30 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

OL- younger Brooks/Lane/Kelce over them now for sure... Semaulo= to Wiz... JP>Mailata=Big V  

The oline will be interesting. Jason Peters got injured when he was 30 years old in 2012, and then came back and arguably had four better seasons in row after that than he did before his injury. (PFF ratings are always suspect, but his highest graded season was 2013).

Lane was 30 last year and Brooks was 31. Obviously Peters could be an outlier, but there is no reason to think they can't be just as good as they were a few years ago. Olinemen don't seem to have the same dropoff as other positions, with the obvious caveat that they have to be healthy.

Vaitai was pretty average in 2017, so either Mailata or Dillard should be a pretty significant upgrade. 

Our pff grades in 2017 - Vaitai 56, Wiz 70, Kelce 94, Brooks 85, Lane 74.

Kelce had a 70 grade last year, but obviously playing with a revolving cast hurt his grade. Mailata had a 70 grade, and I expect him to be better, or Dillard to improve on that. Seumalo had a 70 grade in 2019, and dropped last year to 56, but I expect a bounceback. Lane got better after 2017, going from 74 to 88 in 2019, and even though injured, still scored a 72 last year. Brooks had a 92 grade in 2019.

So if Seumalo, Kelce, Lane and Brooks can duplicate their 2019 seasons, our line might look like this.

Mailata 80, Seumlao 70, Kelce, 81, Brooks 92, Lane 88.

Obviously these are all projections, but our oline could be really good.

30 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Obviously these are all projections, but our oline could be really good.

I think the OL will still be good but Lane coming back from injury, Brooks coming back from injury, Kelce another year older... just stating would be hard to pass on the younger versions of these starters of 2017. 
 

Will say that our depth seems vastly superior though now vs 17. Just not sure the starting 5 are as good as the 2017 starting 5 

Though will say not a fan of PFF when it comes to the Ol generally stills believer of good Ol fashion eye test and our Ol was not good last year 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Though will say not a fan of PFF when it comes to the Ol generally stills believer of good Ol fashion eye test and our Ol was not good last year 

100%.  PFF with their grading system... 1, 0 or -1 on each play.  If you have an easy assignment ... if 4 guys do the job and the other guys let's his man get by him ASAP.   A lot of suspect material as far as PFF grades.    The OL play in 2017, physical dominance,  blocking on multiple levels.... eye test it was excellent.  

I do think this year the OL play will be good. The big thing they are starting ( as of this moment) 100% healthy ( all 5 guys, as compared 60% last year with 2 starters out from the start. )  The backups are now experienced backups... not 3rd, 4th , 5th and 6th stringers. 

Points is all that matters.    125-118

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Points is all that matters.    125-118

That's #1 to me! PF/PA

Also learned not to get my hopes high just cause it looks good on paper. 

So am I the only one that sees this team as a 3-14 team with Hurts leading the charge? I am not eager for this season....for the first time in a long time. It could be ugly and not even competitive many Sundays.

1 hour ago, Senhorcook said:

So am I the only one that sees this team as a 3-14 team with Hurts leading the charge? I am not eager for this season....for the first time in a long time. It could be ugly and not even competitive many Sundays.

I guess so, I'm looking at 6. If the O line stays healthy, we can't be worse than last year 6-11 sounds right. 7 wins would be a "win" for me

9 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

So am I the only one that sees this team as a 3-14 team with Hurts leading the charge? I am not eager for this season....for the first time in a long time. It could be ugly and not even competitive many Sundays.

YOu're not the only one

9 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

So am I the only one that sees this team as a 3-14 team with Hurts leading the charge? I am not eager for this season....for the first time in a long time. It could be ugly and not even competitive many Sundays.

This wouldn't be a bad outcome. Picking top 3 in 2022 with a clear answer at qb.

It is possible? I think if the secondary is bad (which is possible), Hurts is bad (which is possible) the oline is bad (which is possible), the receivers are bad (which is possible) and Goedert misses 10 games (which is possible) than we are a 3 win team. But that's not a bad outcome.

To me a bad outcome is 7 wins. Hurts is okay. 3,500 total yards, 25 touchdowns, 20 turnovers. The oline plays okay. Lane and Brooks get hurt, Herbig and Driscoll play well enough for us to win a few games. The defense is okay. We struggle in the secondary but the dline is good enough. Our wrs do okay. Smith gets 500 yards. Reagor gets 400. No one beats out Ward and he leads the team with 600. Goedert misses six games. We are picking 14th, and have to use all our first rounders on a qb.

I think scenario two is way more likely, and a much worse outcome.

     

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/consensus-big-board-2022?pos=ALL   According to this WAY early '22 mock we pick 6th and they have us taking a QB. If we are at 6 (AGAIN) easily within striking distance of QB's 1,2,3 . Of course this is mere conjecture,but even at pick 12-14 we could still improve the QB position. Staying put and taking the QB from USC wouldn't be a disaster either. I also like QB 4 Ridder from Cincy in another trade back scenario

On his podcast, Geoff Mosher said that two guys who stood out in rookie mini camp were Gainwell and Stoll.

Stoll would be a great find if he can be a solid backup, as TE2 is a pretty big hole. Gainwell should be good, since he was ahead of Gibson in college, who is a RB1. Plus, he should be a perfect fit in this offense due to his receiving skills and ability to pass protect.

One of a million roster projections we will see between now and September.

Projecting Eagles’ 53-man roster following flurry of moves: How will cornerback shake out? Light on tight ends? - nj.com

On offense, he has - Hurts, Flacco, Newman, Sanders, Gainwell, Johnson, Scott, Goedert, Wilson, Reagor, Smith, Fulgham, Ward, Watkins, Grimes and Opeta as the 10th lineman.

He is high on Grimes, which is plausible if he shows a lot during camp. Wilson seems unlikely. He is a move TE, and that position can be played by Grimes or JJAW. I think the TE2 battle is between Stoll and Croom. Newman will have to pay really well to make the roster. otherwise I think he is safe on the PS. I wouldn't keep a fourth RB. Scott is okay, but we drafted Gainwell who does everything he does. I would save the QB3 and RB4 spots for the defense. He has Craven starting on PUP, which seems correct. Dickerson can't since he already took part in practices.

Defense - Dline is the usual suspects, with 10 guys making it, including Ridgeway, Jackson and Marlon. At LB, the obvious top five guys plus Stevens with Johnson, Avery and Ostman cut. He has nine DBs - Harris, Wallace, Epps and Arnold at safety, Slay, Maddox, Scott, McPhearson and James at corner. McLeod is on PUP.

As noted, I would save two spots on the offense and keep Johnson and Avery in the SAM roles on defense. I think Riley, Arnold and Jacquet are battling for a spot. I like Riley, but the bottom of the roster battles are pretty inconsequential.

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

As noted, I would save two spots on the offense and keep Johnson and Avery in the SAM roles on defense. I think Riley, Arnold and Jacquet are battling for a spot. I like Riley, but the bottom of the roster battles are pretty inconsequential.

LB is going to be interesting... Still think Kerrigan gets snaps there just makes sense he would have the most experience as a stand up rush Lb if that is the goal of that position.

Do think Avery makes the team as well.
 

Stevens is interesting wonder if they would keep him as a extra Lb/S he is likely going to just be a STer early on 

Looking at the roster breakdown also can’t say I’d be all for 20 linemen.

Think 9 OL and 9DL is plenty not sure we need 5 DTs Ridgeway could be on his way out or the one room DT maybe goes PS or mystery IR injury. 
 

Opeta just seems like a wasted spot we have two interior OL that can play all 3 spots in Dickerson/Herbig. Driscoll can play inside at G as well. 

On ‎5‎/‎23‎/‎2021 at 9:12 AM, jsb235 said:

When I look at this offense compared to 2017, I think there is a lot to get excited about.

RB - Sanders, Johnson, Gainwell, Scott (Ajayi, Blount, Smallwood, Clement)

TE Goedert (Ertz, Celek, Burton)

WR Smith, Reagor, Fulgham (Jeffery, Algholor, Smith)

Oline Mailata, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Lane (Vaitai, Wiz, Kelce, Brooks, Lane)

Talent wise, they are close. A lot of ifs this year, but if the wrs play to their potential and we have some luck on the injury front (which I admit would be a miracle) I don't think we are in bad shape. To me, it will all come down to Hurts.. If he is good, the offense will be good. If he's not, we have a bunch of #1 picks to get a guy. But the foundation appears to be there. And the good thing is only three guys are over 30, and their replacements (Dickerson, Driscoll, Dillard and Herbig) are already on the roster.

Yes, but the huge ?? Is Hurts. Wentz had a MVP like year. Do you really think Hurts will duplicate that? The O-Line - Brooks, Kelce and Lane are all 4 years older. Goedert is not as good as Ertz.

14 minutes ago, stine said:

Goedert is not as good as Ertz.

I think Geodart is gonna be better to be honest. Think he is superior blocker and just as good a receiving threat with way more YAC potential. But never really has had the chance to shine in this area because he is the only Te that can block. 

13 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think Geodart is gonna be better to be honest. Think he is superior blocker and just as good a receiving threat with way more YAC potential. But never really has had the chance to shine in this area because he is the only Te that can block. 

He may well end up being a better TE. But I was talking about right now. He has not shown better than Ertz of 2017....  That was JSB's comparison which I replied to...

26 minutes ago, stine said:

But I was talking about right now. He has not shown better than Ertz of 2017....  That was JSB's comparison which I replied to...

I mean if we are going with Ertz heading into 2017 vs Geodart now I’d say they are about on par with each other. And Ertz was the starter and only a receiving threat heading into that year vs Geodart who has similar numbers blocks more and was the backup. 
 

We know what Ertz become damn good TE but definitely took him time wasn’t some world beating TE back in 2017 

Really can’t with Eagles fans calling for Julio lol... Not happening and shouldn’t happen don’t have the cap and no way Julio wants to come to Philly he is going to want to be traded to a contender and I’d image ATL will respect those wishes.

My guesses would be AZ, Tennessee or possibly GB attempt to make Rodgers happier. 

15 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

So am I the only one that sees this team as a 3-14 team with Hurts leading the charge? I am not eager for this season....for the first time in a long time. It could be ugly and not even competitive many Sundays.

You mean like last year?  

5 hours ago, jsb235 said:

This wouldn't be a bad outcome. Picking top 3 in 2022 with a clear answer at qb.

It is possible? I think if the secondary is bad (which is possible), Hurts is bad (which is possible) the oline is bad (which is possible), the receivers are bad (which is possible) and Goedert misses 10 games (which is possible) than we are a 3 win team. But that's not a bad outcome.

To me a bad outcome is 7 wins. Hurts is okay. 3,500 total yards, 25 touchdowns, 20 turnovers. The oline plays okay. Lane and Brooks get hurt, Herbig and Driscoll play well enough for us to win a few games. The defense is okay. We struggle in the secondary but the dline is good enough. Our wrs do okay. Smith gets 500 yards. Reagor gets 400. No one beats out Ward and he leads the team with 600. Goedert misses six games. We are picking 14th, and have to use all our first rounders on a qb.

I think scenario two is way more likely, and a much worse outcome.

     

Or scenario 2... but don't use the resources on a QB?     Perhaps they figure out the QB from last year wasn't the problem... and so they realize they need to build up the rest of the team instead of using all the resources to get a QB and still have the poor surrounding cast?

Instead,  the full movement to the youth in 2022, and give Hurts another year to get some " tangibles" to match the phenomenal intangibles.   If he isn't the guy, then you just added more pieces for the next guy, but going youth in 2022, should still lead to a decent draft position if we desire QB. 

In fact with the mindset of this town.  I would almost prefer to get a QB that's a little further down the draft totem pole.   Luke Mahomes, Watson,Herbert were in their drafts.   The mindset of the fanbase .... looking for a savior if we invest a lot of assets... that's dangerous.   We should expect a QB, not a savior.  Everyone else still needs to do their jobs, the whole savior mentality is stupid.  Unfortunately if we trade up all the assets,  the next guy is set up to fail as well. 

Lol... Luke Mahomes..  I meant " like Mahomes"   lol

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean if we are going with Ertz heading into 2017 vs Geodart now I’d say they are about on par with each other. And Ertz was the starter and only a receiving threat heading into that year vs Geodart who has similar numbers blocks more and was the backup. 
 

We know what Ertz become damn good TE but definitely took him time wasn’t some world beating TE back in 2017 

  We are comparing Ertz 2017 Stats with Goedert now. Ertz had over 70 receptions, over 800 yards and 8 TD's. Goedert has yet to hit any of those numbers. I hope he exceeds them! He is a better blocker, but to choose between them I would take Ertz of 2017 only because I still do not know what Dallas can do

Even 2016 Stats he had over 70 receptions and 800 yards