ???? Not sure I see any benefit from him signing early might as well play the season out. Could be in line to make big money.

Geodart is a tough one Eagles could possibly pay him be a decently paid TE be cheaper then open market most likely but if he balls out as the starter could be in line for a huge payday. And if we pay him early and he doesn’t live up be a poor signing. 
 

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We need to put eggs in the draft capital. And need to open up cap space. The rookie isn’t the only option at G. I mean they took him with the second pick. Injury record is what it is. You wouldn’t draft him if you weren’t ever going to turn to him because of the injury past. That was a high second rounder at that. The guy gets a job. I agree about the injury history...but they drafted him at 37. That says they are going to turn to him without thinking he can’t hold up.

I was assuming he would sit a year,maybe do a few reps at G or even C in garbage time later in the season. JSB said Kelce had no plans to retire,but I think we need to move on now

Just a side note I know it seems impossible but always a reality that Dickerson beats out an interior OL for a starting job.

Semaulo is beatable 

Kielce won his job many years ago as a 6th round pick as a rookie over a proven starter 

Brooks was great but coming off another injury is he the same guy??? 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Personally I think it was a pretty big mistake to draft him. Certainly he has a lot of upside, but his injury history plus the fact that we really don't have a need on the interior of the line for at least two more years makes it another in a long line of head scratching decisions by this team.

As far as trading Brooks, his contract has some strange provisions that I think make it difficult. From what I can tell, he will likely be here at least two more seasons due to his restructure. And at that point, if Kelce retires and he's healthy there wouldn't be a reason to let him go as Dickerson could step in for Kelce.

Overall, not great work by the Eagles. I think there were a ton of better options in round 2. Richie Grant, Asante Samuel Jr., JOK, Moehrig, Barmore, Levi, Basham and Bolton all made more sense to me. But we will see. If Dickerson steps in at LG and makes the pro bowl, and Seumalo sits for a year because everyone else on the line stays healthy, that isn't the worst outcome in the world. 

Well I think we were both in on Samuel in 2,but that is history,we took Dickerson. I would like him to take some garbage snaps late in the season a G or C. Can't let the rust settle in too much. My thinking is he needs to start in 2022. Seems we always hang on to old guys a year too long(see JP) Need that youth injection all across the line,so if Kelce wants to keep playing,IDK that it would be here. Dickerson has a great teacher and Kelce has been threatening to retire for what 4-5 years now? lol. Now that we drafted one he is dead set on continuing to play? Why didn't he make that commitment 4 years ago?? Sounds like he's trying to play us. he set the stage with his constant threats to retire. now that we backed him up,his story changes. Sry,for me this is Kelces last season as an Eagle

51 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Like I’ve been saying. Kelce is unique. No doubts there. He was going year today year. But the guy loves this stuff. He’s a leader. No way he decided to come back this year thinking it’s his last. Just painful to go through. So you know he pretty well committed to at least two or three more seasons. If his body tells him no more...then things change. But mentally I believe that’s how he came to the decision.

And we'll play him when his body says no more mid season-no thank you

Seeing many reports Smith is "better than expected". Of course we aren't used to a top flight WR,so that may be overblown with the weak WR's we have fielded. But it's a good sign. Now we need Reagor to step it up. I was hoping they would say Reagor looks "better than expected" .Maybe having Smith will light his jock on fire, lord knows we need it. Will be interesting to see if Grimes makes the team. He is nowhere near the talent of Pitts,but he can be used all over like him. IMO Jjaw/Hightower are on the bubble. Fulgham probably sticks and Ward should also and I imagine we hang on to Quez. Should be interesting to see who we roster after the top 3. I can see Grimes taking Jjaws job(or roster spot). I was never a fan anyhow. Hard to know though because of the failing/flailing staff we had last season

20 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just a side note I know it seems impossible but always a reality that Dickerson beats out an interior OL for a starting job.

Semaulo is beatable 

Kielce won his job many years ago as a 6th round pick as a rookie over a proven starter 

Brooks was great but coming off another injury is he the same guy??? 

Same can be said about Lane.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Seeing many reports Smith is "better than expected". Of course we aren't used to a top flight WR,so that may be overblown with the weak WR's we have fielded. But it's a good sign. Now we need Reagor to step it up. I was hoping they would say Reagor looks "better than expected" .Maybe having Smith will light his jock on fire, lord knows we need it. Will be interesting to see if Grimes makes the team. He is nowhere near the talent of Pitts,but he can be used all over like him. IMO Jjaw/Hightower are on the bubble. Fulgham probably sticks and Ward should also and I imagine we hang on to Quez. Should be interesting to see who we roster after the top 3

You really didn't them to say he sucks and we made a huge mistake did you?

We'll see when the season begins.

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

You really didn't them to say he sucks and we made a huge mistake did you?

We'll see when the season begins.

If we make a mistake it's due to lack of coaching. This kids got talent. The only mistake will be if we ruin him

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

You'd think but Howie also seems intent on meeting a certain return price.  A trade may not happen until closer to the trade deadline.  

We can hope(don't take this wrong because I don't wish it on anyone) that a major TE gets hurt in camp that would be cause for a team to want Ertz. Someone in "win now" mode

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

I did mention those values were a result from trading him post June 1.  If they traded him BEFORE June 1 it would result in $22M in dead money to this year's cap which would be impossible (but that obviously doesn't make sense since we are only 2 weeks from June 1).  That also means that using a post June 1 designation on him would then push the rest of that dead money ($16M) to next year's cap which has already taken a substantial hit with all the moves Howie made to become cap compliant by the start of this league year.  I believe Brooks is here for 2021 (minimally).  

But does it save cap space.   

For example.   Trading Wentz saved like $900k of cap space.   There is dead money, but it's less than if they kept him.   What is the situation with Brooks?   Does trading him post June save cap space ... regardless of dead money.  That is the only issue.  If you trade a guy, get picks for him, and it gives you more cap space...then it makes sense. The dead money I'd irrelevant,  because it's already factored in and then the player is completely off the books. 

38 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just a side note I know it seems impossible but always a reality that Dickerson beats out an interior OL for a starting job. 

If Dickerson is healthy then I think he has to play. The justification for drafting him is that he was a top 15 player available in the second round. If that's the case, why would you keep him on the bench over Seumalo, who is a better than average but not great player?

Dickerson hurt his knee in December. The recovery time is 6 to 9 months. That puts him back on the field in August. There's no reason he shouldn't be playing this year, unless his knees are that great of a concern, which if that's the case, it makes even less sense to draft him. McLeod tore his ACL in December, and he expects to be ready around the start of the season. So there's no reason Dickerson shouldn't be ready as well.  

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Personally I think it was a pretty big mistake to draft him. Certainly he has a lot of upside, but his injury history plus the fact that we really don't have a need on the interior of the line for at least two more years makes it another in a long line of head scratching decisions by this team.

As far as trading Brooks, his contract has some strange provisions that I think make it difficult. From what I can tell, he will likely be here at least two more seasons due to his restructure. And at that point, if Kelce retires and he's healthy there wouldn't be a reason to let him go as Dickerson could step in for Kelce.

Overall, not great work by the Eagles. I think there were a ton of better options in round 2. Richie Grant, Asante Samuel Jr., JOK, Moehrig, Barmore, Levi, Basham and Bolton all made more sense to me. But we will see. If Dickerson steps in at LG and makes the pro bowl, and Seumalo sits for a year because everyone else on the line stays healthy, that isn't the worst outcome in the world. 

I think you are being very overly optimistic about the old guys on the OL.   Wouldn't surprise me if neither Kelce or Brooks ate here in 2022.  It would surprise me if both are here.   

There is a point where the band aid needs to be ripped off.  The other thing is that there was a need to get under the cap this year with some restructuring.  Really they had no choice.  With that said, they obviously could sacrifice some cap space next year for the necessity to get under this year.  All of Graham, Kelce and Brooks could be gone next year, getting some trade value and opening up a little cap space.   Worth the sacrifice because they had no choice but to use those guys to get under the cap now. 

In a normal year, you could say, " look at their contracts, they are here for multiple years"  because there wasn't the necessity of having to get under the cap.  But emergency moves had to be made this year that may appear to be multiple year moves, but aren't necessarily! 

45 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If we make a mistake it's due to lack of coaching. This kids got talent. The only mistake will be if we ruin him

And that's never happened before, has it?

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

Same can be said about Lane.

Lane is a T but yea concern with him and how the ankle that has bothered him for 2 years now will be. Would be huge for Miata and Dillard both to show out in camp just to have some insurance with Lane 

47 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

If Dickerson is healthy then I think he has to play. The justification for drafting him is that he was a top 15 player available in the second round. If that's the case, why would you keep him on the bench over Seumalo, who is a better than average but not great player?

I don’t think there has to be that rush get him healthy and let him compete that’s it. I’d love for him to start 21 take a job but we have some pretty good players along our OL. My guess though would be Dickerson healthy player well through camp we see Brooks dealt and he starts at RG. If he doesn’t and isn’t ready he is the top interior backup for a year. 

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think you are being very overly optimistic about the old guys on the OL.   Wouldn't surprise me if neither Kelce or Brooks ate here in 2022.  It would surprise me if both are here.   

There is a point where the band aid needs to be ripped off.  The other thing is that there was a need to get under the cap this year with some restructuring.  Really they had no choice.  With that said, they obviously could sacrifice some cap space next year for the necessity to get under this year.  All of Graham, Kelce and Brooks could be gone next year, getting some trade value and opening up a little cap space.   Worth the sacrifice because they had no choice but to use those guys to get under the cap now. 

In a normal year, you could say, " look at their contracts, they are here for multiple years"  because there wasn't the necessity of having to get under the cap.  But emergency moves had to be made this year that may appear to be multiple year moves, but aren't necessarily! 

I don't see us trading Kelce or Graham, and both guys seem committed to playing two (Kelce) or three (Graham) more years. Brooks is a little bit different. There were rumors he was on the trade block and if someone offered a decent pick, I could see him being moved, especially with Dickerson now on the team. But last year was the only time in his career that he missed a significant portion of the season, and he isn't really that old. If he recovers and plays at the same level, his contract isn't that bad.

I can see the validity of the "we are going to be really bad this year so why pay anyone who won't be here in a few years by the time we are good again" argument, but as the board's eternal optimist, I can see a path to success with the current group of players. So it makes sense to me to keep vets who are still playing at a high level.

38 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

And that's never happened before, has it?

All the time,it's just noone has ever said someone was better than expected at WR

17 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't see us trading Kelce or Graham, and both guys seem committed to playing two (Kelce) or three (Graham) more years. Brooks is a little bit different. There were rumors he was on the trade block and if someone offered a decent pick, I could see him being moved, especially with Dickerson now on the team. But last year was the only time in his career that he missed a significant portion of the season, and he isn't really that old. If he recovers and plays at the same level, his contract isn't that bad.

I can see the validity of the "we are going to be really bad this year so why pay anyone who won't be here in a few years by the time we are good again" argument, but as the board's eternal optimist, I can see a path to success with the current group of players. So it makes sense to me to keep vets who are still playing at a high level.

Welp if we drafted Dickerson to be a C, I can't see him going in as a starting G and risking injury before he is actually ready. Would rather piece meal him in after the bye week at G a few plays and maybe at C in garbage time to get his feet wet. We're not contending this year,why risk it? A few plays to keep the rust off is all I want to see. Increasing possibly as the year wears on. The BIG re-build will be next year. Let's keep these young guys healthy,let them learn behind their appointed mentors. There is no rush this year,so give them snap counts and experience so they are ready to roll next year. If he seems ahead of schedule before the bye,then let him play a few snaps here and there,but I want to avoid getting him hurt since there is no need to do it 

See we always say 'we need to get younger" so now we got the young guys and will add alot of nice ones next year, so let the old guys finish off their careers, then we will have a solid young team with upside. That was what we all wanted. Some are "middle aged"(in football terms) we can keep those,but really I want to look ahead to 2023 and at least be a respectable solid 9 win team in 2022

Not being biased,but I will be watching the NC games with my focus on Howell who could be in play next draft regardless of what Hurts does

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lane is a T but yea concern with him and how the ankle that has bothered him for 2 years now will be. Would be huge for Miata and Dillard both to show out in camp just to have some insurance with Lane 

Let’s not forget Driscoll. He really showed well last season.