June 10, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, paco said: For those of us that didn't watch, is it possible to get a quick bulleted list of new things learned?
June 10, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, paco said: For those of us that didn't watch, is it possible to get a quick bulleted list of new things learned? Here's what I gathered from reading through this thread Spoiler
June 10, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, DiPros said: How retarded is Fox's continued attempts to scale this back and blame Pelosi? Let's say the Sgt of Arms, CP had the NG on guard that day. How does this change what Trump and his goons were doing? It doesn't. I imagine it would have turned out much worse had the NG been confronted from these guys and there still would have been carnage and choas. Americans killing Americans. All because of a LIE. From a man who is absolutely bat ish crazy and cannot and will not ever accept defeat. Also, if it was all the dems fault why did his own cabinet members resign and bring up possibly invoking the 25th amendment? My apology for being a rational. Absolutely insane that this is still going on when you just can't face the fact that he lost. It's dangerous. Procus’s link is lying about that. Trump had the authority to send in the National Guard. But he didn’t for hours. Instead he watched it happen and encouraged it.
June 10, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Naturally, I didn’t watch the hearings since they aired after 2am my time. Reading the accounts it looks like a lot more of the same stuff. Looks quite clear to me but to really move the optics needle for the majority of idiots the bar is high, stupidly so but it is what it is. I’m hoping for the long shot anti Trump ground swell in the party which of course isn’t going to happen. Thursday's hearing was Part One in what is shaping to be a 4 part miniseries. Step 1 is is to establish the J6 insurrection was violent, it was planned, and it was intended to subvert the peaceful transfer of power. They presented new videos and first hand accounts of the violence. They had evidence Trump's team knew he had lost the election and the fraud claims were bogus. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers had left during the rally at the Mall and taken up positions at the Capitol barricades before the violence started. They had a plan and a purpose, egged on by Trump. Pence was pivotal in the military response to stop the insurrection and Mark Meadows was a "red flag". The teaser for next week is to show how Trump was central to all of this.
June 10, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, paco said: For those of us that didn't watch, is it possible to get a quick bulleted list of new things learned? LINK Quote Here are four takeaways from the first day of the hearings: 1. New facts and information were revealed Among them: Not previously publicly seen video footage from police body cameras, Capitol hallway and office footage, as well as police radio communication; Trump Attorney General Bill Barr telling investigators in his on-camera deposition that he told Trump his allegations of election fraud were "BS." Barr revealed this in his book, but it carries different weight with him telling it to a congressional committee; Ivanka Trump, the former president's daughter and a former senior adviser in his White House, saying she accepted what Barr had to say. "I respect Attorney General Barr," she was shown saying, "so I accepted what he was saying." Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley saying Vice President Mike Pence was being direct and wanting the military's help at the Capitol. The response from the White House, on the other hand, was very different. Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, Milley said, wanted instead to shape a "narrative" that Trump was in control. Milley said that wreaked of "politics, politics, politics," and it was a "red flag"; Cheney said Rep. Scott Perry and "multiple other Republican congressmen" sought "presidential pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election"; New texts between Fox News host Sean Hannity and then-White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany; Former campaign adviser Jason Miller saying on camera that he told Trump in "pretty blunt terms that he was going to lose;" Trump lawyer Alex Cannon affirming there was no evidence of widespread election fraud or the election being stolen. Proud Boys and Oath Keepers on camera saying they went to the Capitol that day because they believed that's what Trump wanted done, they felt he'd asked them to do it and that after Trump's "Stand back and stand by" remark in a debate, membership tripled. POLITICS Ivanka Trump said she accepted Barr's conclusion that the 2020 election wasn't stolen 2. The videos and production were effective. It's tough to command and keep an audience's attention in prime time for a congressional hearing (competing with NHL playoffs, no less). And we won't know how many people tuned in until later, but the video stood out as being powerful. It effectively cut between Trump's speech on Jan. 6 to show how it was egging the crowd on. Its use of stable overhead cameras showing the mass of the crowd overwhelming law enforcement, as well as the use of law enforcement body camera footage and radio conversations were strong. It showed the rioters were operating outside the law — and against police, a group Trump often holds up with reverence. The video was also effective in showing Trump's tweets and seeing militant members in the crowd, needing a mob fired up, literally reading from Trump's tweets through a bullhorn almost as marching orders — all because Trump couldn't handle losing and he lied to his crowd of supporters. Violence from the mob of Trump supporters — striking officers with hockey sticks in one scene — was interspersed with Trump saying just five days later that these were "peaceful" people. The video also notably showed staffers from Republican leader Kevin McCarthy's office hurrying for the exits. McCarthy originally criticized Trump and asked for him that day to call off the crowd — only to do an about-face, as he saw the House speakership on the horizon and needed Trump's base of supporters. Even Trump's former chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, said it was effective, calling it "stunning." POLITICS Liz Cheney offers a stark message to the GOP members who continue to support Trump 3. The committee went after Trump, painting him as a rogue and dangerous president. The committee, particularly Cheney, made a strong case that Trump is a threat to democracy — a rogue and temperamental character who didn't listen to advice from anyone who disagreed about his election narrative. But pretty much everyone around Trump knew the truth and couldn't tame or control him, not only his attorney general and his daughter, but Fox's Hannity and Trump's press secretary, McEnany. In new texts from Jan. 7, Hannity tells McEnany, "No more stolen election talk" and that the 25th Amendment possibility of the Cabinet removing Trump from office was "real." McEnany takes it as good advice, saying, "Love that. Thank you. This is the playbook. THANK YOU for your help." Cheney made the case that Trump didn't want to stop the riot, that he was yelling and angry at advisers who were telling him that he needed to do more, and that he was watching on TV and aware of rioters chanting "Hang Mike Pence!" Trump's response to that? According to Cheney: "Maybe our supporters have the right idea. Mike Pence deserves it." NATIONAL Bennie Thompson says Jan. 6 was the 'culmination of an attempted coup' 4. One of the biggest problems in this country continues to be people not operating from or believing in a shared set of facts. If you watched this hearing with a split screen between Fox News and everyone else, it was eye-opening. While every other cable news channel carried the hearing live, Fox did not. It didn't even cut away during the entire time its top host Tucker Carlson was on the air, making it less likely its audience would switch to any other channel to see the hearing, according to the left-leaning group Media Matters, which tracks conservative media. Fox instead spun out narratives furthering Trump's lies and downplaying the evidence presented. Fox's audience was treated to narratives casting aspersions on the committee's work, as well as a cast of Trump supporters, including Sen. Mike Lee of Utah, and former Trump administration officials, like controversial former chief of staff to the acting Secretary of Defense Kash Patel, former White House adviser Stephen Miller and former White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus. Ironically, Hannity, the very person who had been texting the White House, telling them to get Trump to stop the election lies, was on TV Thursday night with banners on the screen, exclaiming that there were "false narratives" from the hearing, calling it a "sham investigation" that was an orchestrated "anti-Trump show trial." The reality is: a significant portion of the country — and many of the very people who need to hear the facts about what happened on Jan. 6 — will have never heard the primary source evidence presented, making it difficult for Americans to get on the same page about what truly happened that day.
June 10, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, paco said: For those of us that didn't watch, is it possible to get a quick bulleted list of new things learned? The Japanese did Pearl Harbor Al Qaeda did 9/11 Donald Trump did January 6th
June 10, 20223 yr 43 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The ultimate betrayal. Ivanka has gone from "I'd date her" to "I'd pay her for a night" status.
June 10, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, toolg said: LINK Thank you. Side note, a hit rate of 25% on useful replies was better than I was expecting. You're off to a good start today, CVON.
June 10, 20223 yr Another interesting tidbit was the fact that Trump stated, in response to his minions on Jan 6th chanting "hang Pence" that "he deserved it". That is our former President folks. Actively stating that his VP deserved to be hanged.
June 10, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, paco said: Thank you. Side note, a hit rate of 25% on useful replies was better than I was expecting. You're off to a good start today, CVON. Mine was one of the useful ones, right?
June 10, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Procus’s link is lying about that. Trump had the authority to send in the National Guard. But he didn’t for hours. Instead he watched it happen and encouraged it. He is talking about intelligence reports in the day(s) leading up to the 6th and that the decision was made to not have the NG there. I'm not sure Trump had any authority before the 6th in that decision. Knowing him, what if Pelosi wanted the NG there, Trump could have called them off? I don't know. Anyway it's a really lame excuse and it changes nothing.
June 10, 20223 yr Pelosi was never the Commander in Chief. (Does anybody really want that?) It is true that Capitol Police was woefully undermanned for the crowd present on Jan. 6. There were gobs more security forces in Washington DC during the summer protests. Bad optics isn't the answer, they already had the Capitol barricaded before the Electoral vote count. I believe when the truth is exposed; Why was there so little security? Why wasn't the military/NG called up?; Trumpers aren't going to like the answer. It was planned that way. There were red flags appointed by Trump in DoD. LINK Quote Trump made the claim about the extra security at the Capitol on Fox News more than a month after the attacks. "I definitely gave the number of 10,000 National Guardsmen, and [said] I think you should have 10,000 of the National Guard ready," Trump told the news channel during a February 28, 2021, interview. "They took that number. From what I understand, they gave it to the people at the Capitol, which is controlled by Pelosi. And I heard they rejected it because they didn't think it would look good. So, you know, that was a big mistake." The Washington Post and USA Today have both debunked Trump's claim. USA Today wrote that Pelosi's office was never contacted by the president regarding such a recommendation, and the Pentagon has denied having record of the request. Additionally, the Department of Defense's timeline of the events leading up to the Capitol riot also makes no mention of a National Guard request, and the former House sergeant-at-arms said he had no discussions with congressional leaders about the matter, according to USA Today. Trump is a liar. Pelosi doesn't have that much control to reject the POTUS request.
June 10, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Naturally, I didn’t watch the hearings since they aired after 2am my time. Reading the accounts it looks like a lot more of the same stuff. Looks quite clear to me but to really move the optics needle for the majority of idiots the bar is high, stupidly so but it is what it is. I’m hoping for the long shot anti Trump ground swell in the party which of course isn’t going to happen. The big reveals were It was pretty much concluded that all concerned including Trump himself knew he really lost the election Trump's intention for January 6th was violence Members of congress knew they were complicit in the insurrection and guilty of criminal acts so they sought pardons from Trump before he left office Jarred Kushner is a tool
June 10, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Looks like she's lost the Veep slot. Don Jr is already celebrating...
June 10, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: The big reveals were It was pretty much concluded that all concerned including Trump himself knew he really lost the election Trump's intention for January 6th was violence Members of congress knew they were complicit in the insurrection and guilty of criminal acts so they sought pardons from Trump before he left office Jarred Kushner is a tool yep...knowledge and intent. they're laying out a legal case against agent orange.
June 10, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, barho said: Another interesting tidbit was the fact that Trump stated, in response to his minions on Jan 6th chanting "hang Pence" that "he deserved it". That is our former President folks. Actively stating that his VP deserved to be hanged. Imagine how mentally ill you have to be to line up and vote for a psycho that wishes death on his own VP for not installing him as dictator.
June 10, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, toolg said: LINK Man, reading that is something. Republicans really are dangerous. 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Imagine how mentally ill you have to be to line up and vote for a psycho that wishes death on his own VP for not installing him as dictator. For the third time Mental illness is an under statement.
June 10, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Looks like she's lost the Veep slot. Don Jr is already celebrating... That brings back lalone memories. He would make procus look like a rhodes scholar.
June 10, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: yep...knowledge and intent. they're laying out a legal case against agent orange. My hope is that Trump and people like Meadows, Jordan, and others are barred from holding public office under the 14th amendment (as they should be) "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
June 10, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Imagine how mentally ill you have to be to line up and vote for a psycho that wishes death on his own VP for not installing him as dictator.
June 10, 20223 yr Fantastic Presentation last night. Look forward to watching more. One thing is Clear, Trump has no respect for the Constitution, Rule of Law or Democracy. Highlights for me. Trump was told by his computer numbers guy, his chief of staff and the Attorney General that he lost the election and there was no fraud. So he was made aware of it. Trump pursued the Big Lie anyway as part of his plan to overturn the election. Part of his Plan is the Big Lie, Phone Call pressure, and the Packer Sweep of False Electors in conjunction with State Reps and the insurrection. (It's also clear to me the Giuliani, Bannon, Eastman and Stone played a huge role in the planning and execution of this attempted Coup.) The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys met the day before and they went 2.5 hours early to scout the scene, look for weaknesses, before Trump even took the stage. They were there to start the attack and open the door for the Crowd to follow when Trump told them to go to the Capitol. One thing is clear, the insurrectionists say they were there because Trump told them to go. Trump did nothing for 4 hours while police engaged in hand to hand combat. He didn't call the National Guard, he didn't call anyone to protect the Capitol, for 4 hours. Until he was urged to put an end to it and only then reluctantly posted a video where he told the insurrectionists he loved them. Trump also said it was a good idea to hang Pence and that he deserved it. Trump should be charged with Seditious Conspiracy.
June 10, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Trump's the only one brave enough to press the Cheap Gas Button!
June 10, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: yep...knowledge and intent. they're laying out a legal case against agent orange. The Good news is the attorneys at the Dept. of Justice were watching last night. The case was handed to them on Silver Platter and they will get even more over the next few weeks. The Attorney General is a weakling. Charges should be filed already.
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