June 23, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: i've been on 3 juries...car accident where the guy sued seeking injury damages even though he's playing racquetball & golf a couple times a week...a guy on trial for robbing a pizza shop he used to work for....and foreman of the jury where i got to read the guilty verdicts to some creepy pervo who sexually abused a minor. but i did manage to get out of it a few months ago when i received a letter to report. Wow, impressive show of citizenship, Hunt. Also, since you didn’t actively root for the overthrow of our government last year I’d consider that a positive as well.
June 23, 20223 yr Only got called once to serve on a grand jury and they filled it before my name got called. Was out by 11 and got a half a paid day off (big deal for me at that time lol). I kinda wanted to get picked, seemed a good way to learn more about our legal system.
June 23, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Only got called once to serve on a grand jury and they filled it before my name got called. Was out by 11 and got a half a paid day off (big deal for me at that time lol). I kinda wanted to get picked, seemed a good way to learn more about our legal system. There’s two really interesting things about jury duty. One is getting an inside look at how our legal system functions. The other is seeing the cross-section of people who actually decide those court cases. Lol
June 23, 20223 yr On 6/22/2022 at 8:53 AM, Dave Moss said: I get all kinds of crap: This is from Marjorie Traitor Greene Republicans response. Oh no, the British are coming. Grandpa Joe took our AR-15's and there are no other weapons in existence we can defend ourselves with. Run and hide.
June 23, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: There’s two really interesting things about jury duty. One is getting an inside look at how our legal system functions. The other is seeing the cross-section of people who actually decide those court cases. Lol it's f'n scary. the trial with the pizza shop robbery...there's no doubt in my mind the guy did it. they even had him on video ,albeit poor quality video...but the people he worked with recognized him immediately. but the maroons on the jury must watch too much csi because they're asking why the police didn't brush for fingerprints or get dna samples. for a pizza shop robbery in nepa.
June 23, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Sure, some supporting material. The big stuff we already knew. Yeah, like how Trump was personally involved in the False Slate of Electors conspiracy and how he was involved in having those who refused to participate, targeted with threats of violence to coerce them to participate.
June 23, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: There’s two really interesting things about jury duty. One is getting an inside look at how our legal system functions. The other is seeing the cross-section of people who actually decide those court cases. Lol Holy ish. The people who tried to get out of it and the excuses they made. Judge lol'ed at the woman next to me when he called her (she was one of those women who had deep wrnkles on their face from being mean or angry all the time, she was like 40 but looked 60 and her voice sounded like she smoked 3 packs a day). She kept repeating "I am unfit to serve on a jury because I feel everyone is guilty" over and over.
June 23, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, like how Trump was personally involved in the False Slate of Electors conspiracy and how he was involved in having those who refused to participate, targeted with threats of violence to coerce them to participate. Yes exactly
June 23, 20223 yr Jury questions to prospective Trump supporters. This is the major concern for all of it. Can an impartial jury be found? Do you believe in Witch Hunts and Hoaxes? Do you believe in Q. Where were you on 1/6? Do you believe the 2020 election was stolen? Do you believe the 2020 election was decided by Fraud? Do you believe in facts and evidence or only what Trump says as truth?
June 23, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said: Jury questions to prospective Trump supporters. This is the major concern for all of it. Can an impartial jury be found? Do you believe in Witch Hunts and Hoaxes? Do you believe in Q. Where were you on 1/6? Do you believe the 2020 election was stolen? Do you believe the 2020 election was decided by Fraud? Do you believe in facts and evidence or only what Trump says as truth? Why bother with all those? Just ask "are you an idiot?”
June 23, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Jury questions to prospective Trump supporters. This is the major concern for all of it. Can an impartial jury be found? Do you believe in Witch Hunts and Hoaxes? Do you believe in Q. Where were you on 1/6? Do you believe the 2020 election was stolen? Do you believe the 2020 election was decided by Fraud? Do you believe in facts and evidence or only what Trump says as truth? those questions should also be used for mental health screenings before someone would be allowed to purchase firearms.
June 23, 20223 yr The Rule of Law is under threat. Juror bias accusations push We Build the Wall case toward mistrial They jury is split 11-1 with the holdout member of the panel complaining about a "government witch hunt" and calling accused fraudster Tim Shea "a good man [who] doesn't beat his wife." MANHATTAN (CN) — A juror who said fellow members of the panel had a liberal bias appears ready to cause a mistrial in the case against one of the co-founders of a bogus charity to privately build former President Donald Trump’s border wall. The jury began deliberations late Tuesday afternoon after three days of witness testimony and summations in a case that kicked off two years earlier against the four co-founders of a 501(c)(4) organization called We Build the Wall. Timothy Shea, who owns a Trump-themed energy drink company called Winning Energy, is standing trial alone on three criminal counts, but the Colorado businessman was charged in 2020 alongside Trump political strategist Steve Bannon, Air Force veteran Brian Kolfage and venture capitalist Andrew Badolato. From the beginning, We Build the Wall promised that 100% of funds raised would go toward construction of a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. It quickly raised some $25 million in private donations on GoFundMe but built a mere 3 miles of fencing. The rest, according to charging papers, lined its founder’s pockets. Prosecutors said Bannon and Kolfage alone used more than $1 million in We Build the Wall donations to pay for a boat, a 2018 Land Rover Range Rover, a golf cart, jewelry, cosmetic surgery and other assets. Bannon, who was arrested off the eastern coast of Connecticut on a 150-foot yacht owned by Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, would ultimately circumvent liability in the case when Trump pardoned him on his last day in office in January 2021. Kolfage and Badolato meanwhile pleaded guilty in April 2022. Three days into deliberations on the charges against Shea, jurors informed U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres that they were deadlocked 11-1 and unanimously requesting that the court replace one male juror with an alternate juror because the juror had shown anti-government bias and had accused all the others of being liberals. The panel had first sent a bulleted note earlier Thursday that quoted the holdout juror as saying things such as "government witch hunt” and accusing the federal prosecutors of bringing the case in New York City because they "knew people here vote differently.” The note said the juror added that the We Build The Wall trial "should have been tried in a Southern state.” The jurors also accused the renegade juror of saying: "Tim Shea is a good man. He doesn’t beat his wife.” Defense attorney John Meringolo requested a mistrial in response to that first note, contending that the jury had revealed so much about deliberations that they had violated instructions to keep their talks secret. After the deadlock note, Meringolo again requested a mistrial, telling the judge, "We think the jury’s done.” Judge Torres rejected Shea’s lawyer’s motion, instead reading the jurors what is known as an Allen charge, instructing them to continue deliberating and reach a unanimous verdict. Around noon on Friday, another jury note suggested an impasse on count three, falsification of records. This charge alleges that Shea and Kolfage backdated contracts in October 2019 to reflect reasons for payments from We Build the Wall to Shea and from Shea to Kolfage, "with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence” a federal investigation into the scheme. Suggesting the possibility of additional evidence "somewhere,” including earlier signed documents that the "prosecution did not search and find,” the jury note asked for clarity on whether it was a crime to backdate a contract to memorialize an earlier agreement. During the government’s closing arguments on Tuesday morning, prosecutors directed jurors to "smoking gun” text messages, bank records and emails outlining Shea and Kolfage’s conspiracy to loot funds from We Build the Wall’s donations through fake invoices and then, after learning that investigations were underway, cover up that scheme with additional backdated contracts. "We need a solid Fing plan … otherwise we go to prison,” Shea said in one message to Kolfage, Badolato and his wife — words that Assistant U.S. Attorney Nicolas Roos referenced repeatedly to jurors. "If it comes out we hired ourselves, it will be bad,” Shea makes plain in another text in the group chat. "We need to create a company I hired you,” the texts continue. "I’m paying you for a service … consulting.” Roos told jurors that investigators managed to retrieve these words even after Shea deleted the text messages from the devices he turned over to law enforcement. "He very much knew his words would convict him,” the prosecutor said.
June 23, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: it's f'n scary. the trial with the pizza shop robbery...there's no doubt in my mind the guy did it. they even had him on video ,albeit poor quality video...but the people he worked with recognized him immediately. but the maroons on the jury must watch too much csi because they're asking why the police didn't brush for fingerprints or get dna samples. for a pizza shop robbery in nepa. In the case that I was a juror for one of the victims was mentally retarded. We had expert testimony that she was incapable of understanding the ramifications of sects and she was unable to consent. The defendant knew her mental state and had had multiple prior interactions with her and her family before raping her. But one of the jurors kept says they knew a mentally retarded person and they just believed she knew what she was doing and didn’t want to accept the expert testimony. I never would have guessed that that particular charge would have been up for debate at all. The juror did end up coming around and we convicted him on that charge as well as like 18 others if I remember correctly.
June 23, 20223 yr I'm one of "those guys" that hates jury duty and finds it to be a massive, highly inefficient waste of everyone's time. Yeah it's our civic duty and blah blah blah, but it sets me behind on my work and I basically lose money to sit in a room and read magazines for several hours. Have never been selected to actually sit for the trial and I hope I never do. Call me disillusioned with the whole system, but it's horribly broken and needs to be updated to modern life.
June 23, 20223 yr Feds search home of Jeffrey Clark, former DOJ official who pushed Trump’s false election fraud claims https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/jeffrey-clark/index.html Aw.
June 23, 20223 yr Favorites so far regarding Clark---"We'll call you when there's an oil spill" and "Environmental and Election both begin with E" "and not sure you even know that!"
June 23, 20223 yr 23 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Wasted my whole day waiting in a room to see if I got called in to serve on a jury instead of wasting it posting in here. Thanks a lot, Founding Fathers. I've been lucky. Both times I was called, I was ushered into the court room within the first 30 mins of being there. The first time I did sit on a jury and had to be there 2 and a half days. The other they just let me go in an hour.
June 23, 20223 yr Justice officials testified that Trump called them every day except for Christmas and New Year’s Eve.
June 23, 20223 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Justice officials testified that Trump called them every day except for Christmas and New Year’s Eve. fatarse was working them like a bill collector.
June 23, 20223 yr Committee now showing recorded testimony of Matt Gaetz’ effort to get a pre-emptive pardon
June 23, 20223 yr 52 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Committee now showing recorded testimony of Matt Gaetz’ effort to get a pre-emptive pardon I'm sure he wanted a blanket pardon even if he had nothing to do with Jan 6th.
June 23, 20223 yr Representative Perry from PA was implicated in the scheme to replace acting AG Rosen with Trump lackey Jeffrey Clark.
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