3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's funny though, I've been watching some old Looney Toons cartoons and they exaggerated EVERYONE'S physical attributes.  However, what was accepted in 1941 isn't today.  

Had he called Smith the N-word,  that would be IMO racist.  He made a comment about a physical characteristic.....much like people make fun of him for looking like a Chuckie Doll.  Was it off-color and unnecessary?  Most definitely.  

Serious question...if a black person was at Disney World or down at the shore and had a caricature drawing done...if the artist gives them big lips is that racist or is he just portraying them in a comedic way?

 

 

Why are you still on this. Let it go. 

Calling someone the N word was accepted in 1941. It's not now. Things change. Yes it would be racist for someone to draw a black person with gigantic lips. This isn't hard. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Because officiating is relatively safe? How many injuries, let alone serious injuries do you ever hear about officials sustaining? 

There's a decent chance officials have caused more serious injuries to players than vice versa 

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's funny though, I've been watching some old Looney Toons cartoons and they exaggerated EVERYONE'S physical attributes.  However, what was accepted in 1941 isn't today.  

Had he called Smith the N-word,  that would be IMO racist.  He made a comment about a physical characteristic.....much like people make fun of him for looking like a Chuckie Doll.  Was it off-color and unnecessary?  Most definitely.  

Serious question...if a black person was at Disney World or down at the shore and had a caricature drawing done...if the artist gives them big lips is that racist or is he just portraying them in a comedic way?

 

 

I think if Black people as a whole weren’t  crapped on for so many years, it would be different, but as late as the 60’s the Heavyweight Champ of the world, still couldn’t go into some restaurants in his hometown because of his color. 
 If the artist in question would draw a caricature of Mike Tyson, with just Mike Tyson in the room with exaggerated giant lips, or if this artist was at a large family reunion of black people and did the same, have at it.  

 At Disney World in the 60’s-80’s it’ll pass, if an artist did that now, Disney would be giving out tons of free tickets. 

Chuckie Dolls aren’t associated to generalize white people, big lips on black folk though?  

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Shut up, queer 

If you’re in New York is it qweeah?

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's a decent chance officials have caused more serious injuries to players than vice versa 

Who was the official that pegged the O lineman in the eye with a penalty flag ??

My apologies to anyone that might disagree with things I've said on here.  I'm just trying to think and discuss some of the current issues.  I think open discussion is important and it helps  hearing the majority of thoughts and viewpoints from guys on here...except AF when it comes to defending Howie.   We live in a strange time where language many of us used with our buddies in the locker room 15 years ago is now considered homophobic when the majority of us used it in a 100% innocent way while joking around with each other.  I'd venture those of us who have used the language never used it towards anyone in those specific groups.  

Nothing more from me regarding the Gruden issue. 

 

Just now, downundermike said:

Who was the official that pegged the O lineman in the eye with a penalty flag ??

Triplette

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Who was the official that pegged the O lineman in the eye with a penalty flag ??

Don't remember the ref but it was Orlando brown when he played for the Browns and he went over and roughed up the ref.😁

Regarding companies monitoring their employees emails and internet activity, this is 100 true…

About 20 years ago I was called into my boss’ office, where he reprimanded me for looking at porn on my work computer. He said it was an official warning that would go into my permanent file and I would be fired if it happened again. Dumbstruck I asked him what it was I allegedly looked at. He said the IT department flagged me for looking at "squirrel porn.” He asked me "why the hell would you look at that stuff?” I had no idea what he was talking about, so I asked to speak with the IT department. The head of IT was an older woman. She wanted no part of this conversation and was clearly uncomfortable, but I asked her to show us what it was I was looking at. She took us back to the IT department and pulled up a page on an Eagles message board. Someone’s avatar was a picture of a squirrel standing up with his balls on full display. The image was called "squirrelporn.jpeg.” They said they would put in my permanent file that I was cleared of wrong doing. After a few minutes of me explaining how ridiculous it is that it would even be in my file they agreed to delete it, but that I couldn’t visit the message board at work anymore. 

On my last day there a bunch of people bought me stuffed animal squirrels. 

3 hours ago, Godfather said:

Jeremy Fowler reporting Ertz to the Bills or Colts again. Rumor mill wheels turning....

Both are good landing spots.  

From a football perspective, if I'm the Bills I am pushing hard for Ertz.  He would be a huge upgrade from Dawson Knox and would make a good team even better.  

Everybody says Colts because Wentz, but why would they want to add a TE?  Not like that's gonna fix their problems.

11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I knew the blog was mostly old dudes, but wow, guys. Wow.

Old white dudes. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Regarding companies monitoring their employees emails and internet activity, this is 100 true…

About 20 years ago I was called into my boss’ office, where he reprimanded me for looking at porn on my work computer. He said it was an official warning that would go into my permanent file and I would be fired if it happened again. Dumbstruck I asked him what it was I allegedly looked at. He said the IT department flagged me for looking at "squirrel porn.” He asked me "why the hell would you look at that stuff?” I had no idea what he was talking about, so I asked to speak with the IT department. The head of IT was an older woman. She wanted no part of this conversation and was clearly uncomfortable, but I asked her to show us what it was I was looking at. She took us back to the IT department and pulled up a page on an Eagles message board. Someone’s avatar was a picture of a squirrel standing up with his balls on full display. The image was called "squirrelporn.jpeg.” They said they would put in my permanent file that I was cleared of wrong doing. After a few minutes of me explaining how ridiculous it is that it would even be in my file they agreed to delete it, but that I couldn’t visit the message board at work anymore. 

On my last day there a bunch of people bought me stuffed animal squirrels. 

That's hilarious ya perv 

1 minute ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Love Gruden especially on MNF 

Won’t see that.  He would be unacceptable in that role at this point.

@ManuManu I guess it's a good thing they didn't see Mr. Bueno's avatar

1 hour ago, greend said:

I remeber when some folks were upset that Howie got him.

I was one of them.  It was a poor use of resources at the time, caused by their inability/unwillingness to draft defense.   And they spent money on him that could have been used to upgrade the WR position.  But, they had to spend more money there due to failures with Malik Jackson, Haloti Ngata and Timmy Jernigan.  (Initial trade for Jernigan was very good... then the 'bad luck' started.)

50 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Here's why Gruden got caught:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/how-jon-grudens-resignation-ties-nfls-investigation-washington-football-team

Gruden reportedly exchanged some of the emails in question with former Washington Football Team president Bruce Allen. According to the New York Times' report, Gruden’s emails were discovered by the NFL as part of its investigation into workplace misconduct at the Washington Football Team.

 

Gruden really is stupid, if he sent e-mails to the WFT corporate e-mail address instead of private correspondence.

Of course, putting anything offensive in writing is stupid to start with.

And leaked by the NFL, which hasn’t leaked a thing about the WTF investigation.  That smells.

33 minutes ago, hputenis said:

It's your fault for not having him on ignore.

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Regarding companies monitoring their employees emails and internet activity, this is 100 true…

About 20 years ago I was called into my boss’ office, where he reprimanded me for looking at porn on my work computer. He said it was an official warning that would go into my permanent file and I would be fired if it happened again. Dumbstruck I asked him what it was I allegedly looked at. He said the IT department flagged me for looking at "squirrel porn.” He asked me "why the hell would you look at that stuff?” I had no idea what he was talking about, so I asked to speak with the IT department. The head of IT was an older woman. She wanted no part of this conversation and was clearly uncomfortable, but I asked her to show us what it was I was looking at. She took us back to the IT department and pulled up a page on an Eagles message board. Someone’s avatar was a picture of a squirrel standing up with his balls on full display. The image was called "squirrelporn.jpeg.” They said they would put in my permanent file that I was cleared of wrong doing. After a few minutes of me explaining how ridiculous it is that it would even be in my file they agreed to delete it, but that I couldn’t visit the message board at work anymore. 

On my last day there a bunch of people bought me stuffed animal squirrels. 

You are a sick sick dude!

 

I chose to stop reading after the bolded.  

 

 

 

 

(just kidding... sadly, I remember that avatar)

27 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Shut up, queer 

This reminded me of this from dodgerball 

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

And leaked by the NFL, which hasn’t leaked a thing about the WTF investigation.  That smells.

This is the part that sticks in my craw.  

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Regarding companies monitoring their employees emails and internet activity, this is 100 true…

About 20 years ago I was called into my boss’ office, where he reprimanded me for looking at porn on my work computer. He said it was an official warning that would go into my permanent file and I would be fired if it happened again. Dumbstruck I asked him what it was I allegedly looked at. He said the IT department flagged me for looking at "squirrel porn.” He asked me "why the hell would you look at that stuff?” I had no idea what he was talking about, so I asked to speak with the IT department. The head of IT was an older woman. She wanted no part of this conversation and was clearly uncomfortable, but I asked her to show us what it was I was looking at. She took us back to the IT department and pulled up a page on an Eagles message board. Someone’s avatar was a picture of a squirrel standing up with his balls on full display. The image was called "squirrelporn.jpeg.” They said they would put in my permanent file that I was cleared of wrong doing. After a few minutes of me explaining how ridiculous it is that it would even be in my file they agreed to delete it, but that I couldn’t visit the message board at work anymore. 

On my last day there a bunch of people bought me stuffed animal squirrels. 

Good thing they didn't ask you about Richard Gere being your screensaver image .... 

 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Regarding companies monitoring their employees emails and internet activity, this is 100 true…

About 20 years ago I was called into my boss’ office, where he reprimanded me for looking at porn on my work computer. He said it was an official warning that would go into my permanent file and I would be fired if it happened again. Dumbstruck I asked him what it was I allegedly looked at. He said the IT department flagged me for looking at "squirrel porn.” He asked me "why the hell would you look at that stuff?” I had no idea what he was talking about, so I asked to speak with the IT department. The head of IT was an older woman. She wanted no part of this conversation and was clearly uncomfortable, but I asked her to show us what it was I was looking at. She took us back to the IT department and pulled up a page on an Eagles message board. Someone’s avatar was a picture of a squirrel standing up with his balls on full display. The image was called "squirrelporn.jpeg.” They said they would put in my permanent file that I was cleared of wrong doing. After a few minutes of me explaining how ridiculous it is that it would even be in my file they agreed to delete it, but that I couldn’t visit the message board at work anymore. 

On my last day there a bunch of people bought me stuffed animal squirrels. 

The end of the story makes that story even more awesome. I remember the user who had the gif just not his name. But i remember that squirrel 

Keyshawn's comments about Gruden bring to mind an interesting contrast between personal knowledge of another human being and how valuable it is or should be.

Keyshawn said he's a fraud, etc. I think years ago people would value personal knowledge and interactions with another person as first and foremost. I think social media unfortunately has rewired peoples' brains to look at it otherwise.

For example if you're friends with someone and you've known them for a long time and they've always been kind to you, they've always been there for you, they've always treated you with respect and class, and then you found out they sent an email to someone else making fun of a specific aspect of your identity or ethnicity or what have you. I think 20 years ago, hell even 10 years ago most people would go "Yeah, that was Fed up to say those things, but I know this person and have known them for years, and I know what they're all about. He was just talking trash and what matters is how they treat me personally."

I don't think it's that way anymore for a lot of people. You could know someone for 30 years and they could have been the most amazing friend to you ever. But people today if they found out that person made a slight about their identity, they would go "No, that's the real you, I'm never speaking to you again!"

I think that's a shame. People are so complex and multilayered. People can be great people, but have a potty mouth or have a dark or vulgar or even offensive sense of humor. I'm not saying that was or wasn't Gruden. I have no idea. What I'm saying is, it would be a shame if people who knew Jon Gruden for many years and knew him as a good, kind, respectable person, to change an entire opinion on a guy over some emails, I think you're prioritizing the wrong thing to form an opinion on someone. You will always learn more about a person through personal interaction. And I think people today think you learn more through emails and social media posts.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Good thing they didn't ask you about Richard Gere being your screensaver image .... 

I just remembered, who was the Philly news guy linked to that?