Maybe he should not do gymnastics until he proves he is healthy enough to play and prove he was worth a second round pick.

 

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I tend to agree but I also think that running from trouble for positive yardage is part of what makes Mahommes and Rodgers great.  I think Hurts has that level of mobility. Needs to keep looking downfield when he uses his legs. Part of that is maturing into the position in the NFL and part is OL play.   With a healthy OL, it will be interesting to see if Hurts takes that next step.  Based on his college, I have my doubts but I had the same about Dak Prescott coming out of college so it remains to be seen what develops.  

Despite his flaws coming out of college, I have always admired Hurts drive and attitude.  He is very popular with his teammates.  I think that the Eagles offense is getting some solid camaraderie in the locker room in the offensive skill positions and that can lead to the kind of cohesiveness that makes the sum greater than the parts.  I think we had that with Graham and Cox on the DL and it looks like maybe the LBs are getting a bit of that.  You could see glimpses of it when Singleton and Wilson were on the field and I think maybe even a bit of Edwards.  Someone has to step up in that DB group to band them.   Banded secondaries watch out for each other and I don’t think this one is anywhere close to that.  

If he decreases the punishment taken on those plays, that's good.  But he still needs to work on being more of a pocket passer, who has the extra benefit of mobility.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Maybe he should not do gymnastics until he proves he is healthy enough to play and prove he was worth a second round pick.

 

It's ok, we also have the guy whose been a journeyman whose knack is bad practice habits who just lost his spot on the 53 doing other mat routines

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Maybe he should not do gymnastics until he proves he is healthy enough to play and prove he was worth a second round pick.

 

Remember when Desean Jackson came back for that one game against Dallas... and decided to do a cartwheel/flip or whatever into the end zone, and spent the rest of the season on IR?   Someone needs to sit Dickerson down and have a conversation with him.  If he's 'limited' in practice, he can't be doing cartwheels.  Just dumb.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Maybe he should not do gymnastics until he proves he is healthy enough to play and prove he was worth a second round pick.

 

If he can live up to his billing, and even take over for Seumalo (who I like) this year, and the rest of the line can stay healthy....my god, the size/athleticism of Mailata/Dickerson/Kecle/Brooks/Lane is ridiculous. Like easily in the running for best line in the league. Of course, there's probably no chance all of that comes together, unfortunately. 

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Once or twice a half at the most, really... just enough to make them pay on a big 3rd down conversion when you need it.  The biggest issue with Hurts' running last year was that he was still running like a college QB... putting his shoulder down, rather than sliding when it was over.   Run the RPO... take the easy yards, slide down and jog back to the huddle.  If the RPO is doing its job properly, you are running around a clean edge with green grass in front of you and you get an easy 5-10 yards on a 3rd and 2.  Take the easy cash, no hit and keep the chains moving.   BUT... don't lower the shoulder, don't fight for extra yards, don't expose yourself for a meaningless yard or two at the end.   The number of carries is far less important than the punishment that those carries bring.   If the defense never learns and just keeps giving you an easy 5+ yards and you get down and move the sticks without being touched... great... do it all day.   But, if you are doing it and fighting for yards... STOP!!!

The biggest concern I have is that in Preseason game 1, we saw Hurts flushed from the pocket on a 3rd and 5ish.. have two defenders in front of him and he put his shoulder down to try to run them over... in a preseason game.  That's why I wanted him in the games in the preseason... to learn and to have the chance to put into practice not doing stupid stuff like that.  You can't get that in practice, because in practice... they blow the whistle and the play ends before the contact is made.  He doesn't really learn not to do that.  It's an issue for him, and I am hoping to see significant progress in that department this year.   

 

 

That's not an RPO, it's a read-option. Not the same thing at all. Just saying.

Just now, justrelax said:

That's not an RPO, it's a read-option. Not the same thing at all. Just saying.

Yeah... that's true.  My bad.  I know better, but my fingers were just going on their own. 

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah... that's true.  My bad.  I know better, but my fingers were just going on their own. 

 

My fingers too, all too often.

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

My fingers too, all too often.

 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah... that's true.  My bad.  I know better, but my fingers were just going on their own. 

 

My fault for conflating the two originally. Just to clarify, in the RPO, the QB's read is the LB? If he crashes down on the RB, the QB pulls back and makes a throw to the vacated zone? If the LB stays in his zone, then the QB hands off to the RB?

And with read-option, the QB is reading the defensive end; if he crashes down on the RB, the QB keeps and runs, if the DE stays wide, the hand-off is made? 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

It was the same DAL theme as the first 4 games last season, and most of the season before that.  Wouldn't have mattered whether it was TB, CLE, or even the Chargers last night.

58 throws and 14 runs -- in a game that was a one-score lead or deficit pretty much the entire way.  It doesn't work.

TB is the better team.  I think having 4 turnovers and still pulling out a win shows that.  I don't know how Dallas season will turn out, hopefully 0-17, but I'd have to think you'd feel good that you gave the reigning champs and heavy favorite to repeat all they can handle.  People saying SB hangover and all this other stuff......all you heard before the game was TB was gonna destroy them and with Brady he would make sure everyone is super focused.  

We'll see what happens the rest of the way but I don't think they're gonna have Dak throw 60 times a game.  TB has a great run defense and front 7 in total.  Their secondary.....besides Winfield I never even heard of them guys.  So the game plan to throw alot makes sense especially when you have 3 good WRs.  But you're right if they want to be a pass heavy team all year then they'll be around .500 most likely.  

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

 

My fault for conflating the two originally. Just to clarify, in the RPO, the QB's read is the LB? If he crashes down on the RB, the QB pulls back and makes a throw to the vacated zone? If the LB stays in his zone, then the QB hands off to the RB?

And with read-option, the QB is reading the defensive end; if he crashes down on the RB, the QB keeps and runs, if the DE stays wide, the hand-off is made? 

Pretty much. In the RPO it doesn't have to be the LB, it could be a safety but you have the idea down right. Basically the RPO picks on a guy who has run-support responsibilities and coverage responsibilities. On the play-action you see which one he commits to and you choose the other.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

 

My fault for conflating the two originally. Just to clarify, in the RPO, the QB's read is the LB? If he crashes down on the RB, the QB pulls back and makes a throw to the vacated zone? If the LB stays in his zone, then the QB hands off to the RB?

And with read-option, the QB is reading the defensive end; if he crashes down on the RB, the QB keeps and runs, if the DE stays wide, the hand-off is made? 

Pretty much... though on the Read-option, the QB can read whatever defender the play is designed for... usually a lineman, but JR can correct that.   The RPO is a Run-Pass-Option... the Read-option is just a run play... but I think its growing in complexity now and the QB has more liberty on the RPOs to pull and still run... either way the OL are run blocking, so it has to be a quick read and throw by the QB or a run.  Can't hesitate and let the OL get down field.

Anyone taking predictions?

3 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

they faced a top rushing defense and basically we're trailing the entire game. 

I've watched the Eagles drop back 60 times, with the lead and going against the best pass rushing defense. 

says the guy who took the time to quote on it and comment. thank you sir

I'm confused am I supposed to be eating crow ?? They lost didn't they?

You took the time to read through posts to pound your chest about how good the cowboys are even though they lost.... Makes sense. Good luck with your new team

Just now, Ipiggles said:

Anyone taking predictions?

@LeanMeanGM

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Anyone taking predictions?

I predict bacarty will try to bet you about something.

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

TB is the better team.  I think having 4 turnovers and still pulling out a win shows that.  I don't know how Dallas season will turn out, hopefully 0-17, but I'd have to think you'd feel good that you gave the reigning champs and heavy favorite to repeat all they can handle.  People saying SB hangover and all this other stuff......all you heard before the game was TB was gonna destroy them and with Brady he would make sure everyone is super focused.  

We'll see what happens the rest of the way but I don't think they're gonna have Dak throw 60 times a game.  TB has a great run defense and front 7 in total.  Their secondary.....besides Winfield I never even heard of them guys.  So the game plan to throw alot makes sense especially when you have 3 good WRs.  But you're right if they want to be a pass heavy team all year then they'll be around .500 most likely.  

If I were a Dallas fan I would be pissed. They gave that game away. Dumb coaching decisions and a missed chip shot FG and PAT cost them the game. 

Dallas's OL couldn't do much with the Tampa front 7. They pass-blocked quite well but could not generate much in the run game. I thought Smith completely handled  Parsons very well. They'll do better when Martin comes back but that was not the Dallas O I'm used to seeing. And much of their pass  pro success came from the short and intermediate throws Dak was limited to.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

Dallas's OL couldn't do much with the Tampa front 7. They pass-blocked quite well but could not generate much in the run game. I thought Smith completely handled  Parsons very well. They'll do better when Martin comes back but that was not the Dallas O I'm used to seeing. And much of their pass  pro success came from the short and intermediate throws Dak was limited to.

I only caught the 2nd half of the game, but Tyron Smith did not look good to me. Constant holds and he looked very slow. Did you key much on him?

@LeanMeanGM

 

This game is hard to analyze, two bad teams, one playing at home, both new coaching staff.  Gotta give the edge to the better more experienced Qb at home. 

 

Eagles 13- Falcons 24

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Have the misses drive and watch it on your phone. 

I’ll be driving between Pittsburgh and NJ…half that drive probably doesn’t have the service to keep the video from buffering.  Probably easier to just shut off the phone and watch the game when I get home.  

4 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm confused am I supposed to be eating crow ?? They lost didn't they?

You took the time to read through posts to pound your chest about how good the cowboys are even though they lost.... Makes sense. Good luck with your new team

Trailing the entire game  It was a 1 score game minus a 6 minute stretch in the 3rd quarter.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If I were a Dallas fan I would be pissed. They gave that game away. Dumb coaching decisions and a missed chip shot FG and PAT cost them the game. 

Totally agree.  I'd also come away believing they can hang with anyone, at least if that were the Eagles playing the Bucs last night with a similar outcome. 

Maybe they go downhill from here.  Same coaching mistakes, too much passing with Dak when it's not needed, missed FGs, maybe they get hit with injuries, etc.

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

@LeanMeanGM

 

This game is hard to analyze, two bad teams, one playing at home, both new coaching staff.  Gotta give the edge to the better more experienced Qb at home. 

 

Eagles 13- Falcons 24

Got it. I'm also taking bonus predictions if you want to give one. Can be anything about this weeks game. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I only caught the 2nd half of the game, but Tyron Smith did not look good to me. Constant holds and he looked very slow. Did you key much on him?

Pretty easy when you get away with holding 

He's been a disaster for them so far