1 hour ago, stine said:

Yes, but the huge ?? Is Hurts. Wentz had a MVP like year. Do you really think Hurts will duplicate that? The O-Line - Brooks, Kelce and Lane are all 4 years older. Goedert is not as good as Ertz.

Wentz generated 3,600 yards and had 33 touchdowns in 13 games in 2017. Over a full season that's 4,400 yards and 40 TDs. But, he was also 25. Hurts will be 23 this year. As a 22 yard old, he generated 1,400 yards and 9 TDs in 30 percent of the snaps, which projects to 4,600 yards and 30 TDs. I think that would be a decent stat line for Hurts, with less than 12 turnovers.

I think a better comparison is Dak. At 23, Dak generated 3,900 yards and 29 touchdowns. I think our team going into the year is very similar to the Cowboys offense of 2016, so there's no reason he can't put up those numbers.

Personally, I think Hurts will always be a mediocre passer who can run the ball really well. If that's not your cup of tea, I get it. But he's built like a running back, so he should be able to play at a reasonably high level for around eight years, and once the legs start to go, he will no longer be anything special. But for those eight years I think he will generate enough offense to get the job done. 4,500 yards, over 30 touchdowns and under 15 turnovers. That's the numbers that are key for me.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Looking at the roster breakdown also can’t say I’d be all for 20 linemen.

Think 9 OL and 9DL is plenty not sure we need 5 DTs Ridgeway could be on his way out or the one room DT maybe goes PS or mystery IR injury. 
 

Opeta just seems like a wasted spot we have two interior OL that can play all 3 spots in Dickerson/Herbig. Driscoll can play inside at G as well. 

I agree on Ridgeway. I like Opeta, and I have a soft spot for bottom of the roster guys like him, but I would rather see them keep someone like Jacquet than him, as CB is a much bigger area of need and Jacquet has more athletic upside. 

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Wentz generated 3,600 yards and had 33 touchdowns in 13 games in 2017. Over a full season that's 4,400 yards and 40 TDs. But, he was also 25. Hurts will be 23 this year. As a 22 yard old, he generated 1,400 yards and 9 TDs in 30 percent of the snaps, which projects to 4,600 yards and 30 TDs. I think that would be a decent stat line for Hurts, with less than 12 turnovers.

I think a better comparison is Dak. At 23, Dak generated 3,900 yards and 29 touchdowns. I think our team going into the year is very similar to the Cowboys offense of 2016, so there's no reason he can't put up those numbers.

Personally, I think Hurts will always be a mediocre passer who can run the ball really well. If that's not your cup of tea, I get it. But he's built like a running back, so he should be able to play at a reasonably high level for around eight years, and once the legs start to go, he will no longer be anything special. But for those eight years I think he will generate enough offense to get the job done. 4,500 yards, over 30 touchdowns and under 15 turnovers. That's the numbers that are key for me.

Can he generate points?  That is more important.   Look at the points generated by the 25 year old Wentz.    Points that lead to wins.    The rest is window dressing. 

10 minutes ago, stine said:

  We are comparing Ertz 2017 Stats with Goedert now. Ertz had over 70 receptions, over 800 yards and 8 TD's. Goedert has yet to hit any of those numbers. I hope he exceeds them! He is a better blocker, but to choose between them I would take Ertz of 2017 only because I still do not know what Dallas can do

Are we comparing just stats?  Or if the player is better.  Ertz and Goedert are different styles.   Ertz is basically a possession receiver.  Good routes and good hands. Excellent complimentary piece in the middle of the guys the defense was actually worried about. 

Goedert blocks to help the run game.  He gets yards after the catch.   He is basically Celek and Burton put together.   He doesn't need the volume of catches to impact the game like Ertz does.     The TE unit in 2017 was awesome. They complimented each other, nobody had to play too many snaps.  Goedert may be better, but he will have to do more by himself. 

I think with a QB like Hurts, Goedert is a better fit than Ertz.   

15 minutes ago, stine said:

  We are comparing Ertz 2017 Stats with Goedert now. Ertz had over 70 receptions, over 800 yards and 8 TD's. Goedert has yet to hit any of those numbers. I hope he exceeds them! He is a better blocker, but to choose between them I would take Ertz of 2017 only because I still do not know what Dallas can do

Don't forget in 2017 he had a QB who was playing at an MVP level throwing him the ball.

Oh, i forgot, i'm not supposed to mention that here

19 minutes ago, stine said:

  We are comparing Ertz 2017 Stats with Goedert now. Ertz had over 70 receptions, over 800 yards and 8 TD's. Goedert has yet to hit any of those numbers. I hope he exceeds them! He is a better blocker, but to choose between them I would take Ertz of 2017 only because I still do not know what Dallas can do

2016 78 catches 800 yards 4 tds as a starter that also rarely blocked because we had Celek. So primary job was pass catcher. This was also coming into a year people had real questions on Ertz toughness and williness to block and if he could score because at this point he had what like 6 tds total as a two year starter. 

2019 Dallas Geodart 58 catches 600 yards 5 tds backup TE that also was our primary blocking TE. 

Id say heading into this season Geodart compares very nicely to Ertz heading into 2017.

I’m comparing Ertz of 2016 to Geodart of now. They compare favorably to each other we know what Ertz went on to become the unknown is still there for Geodart.

30 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Personally, I think Hurts will always be a mediocre passer who can run the ball really well. If that's not your cup of tea, I get it. But he's built like a running back, so he should be able to play at a reasonably high level for around eight years,

Think 8 years is way to generous if this is your prediction. I look at Cam Newton who is way larger and he started to breakdown after 5-6 years.( also I don’t think Hurts would be anywhere near as dominate as Cam with his legs)

If Hurts doesn’t become more then a mediocre passer this team isn’t winning anything unless the goal is to be just a maybe 10-11 win team at best and not SBs 

On a side note Hank Fraley is the OL coach in Detroit didn’t know that lol

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

On a side note Hank Fraley is the OL coach in Detroit didn’t know that lol

Hank could move in 4 directions at the same time.

Competition for Howie if it was hoops...lol

Two TEs that I liked.   Mark Bavaro and Heath Miller.   The stud blockers that didn't need to catch a lot of balls, but made impact on a few key catches. 

17 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

So am I the only one that sees this team as a 3-14 team with Hurts leading the charge? I am not eager for this season....for the first time in a long time. It could be ugly and not even competitive many Sundays.

My concern is Siri leading the charge. But 3-14 would be pretty good for us. Get us another huge draft haul. That’s where things sit I’d say. Just need to infuse this team with youth. But....I’m not intimidated by anybody in our division. It’s really hard to envision being worse than last season though. I mean can this team actually go downward more from that? Just a huge clusterF of a season. Perfect storm of disaster. You got Rosie firing the OC. Then shoving these offensive advisors down Pedey’s throat. Then COVID situation. Injuries just blasted the team. Ertz in his lil pissy contract situation. On and on. Tough to screw things up more than last season. 
   But there is some reason for optimism. Could see the Oline dominating. That’s always a good start. I like the RBs we have. Huge Sanders fan! Scott works for me. Really want to see this rook kid Gainwell. Definitely peaked my interest. Reagor I still believe in fully. Think he’s a very dangerous weapon to have. All up to Smith and what he can do. Expectations are high....just no doubt. Not sure what’s quite going on with the D. Dline should be strong out the gates. LB room is full. Can they put together the right guys in the right situations? Actually feeling pretty good about the S room. McLeod and Harris could really be good back there. Also have some young potential. Like to see a guy step up and earn a job. Corner room isn’t full. I do think Slay could be in for a good year. If James outside is our weakest link on the D then we should be good.

  I see us getting blasted to start the season. One win in the first half of the season is a possibility..for sure. Gotta give some time for the coaches to sort a few things out. So it might look real bad to start the year. But hopefully we then improve after getting a few butt kicks in. If the team can come together midway and finish strong then the postseason is a possibility. That’s my optimistic view point. The team just keeps getting better and improving the whole time. 

15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But 3-14 would be pretty good for us.

In terms of draft in 22 this would be great guaranteed to have a top 3 maybe even first overall pick to secure our QB without having to give up anything( and yes if we go 3-14 can’t image Hurts played well enough not to get replaced)

Worse case scenario is 7-9 wins amd we are picking around 14-16 range and we know Hurts isn’t our guy likely means we package picks to get someone whether draft or guy like Watson/Wilson/Rodgers etc. 

On the flip side of terrible position we go far exceed expectations Hurts shows he is the QB and then we have 3 picks in round 1 to keep building the roster around him. 
 

Option 3 is likely the best possible outcome option 1 would be the preferred outcome if he isn’t...Option two is sadly the most likely outcome for us.

But at the end of the day this coming season should be all about finding out what we have. Big overhaul should come in 2021 with numerous picks and cap space to play with. 

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My concern is Siri leading the charge. But 3-14 would be pretty good for us.

 Tough to screw things up more than last season. 
   But there is some reason for optimism. Could see the Oline dominating. 

  The team just keeps getting better and improving the whole time. 

Siri is interesting.  On one hand everyone knows Doug got screwed.  Injuries, covid and the hiring of the staff part.   OC consultants ...lol.

I don't think 3-14 would be good.  I don't think the older guys are bad enough to go 3-14.  It would have to be the young guys not playing well or that they keep getting hurt like last year.  That's not good for the future.  

I get the bad record would be good in the draft situation, but I also look at how the bad record was achieved.  I don't see a way that 3-14 would be a good journey.

Because I agree, tough to screw things up more than last year.

It's funny... " start off slow under the new coach, but keep improving and push for a playoff spot.   This combined with the idea the division isn't good.    It's funny to me,because this scenario is exactly what Washington and NYG went through last year.   Struggle early under new staff,then win games the 2nd half of the year.   They both are building off of those exact things in year 2 of their programs.  Will be interesting!

Are you guys fans of the coaching hires?

3 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I agree on Ridgeway. I like Opeta, and I have a soft spot for bottom of the roster guys like him, but I would rather see them keep someone like Jacquet than him, as CB is a much bigger area of need and Jacquet has more athletic upside. 

I’d take Ridgeway before opeta for sure, especially because we have the reach project draft pick at DT. 

40 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you guys fans of the coaching hires?

They appear to be very solid hires, but it remains to be seen how it all comes together.

1 minute ago, Don Corleone said:

They appear to be very solid hires, but it remains to be seen how it all comes together.

I like their energy now but if we're being honest they wouldn't have been my choices coming into the process though I really didn't want McDaniels.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I like their energy now but if we're being honest they wouldn't have been my choices coming into the process though I really didn't want McDaniels.

That's fair.

6 hours ago, jsb235 said:

One of a million roster projections we will see between now and September.

Projecting Eagles’ 53-man roster following flurry of moves: How will cornerback shake out? Light on tight ends? - nj.com

On offense, he has - Hurts, Flacco, Newman, Sanders, Gainwell, Johnson, Scott, Goedert, Wilson, Reagor, Smith, Fulgham, Ward, Watkins, Grimes and Opeta as the 10th lineman.

He is high on Grimes, which is plausible if he shows a lot during camp. Wilson seems unlikely. He is a move TE, and that position can be played by Grimes or JJAW. I think the TE2 battle is between Stoll and Croom. Newman will have to pay really well to make the roster. otherwise I think he is safe on the PS. I wouldn't keep a fourth RB. Scott is okay, but we drafted Gainwell who does everything he does. I would save the QB3 and RB4 spots for the defense. He has Craven starting on PUP, which seems correct. Dickerson can't since he already took part in practices.

Defense - Dline is the usual suspects, with 10 guys making it, including Ridgeway, Jackson and Marlon. At LB, the obvious top five guys plus Stevens with Johnson, Avery and Ostman cut. He has nine DBs - Harris, Wallace, Epps and Arnold at safety, Slay, Maddox, Scott, McPhearson and James at corner. McLeod is on PUP.

As noted, I would save two spots on the offense and keep Johnson and Avery in the SAM roles on defense. I think Riley, Arnold and Jacquet are battling for a spot. I like Riley, but the bottom of the roster battles are pretty inconsequential.

Yeah,this is what I said about Grimes before. Why the "light at TE" isn't as daunting as it may seem to be

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My concern is Siri leading the charge. But 3-14 would be pretty good for us. Get us another huge draft haul. That’s where things sit I’d say. Just need to infuse this team with youth. But....I’m not intimidated by anybody in our division. It’s really hard to envision being worse than last season though. I mean can this team actually go downward more from that? Just a huge clusterF of a season. Perfect storm of disaster. You got Rosie firing the OC. Then shoving these offensive advisors down Pedey’s throat. Then COVID situation. Injuries just blasted the team. Ertz in his lil pissy contract situation. On and on. Tough to screw things up more than last season. 
   But there is some reason for optimism. Could see the Oline dominating. That’s always a good start. I like the RBs we have. Huge Sanders fan! Scott works for me. Really want to see this rook kid Gainwell. Definitely peaked my interest. Reagor I still believe in fully. Think he’s a very dangerous weapon to have. All up to Smith and what he can do. Expectations are high....just no doubt. Not sure what’s quite going on with the D. Dline should be strong out the gates. LB room is full. Can they put together the right guys in the right situations? Actually feeling pretty good about the S room. McLeod and Harris could really be good back there. Also have some young potential. Like to see a guy step up and earn a job. Corner room isn’t full. I do think Slay could be in for a good year. If James outside is our weakest link on the D then we should be good.

  I see us getting blasted to start the season. One win in the first half of the season is a possibility..for sure. Gotta give some time for the coaches to sort a few things out. So it might look real bad to start the year. But hopefully we then improve after getting a few butt kicks in. If the team can come together midway and finish strong then the postseason is a possibility. That’s my optimistic view point. The team just keeps getting better and improving the whole time. 

I hope you aren't suggesting we tank on purpose

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Competition for Howie if it was hoops...lol

She "gets around" ,more than most GM's lol

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My concern is Siri leading the charge. But 3-14 would be pretty good for us. Get us another huge draft haul. That’s where things sit I’d say. Just need to infuse this team with youth. But....I’m not intimidated by anybody in our division. It’s really hard to envision being worse than last season though. I mean can this team actually go downward more from that? Just a huge clusterF of a season. Perfect storm of disaster. You got Rosie firing the OC. Then shoving these offensive advisors down Pedey’s throat. Then COVID situation. Injuries just blasted the team. Ertz in his lil pissy contract situation. On and on. Tough to screw things up more than last season. 
   But there is some reason for optimism. Could see the Oline dominating. That’s always a good start. I like the RBs we have. Huge Sanders fan! Scott works for me. Really want to see this rook kid Gainwell. Definitely peaked my interest. Reagor I still believe in fully. Think he’s a very dangerous weapon to have. All up to Smith and what he can do. Expectations are high....just no doubt. Not sure what’s quite going on with the D. Dline should be strong out the gates. LB room is full. Can they put together the right guys in the right situations? Actually feeling pretty good about the S room. McLeod and Harris could really be good back there. Also have some young potential. Like to see a guy step up and earn a job. Corner room isn’t full. I do think Slay could be in for a good year. If James outside is our weakest link on the D then we should be good.

  I see us getting blasted to start the season. One win in the first half of the season is a possibility..for sure. Gotta give some time for the coaches to sort a few things out. So it might look real bad to start the year. But hopefully we then improve after getting a few butt kicks in. If the team can come together midway and finish strong then the postseason is a possibility. That’s my optimistic view point. The team just keeps getting better and improving the whole time. 

The flip side to this is, noone has a clue what to expect from us. We could win some early "shock and awe" games simply because noone can game plan for an offense you have never seen and I believe it will get harder to win as the year goes on because now they have vids on "tendencies" and how the offense works

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you guys fans of the coaching hires?

Except for Stout i really can't make an informed comment