3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Got it. I'm also taking bonus predictions if you want to give one. Can be anything about this weeks game. 

Pretty easy when you get away with holding 

@LeanMeanGM  Bonus Prediction.

Kyle Pitts and Ryan abuse our questionable LB's and DB's      7 - 108 and 1 TD

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Got it. I'm also taking bonus predictions if you want to give one. Can be anything about this weeks game. 

Pretty easy when you get away with holding 

https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1436328911860817923?s=20

 

What a joke PFF is sometimes. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1436328911860817923?s=20

 

What a joke PFF is sometimes. 

This is the TD to Cooper.  Smith gets beat off the snap and he has Dak in his sights.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Not as much as I enjoy making him look like a complete clown.

He has soared to the top of the EMB 🤡 rankings.  And he has the lead by a mile.

It is one thing to have idiotic hot takes for attention, but stepping up to getting caught straight up lying is next level.

Dude, you've done nothing when you've bested a fool

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

This is the TD to Cooper.  Smith gets beat off the snap and he has Dak in his sights.

That's Collins

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Dude, you've done nothing when you've bested a fool

There is that, but the entertainment value is hard to pass up.  I guess I enjoy things some of you do not.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

There is that, but the entertainment value is hard to pass up.  I guess I enjoy things some of you do not.

Oh yeah, my bad.

22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If he decreases the punishment taken on those plays, that's good.  But he still needs to work on being more of a pocket passer, who has the extra benefit of mobility.

Absolutely.  That can be said about 85% of the QBs transitioning to the NFL from college these days.  Fits at least half of the first round QBs this year, certainly Fields and Lance. Heck, Trevor Lawrence ran about 25% of the time in college.  Wilson close to 30%.  Only Mac Jones didn’t run much at all (to get out of trouble mostly, which rarely happened at Alabama.  

I do think the level of success Hurts had at running the ball in college may have impacted his tendencies a bit.  He truly is a dual threat QB.  He needs to have discipline on when to run though. I hope that develops.  I am not convinced that the run option in the RPO shouldn’t be utilized a bit more with him than a couple times a game.  If there is green in front of him, use it a bit, as it will free up the backs a bit more and Gainwell and Scott are going to be dangerous on short passes out of the RPO if the LBs are frozen watching Hurts. Just get down or go out of bounds. 

3 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Is it just me or did Dak not have throws downfield except for the interception.  

 

I think the game plan was short timing passes. It's not like they were long developing plays.  They were just making short effective throws to WRs taking advantage of man coverage. Even when the Bucs were blitzing Dak wasn't holding onto the ball.  So in those 63 dropbacks, I don't think there were many that Dak was holding onto the ball for more than 4 seconds.  I also think they were just flat out mugging the Bucs d-line towards the end of the game.  

There's no question that the Cowboys have a very good offense but I also didn't see very much in the way of explosive plays.  I think they had a very good game plan against the Bucs.  I didn't think the Bucs did much defensively to change things up except moving to more of a cover 2 look in the 2nd half.  

I think it was a lot of short to intermediate passes. Probably in the gameplan because they figured some of the short passes were better than handing the ball off to zeke ans he gets stuffed for 1-2 yards as the bucs run defense finished first in the league last year. Plus short and intermediate they got the ball out quicker. The bucs pass rush is pretty good. They also come with depth and in waves. Having Dak sit back there and trying for big vertical plays minus Martin was likely not ideal and would’ve led to him getting hit more and potential sacks.

Add on the bucs once they lost Murphy-bunting really struggled at corner so why run against the best run defense when the bucs were hurting at corner. the bucs really could not cover cooper and Lamb consistently even on the short to intermediate routes. I felt Lamb could have had an even bigger night if he didn’t have like 2-3 passes he should’ve caught. Even on the int lamb should’ve had that catch. 

as Much as it pains me to say and McCarthy is still not that good of a coach, i thought their game plan to attack the bucs was good. Especially once bunting left the game. If I’m the bucs i look to try and trade for another corner of Murphy-bunting is out for a long period of time or the season. I’d say if the eagles were out of it by the deadline trade for slay but the cap ramification i don’t think allow for it. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's Collins

Yep.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

This is the TD to Cooper.  Smith gets beat off the snap and he has Dak in his sights.

That looks more like collins (71) got absolutely destroyed on that play.  

Sirianni just said McLeod and Dickerson are out Sunday

 

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sirianni just said McLeod and Dickerson are out Sunday

Not surprising. He say anything about Brooks?

EDIT: Twitter with the answer

 

Just now, vikas83 said:

Not surprising. He say anything about Brooks?

Playing

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t think so. If there was enough contact there to throw the DB off balance, then that would be illegal contact by the DB. I believe the DB was on his heals, which happens as you try to close on the WR but not enough extension for a push off to be called.  Too close to call OPI just like too close to call illegal contact on the DB.  You have to keep in mind how the camera focus and speed was as you were watching the replay.  You couldn’t really see the DB’s feet but the body language suggests they are in front of him, thus on his heels. 

CB was also grabbing the WR, so it was more the refs "letting them play."

31 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Dallas's OL couldn't do much with the Tampa front 7. They pass-blocked quite well but could not generate much in the run game. I thought Smith completely handled  Parsons very well. They'll do better when Martin comes back but that was not the Dallas O I'm used to seeing. And much of their pass  pro success came from the short and intermediate throws Dak was limited to.

On the subject of Dallas' OL.    I haven't made a study of Tyron Smith over the years, but last night his technique just seemed really off.   In his back pedal, his arms would flair out wide and then he'd just bring them in grabbing the DE around the shoulders and just locking him up there.   I'm pretty sure he could have had a penalty called for holding on just about any play that the zebras wanted to.     Am I mistaken in that observation, or was he just really sloppy?     I'm not nearly as attuned to the OL play as you are, but I don't think I've ever noticed an OT that spreads his arms out while setting and then just grabbing the DLs.    Is it me, or was it him?   I don't think I saw a single play that he was on screen where he delivered a punch to the DE after setting... just grabbing and holding.

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Sirianni just said McLeod and Dickerson are out Sunday

No surprise there.  With limited practice and so close to their injuries, that makes sense.  What won’t make sense is if McLeod is still inactive game 7. 

32 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I only caught the 2nd half of the game, but Tyron Smith did not look good to me. Constant holds and he looked very slow. Did you key much on him?

Same.

27 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Got it. I'm also taking bonus predictions if you want to give one. Can be anything about this weeks game. 

Pretty easy when you get away with holding 

It's not holding if they don't call it. Very early in the game it became clear that holding on the OL wasn't going to be called much. So, the OL adjusted and took what the zebras gave them. Both teams did it and the refs were pretty consistent so, OK.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sirianni just said McLeod and Dickerson are out Sunday

But he is fine for his gymnastics meet on Saturday

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Got it. I'm also taking bonus predictions if you want to give one. Can be anything about this weeks game. 

Pretty easy when you get away with holding 

And people wonder why PFF doesn't mean jack squat to me.   He, frankly, looked terrible to me, but was allowed to get away with it pretty much at will.   I guess that's the benefit of being an All-Pro for so long, you get the benefit of the doubt.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

I guess the question becomes what's the right number? I'd generally say I'd like to only see a few "designed" QB runs, and more early than late, to get the defense thinking about it. You can use the RPO's later, when the defense is a little more tired, and hopefully catch the DE crashing down on the RB (this also needs our RBs to be able to run up the middle successfully). 

But yes, that Saints game is not what we should be looking for. It will certainly depend on what the defense wants to give you as well. If they play contain with the ends and mush rush with the tackles, then Hurts has to be able to sit in the pocket and make passes. If the d-line is being ultra aggressive and crashing inwards, then I'm OK with a higher number of carries for Hurts. It all comes down to efficiency, ultimately. 

Also depends if they're in zone or man, in man, if the pocket breaks down and no one is open, there are usually wide open running lanes against man as defenders run downfield, if Hurts can gain 10+ yards on those scrambles, run the ball, just get out of bounds or get down and don't take big hits.

Hurts looks down field when he breaks the pocket, he just doesn't tuck the ball away and take off. In that case, his running can open things up as defenders have to choose between giving him rushing yards or leaving their man and giving him an open target.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sirianni just said McLeod and Dickerson are out Sunday

 

 

Nice that it's not all guessing and kept a secret

26 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1436328911860817923?s=20

 

What a joke PFF is sometimes. 

sometimes?   

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

On the subject of Dallas' OL.    I haven't made a study of Tyron Smith over the years, but last night his technique just seemed really off.   In his back pedal, his arms would flair out wide and then he'd just bring them in grabbing the DE around the shoulders and just locking him up there.   I'm pretty sure he could have had a penalty called for holding on just about any play that the zebras wanted to.     Am I mistaken in that observation, or was he just really sloppy?     I'm not nearly as attuned to the OL play as you are, but I don't think I've ever noticed an OT that spreads his arms out while setting and then just grabbing the DLs.    Is it me, or was it him?   I don't think I saw a single play that he was on screen where he delivered a punch to the DE after setting... just grabbing and holding.

 

The All-22 isn't out yet. I'll hopefully have something worth saying after I've watched it.

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Absolutely.  That can be said about 85% of the QBs transitioning to the NFL from college these days.  Fits at least half of the first round QBs this year, certainly Fields and Lance. Heck, Trevor Lawrence ran about 25% of the time in college.  Wilson close to 30%.  Only Mac Jones didn’t run much at all (to get out of trouble mostly, which rarely happened at Alabama.  

I do think the level of success Hurts had at running the ball in college may have impacted his tendencies a bit.  He truly is a dual threat QB.  He needs to have discipline on when to run though. I hope that develops.  I am not convinced that the run option in the RPO shouldn’t be utilized a bit more with him than a couple times a game.  If there is green in front of him, use it a bit, as it will free up the backs a bit more and Gainwell and Scott are going to be dangerous on short passes out of the RPO if the LBs are frozen watching Hurts. Just get down or go out of bounds. 

Agreed... but I don't care about 85% of the QBs transitioning to the NFL.