5 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

IF i was gonna make a trade he'd be the one.  If it was for a 3rd i wouldn't want to be  to a contender which would make it a low 3rd.

Of course, I have no clue as to the ramifications for dead money and such. So someone would have to educate us if it even makes sense. Anyway, Just a thought. I would hate to trade Mailata as he has such a huge upside. Cannot trade Johnson as his contract was just redone I think so dead money would be an issue....

20 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I like the Eagles approach to this offseason. They have filled some holes with limited resources, and seem to be focused on guys who fit the system and who have skill sets that weren't already in the building.

I imagine that they will evaluate what they have at corner the next few weeks and then make a decision in June once they have that info and have the additional cap space to make a move. The one thing I would note is that a system they are likely to run puts a lot of stress on linebackers, safeties and the defensive line, so it makes sense to focus on those areas instead of corner. There may be some concerns about throwing McPhearson or someone else into the deep end, but I expect the coaches to be able to reasonably judge how ready someone is to play after watching them in practice. This is an area that Schwartz really struggled in, and I am hoping the new staff is better at it.

Or we throw them in anyway and jump start that learning curve.

To me James is the guy. Get a hard look at TC this year and try and figure out what others you want to develop. I assume McPherson is a lock for that.

2 hours ago, stine said:

Anyone think we may trade a tackle now? We seem to have many to spare. At least until some get injured......

Don’t think there is any rush at the moment let guys battle in camp/preseason then decide. But we could look to move a T depending 

Honestly looking at Indy would not shock me if Maddox is the starter again outside not the same scheme as Schwartz. Maddox would seem a way better fit in a zone scheme where he can read and react. 
 

Real question could be who is Cb #3 could dictate what Maddox does in nickel sets. If Scott can take over the slot Maddox could stay outside or if a guy like Mcpheason is #3 Maddox could move to the slot while Mcphearson goes outside. 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Honestly looking at Indy would not shock me if Maddox is the starter again outside not the same scheme as Schwartz. Maddox would seem a way better fit in a zone scheme where he can read and react. 
 

Real question could be who is Cb #3 could dictate what Maddox does in nickel sets. If Scott can take over the slot Maddox could stay outside or if a guy like Mcpheason is #3 Maddox could move to the slot while Mcphearson goes outside. 

It will be interesting to see if they roll with what they have or sign a vet. I agree that Maddox would be better in a zone scheme, but he will still have limitations on the outside.

A sleeper to me is Elijah Riley. He is a bigger corner who was playing the slot under Schwartz, but who played outside in college. I think he could be in the mix since he has a little more size to deal with bigger receivers. And in a zone scheme his lack of top end speed won't be as big of a problem.   

  

27 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

will be interesting to see if they roll with what they have or sign a vet.

Don’t see the point in us signing a vet. Think we should ride with who we got figured out what we have in the young guys. This year to me is figuring out what we have on this team. 
 

Did we fix WR? Do we have a QB? LT? CBs? DL? Etc. 

On DL note was reading an article that stated our rookie DT Milton was at camp at 291 and could definitely still add more if needed

I just want guys to take the next step this year.

Want Sweat and Geodart to show they belong as starters and we can keep them 

Want someone at LT to step up Mailata/Dillard(nothing against Mailata but hoping it’s Dillard) . Truly hoping Dickerson stays healthy and we can move on from Brooks as well. Get younger and cheaper on the OL. 
 

QB just know for sure no doubt either Hurts is the guy or we 100% need a guy don’t want any middle ground. 
 

WR- Reagor to take massive stride Smith to just come in dominating lol. 
 

We have so many young guys on this team and they have talent just want us to finally get it out of them. 

12 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

QB just know for sure no doubt either Hurts is the guy or we 100% need a guy don’t want any middle ground. 

As far as Jalen Hurts, here are the stats I am keeping an eye on - yards per attempt, turnovers and touchdowns.

Last year, Hurts averaged 7.2 yards per attempt over roughly 4 games (he played 29 percent of the team's snaps.)

If he qualified for the league standard, he would have tied for 20th among all qbs, with Jared Goff and Cam Newton. Herbert was the only rookie to finish higher than him, and he was 7.3. So even though Hurts had a much lower completion percentage than other qbs by a wide margin, his efficiency was fine.

Hurts had nine touchdowns (six passing, three rushing), which projects to 36 over a total season. That is perfectly acceptable. Murray had 37. Goff had 24 and Bridgewater had 20, which is why they were cut loose.

So far so good. The bad is the turnovers. He had six in the equivalent of four games, which translates to 24 turnovers. That is what really worries me. If he can average 7.2 yards per attempt, score 36 total TDs and turn the ball over no more than 15 times, we have a qb. But if he can't solve the turnovers, we don't. 

 

• Hurts ranked 40th out of 42 quarterbacks graded by PFF.
• Hurts ranked 31st out of 37 quarterbacks in Football Outsiders’ DVOA metric.
• Among qualified quarterbacks, Drew Lock led the NFL in bad throws (22.9%) and ranked last in on target throws (68.9%) last year. Hurts was significantly worse in those categories (26.7% and 60.7%).
• Hurts completed just 52% of his attempts. For perspective on how low that number is, Drew Lock ranked last out of 35 qualified quarterbacks with a 57.3% completion percentage.
• Hurts completed just 48.8% of his attempts on non-play action plays. (Interestingly, he had the NFL’s biggest completion percentage difference between play action and not with a 66.7% completion on the former.)
• Hurts’ 7.2 yards per attempt was only tied for the 20th best mark.
• Hurts’ 77.6 passer rating ranked only above Lock, Dwayne Haskins, Carson Wentz, and Sam Darnold.
• Only six players fumbled more than Hurts last year despite the fact he played just 334 snaps (29.6%).
• Hurts took the longest average time to throw at 3.39 seconds. Lamar Jackson was the second-longest at 3.17 seconds. With Hurts failing to get the ball out quick, PFF charted him for the second-highest percentage of pressures generated by defense charged to quarterbacks. This is to say he invited too much pressure.

I posted it before but plenty to be concerned with in regards to Hurts. Question become does he answer and correct those concerns now. Wait and see game

Getting rid of the ball faster, accuracy, turnovers. These are the big 3 that he needs to correct. 
Accuracy might be the biggest thing especially in the O Siri is looking to run where ball placement and accuracy are key. 

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I posted it before but plenty to be concerned with in regards to Hurts. Question become does he answer and correct those concerns now. Wait and see game

Obviously anyone can be concerned about anything they want. But if he protects the ball, scores points and throws the ball efficiently, he's fine. Every top qb does those things well, and every bad one fails in one of those areas.

He already scores enough points and throws the ball efficiently. His issue is ball security. If he improves that and the other two areas stay the same, we have a qb. 

14 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Getting rid of the ball faster, accuracy, turnovers. These are the big 3 that he needs to correct. 
Accuracy might be the biggest thing especially in the O Siri is looking to run where ball placement and accuracy are key. 

  Not having a TC did not help. Someone posted on here he was playing with an injured thumb? If so, that could have been part of the problem also. Anyway, This year he will have had a full TC and he appears healthy. So if the coaching is adequate, he should be able to give us a decent indication if he can handle the role we expect him to. What we may not know is just how good/bad he is after one season. Middle of the road will muddy the waters. Do we let things ride in this case, or do we grab that elite QB as we have the ammo to do so.....

 

 

5 minutes ago, stine said:

Not having a TC did not help. Someone posted on here he was playing with an injured thumb?

The thumb possibly... TC is a reach for me not like he played week 1 he was at practice all year long until the Saints game working. 

11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Obviously anyone can be concerned about anything they want. But if he protects the ball, scores points and throws the ball efficiently, he's fine. Every top qb does those things well, and every bad one fails in one of those areas.

He already scores enough points and throws the ball efficiently. His issue is ball security. If he improves that and the other two areas stay the same, we have a qb. 

And I am lmao listed the big 3 concerns i have with Hurts. Turnovers, accuracy and processing getting rid of the ball.  Hurts has a ton that needs to be improved on can he do it. Don’t know but we will find out 

Just read DK Metcalf ran a 10.37 for the 100 meters in the USA track n field try outs. finished 15th out of 17 in the event. Pretty dam fast for his size!!

17 minutes ago, stine said:

What we may not know is just how good/bad he is after one season. Middle of the road will muddy the waters. Do we let things ride in this case, or do we grab that elite QB as we have the ammo to do so.....

 

This to me would literally be the worst case scenario for us. 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I just want guys to take the next step this year.

Want Sweat and Geodart to show they belong as starters and we can keep them 

Want someone at LT to step up Mailata/Dillard(nothing against Mailata but hoping it’s Dillard) . Truly hoping Dickerson stays healthy and we can move on from Brooks as well. Get younger and cheaper on the OL. 
 

QB just know for sure no doubt either Hurts is the guy or we 100% need a guy don’t want any middle ground. 
 

WR- Reagor to take massive stride Smith to just come in dominating lol. 
 

We have so many young guys on this team and they have talent just want us to finally get it out of them. 

Why do you hope it's Dillard?

What has he shown that says he has more upside than Mailata?

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Why do you hope it's Dillard?

What has he shown that says he has more upside than Mailata?

Why Dillard purely contract related. Dillard is going into year 3 still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. 
 

Mailata we have to make a decision on and look what Big V made as a FA. If Maialta plays great paying him top T money is an after thought but what if he is somewhere around last year up and down is he worth that 10+ mil a year becomes a tougher call. 
 

Also don’t think Dillard has really had a chance to play to make a judgement on him played fine at LT as a rookie. Got hurt in camp year 2. 

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Also don’t think Dillard has really had a chance to play to make a judgement on him played fine at LT as a rookie. Got hurt in camp year 2. 

I agree with this. People are writing Dillard off and I'm not sure why. He played well at LT in his rookie year and then got hurt in TC last year. 

6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Why Dillard purely contract related. Dillard is going into year 3 still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. 
 

Mailata we have to make a decision on and look what Big V made as a FA. 
 

Also don’t think Dillard has really had a chance to play to make a judgement on him played fine at LT as a rookie. Got hurt in camp year 2. 

If mailate is the guy he's gonna get paid. Same with Dillard. But if Dillard doesn't cut it and you let Mailata go just because a year of his rookie contract is in play you screw yourself in the long run.

Who ever wins the job in TC, so be it. I don't wanna hand the job to Dillard just because he has more time left on a rookie contract and especially just because he was a 1st round pick.

To also be completely fair I also think we need to trade Dillard if he loses the LT battle to Mailata. I can’t see us keeping a backup OL that strictly a LT. 
 

With driscoll being able to swing T, Clark now and Dickerson/Herbig for the interior. 

8 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

If mailate is the guy he's gonna get paid. Same with Dillard. But if Dillard doesn't cut it and you let Mailata go just because a year of his rookie contract is in play you screw yourself in the long run.

Who ever wins the job in TC, so be it. I don't wanna hand the job to Dillard just because he has more time left on a rookie contract and especially just because he was a 1st round pick.

At what point did I say hand the job to Dillard???? I said I hope Dillard wins it yes pure greed but I don’t want him to be given the job. 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

As far as Jalen Hurts, here are the stats I am keeping an eye on - yards per attempt, turnovers and touchdowns.

Last year, Hurts averaged 7.2 yards per attempt over roughly 4 games (he played 29 percent of the team's snaps.)

If he qualified for the league standard, he would have tied for 20th among all qbs, with Jared Goff and Cam Newton. Herbert was the only rookie to finish higher than him, and he was 7.3. So even though Hurts had a much lower completion percentage than other qbs by a wide margin, his efficiency was fine.

Hurts had nine touchdowns (six passing, three rushing), which projects to 36 over a total season. That is perfectly acceptable. Murray had 37. Goff had 24 and Bridgewater had 20, which is why they were cut loose.

So far so good. The bad is the turnovers. He had six in the equivalent of four games, which translates to 24 turnovers. That is what really worries me. If he can average 7.2 yards per attempt, score 36 total TDs and turn the ball over no more than 15 times, we have a qb. But if he can't solve the turnovers, we don't. 

 

Let's cut Hurts stats in half.    What ate they in the first half.... and what are they in the 2nd half?

To me I want to see him be able to produce without the need to run,after the defense sees him run, and do it at then end of the game.   Show me a little arm strength that he can run left and throw.    

The overall stats can be spun however you like... bottom line he needs to produce and win at the end of games and show he has an NFL arm to make tough throws. I'm not interested in his fantasy stats, just make plays when defenses take away the easy running plays and do something at the end of the games. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

To me I want to see him be able to produce without the need to run,after the defense sees him run, and do it at then end of the game.   Show me a little arm strength that he can run left and throw.    

A full off season where he can really learn the play book as the starter should help him. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Let's cut Hurts stats in half.    What ate they in the first half.... and what are they in the 2nd half?

Do I care? Is it relevant? 

To me I want to see him be able to produce without the need to run

He's a good runner. Why would you take that aspect of the game away from him?

,after the defense sees him run,

Obviously we will have a season's worth of stats to see how he does after this year.

and do it at then end of the game.

So if he scores 35 TDs, but only 10 of them are in the second half, he's a failure? Why?

Show me a little arm strength

Led the league in average yards per completion.

that he can run left and throw.

Who cares if he can do this?      

The overall stats can be spun however you like... bottom line he needs to produce and win at the end of games and show he has an NFL arm to make tough throws. I'm not interested in his fantasy stats, just make plays when defenses take away the easy running plays and do something at the end of the games.

It's not spin. It's a demarcation between what makes a good and bad qb. Efficiency, protecting the ball and scoring. If he is good at those things, and the team doesn't win, it's not on him. Is Watson bad because he didn't score enough at the end of the game? Herbert?  Burrow?