Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

At the end of the first half? Yeah that was ridiculous. But hey its Brady so of course they reversed that decision. 

Because it is impossible to assess Hurts, or any QB, when the play calling is so dam atrocious that's why. I'm not saying Hurts is the answer. After yesterday I certainly feel less confident than I was (and I wasn't entirely sold before) but Sirianni is the big issue here. He isn't just making rookie HC calls that could be excused. The whole thing is a mess. 

Guys are open though. You may have a point if he’s throwing to covered receivers, but they’re open and he’s missing them. Even the announcers were shitting on Hurts. 

Hopefully tomorrow night will be more fun. 

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

At the end of the first half? Yeah that was ridiculous. But hey its Brady so of course they reversed that decision. 

Because it is impossible to assess Hurts, or any QB, when the play calling is so dam atrocious that's why. I'm not saying Hurts is the answer. After yesterday I certainly feel less confident than I was (and I wasn't entirely sold before) but Sirianni is the big issue here. He isn't just making rookie HC calls that could be excused. The whole thing is a mess. 

I’ll never understand this. How many times do people from Cosell to Baldinger to Eagles Twitter Hurts fans need to point out missed opportunities, late throws, bad throws, bad decisions and mistakes? No one is saying coaching is perfect but it’s becoming a lazy crutch for a QB who is sucking. The plays are there to be made. The tape is showing it. The QB is the one missing it all. He isn’t missing routine easy throws just because they aren’t running the ball 10 times a half. He’s missing it because he sucks.

 

27 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They might be... But we don't know because Hurts isn't being helped out by the atrocious play calling. And so I can't say Hurts is the biggest issue because it is impossible to determine.

I will tell you when you watch the all 22 or even just the tv version there are open receivers that Jalen hurts is missing and not going through his reads. Or he takes off instead of staying and waiting for the play to develop. Tonight was really bad because he would not keep his eyes down field at times. his eyes would go down towards the pass rush and he would takeoff. I am only through the third quarter of re-watching this and he’s done that at least 3 times.

This game go back to his interception. If you watch that play Jalen Reagor down the right seam is open. Hurts does not take his eyes off his first read. If he did he would’ve had an easy completion to Jalen Reagor which would a kickstart the offense. Instead he threw a bad ball that got intercepted. There’s way too many of those type of plays where there’s open wide receivers or if he went to the right read the Eagles continue drives and move the ball. Four out of the last five games he has not played well. He’s played well in spurts all those games but as an entirety of the game he’s been below average  

To me Sirianni is not doing a very good job playcalling and adjusting to his quarterback and utilizing what his quarterback does well. He also needs to start running the ball more but today was not the day to start that against a team who is going to have historically the best run defense in the entire league’s history. 

 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To me Sirianni is not doing a very good job playcalling and adjusting to his quarterback and utilizing what his quarterback does well. He also needs to start running the ball more but today was not the day to start that against a team who is going to have historically the best run defense in the entire league’s history. 

So at best we have a system QB under a coaching staff that can’t run a system to maximize his strengths.

Hurts isn’t good enough to bail out Sirianni’s bad play calling and Sirianni can’t call certain plays because Hurts can’t run them effectively.

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’ll never understand this. How many times do people from Cosell to Baldinger to Eagles Twitter Hurts fans need to point out missed opportunities, late throws, bad throws, bad decisions and mistakes? No one is saying coaching is perfect but it’s becoming a lazy crutch for a QB who is sucking. The plays are there to be made. The tape is showing it. The QB is the one missing it all. He isn’t missing routine easy throws just because they aren’t running the ball 10 times a half. He’s missing it because he sucks.

 

I look at it this way people did not like when the excuse train was made for Carson Wentz. Last year I was critical of wentz and I was critical of Doug. I didn’t think either one of them did a very good job.

Now you go on Twitter and some people on here are just gonna make the excuses for hurts when they didn’t like when people were making for Carson Wentz. You can’t be hypocritical and bash people when they made excuses for Carson but because you like hurts more or you didn’t like Carson but now you’re willing to accept those the same excuses. It doesn’t work that way.

When you watch the the games and throw away what you hope and want to see and just look what’s actually happening and being honest with it. Because if you’d watched the tape last year and would’ve been unbiased then you should’ve been bashing Carson and Doug. Because neither were up to the quality standard. Just like this year do you have to be honest when watching and say Sirianni has to do a better job getting the running game going to help his QB who’s not a good passer. and he has to make the adjustment for the quarterback he has. but you also have to be honest with yourself and say our quarterback play has not been good since the Atlanta Falcons game outside of the KC game. There are way too many missed throws, underthrows, overthrows, skittish in the pocket, not utilizing the middle of the field and not going through his reads. 

10 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

So at best we have a system QB under a coaching staff that can’t run a system to maximize his strengths.

Hurts isn’t good enough to bail out Sirianni’s bad play calling and Sirianni can’t call certain plays because Hurts can’t run them effectively.

My personal belief and it’s been this way since the day they hired Siriani, they didn’t hire sirianni with the thought that Jalen hurts was going to be their starting quarterback. I think that’s why they didn’t want to trade wentz originally (schefter confirming this multiple times). And once they had to do it, I think that’s why you keep hearing the rumors about them being interested in other quarterbacks such as Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson, Zach Wilson. And I posted on here Tim McManus was 97.5 saying the coaching staff really wasn’t very enamored with jalen Hurts. 

You would hope that Sirianni was smart enough and creative enough to tinker with his offense to cater to what hurts does well. But when you look at Sirianni’s track record with the quarterbacks he’s worked with they are much more closely relatable to someone like Carson Wentz then Jalen hurts

39 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tonight was really bad because he would not keep his eyes down field at times. his eyes would go down towards the pass rush and he would takeoff. I am only through the third quarter of re-watching this and he’s done that at least 3 times.

I have to say... I did notice on the game in '40 that on a lot of plays he's trying to escape the pocket before the play has even really begun. He did look a little all over the place. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I have to say... I did notice on the game in '40 that on a lot of plays he's trying to escape the pocket before the play has even really begun. He did look a little all over the place. 

I thought tonight was worse game he had on the season. Carolina was not good but tonight he was facing a banged up secondary and he was not keeping his eyes down field and worried about the rush, he was not going through his reads, he was taking off way too early and he once again didn’t attack the middle of the field. 

I said last week, from week 5 to 11 (besides lions games) you need to see him improve and getting better each week cause these are the type of defenses and teams that he’ll need to beat to become a high caliber starter in this league. So far we’ve seen no improvement week to week and a lot of the same issues. (This doesn’t excuse sirianni cause i could go into an entire long detailed paragraph about his faults and issues)

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said last week, from week 5 to 11 (besides lions games) you need to see him improve and getting better each week cause these are the type of defenses and teams that he’ll need to beat to become a high caliber starter in this league. So far we’ve seen no improvement week to week and a lot of the same issues. (This doesn’t excuse sirianni cause i could go into an entire long detailed paragraph about his faults and issues)

I think what's worrying for me is that he's looked good in 2 games (ATL and KC). Both are bad defenses. But he's also looked bad against TB and DAL, those are also 2 bad defenses (TB more so against the run). I understand if he struggles against good defenses, that's natural given he's started what 10 games? But he needs to be showing more against those bad to average defenses.

11 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think what's worrying for me is that he's looked good in 2 games (ATL and KC). Both are bad defenses. But he's also looked bad against TB and DAL, those are also 2 bad defenses (TB more so against the run). I understand if he struggles against good defenses, that's natural given he's started what 10 games? But he needs to be showing more against those bad to average defenses.

I actually think Dallas‘s defense is much improved from last year. Statistically you look at their pass defense and you’ll say they’re 32nd so they’re bad. But then you got a remember the last three weeks against the Eagles, the Panthers and the Giants they gave up a bunch of garbage time stats when they were up by 20 points. So it’s not very reflective of how much of an improvement they’ve had this year. I would also add Dan Quinn has them playing very physical. Besides just watching them in the Eagles game, I watched them against Carolina and the Giants. They will punch you in the mouth and they are going to make you feel it on Monday morning. 

 

Are we all at least on the same page that Hurts isn't this teams long term answer?

47 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

So at best we have a system QB under a coaching staff that can’t run a system to maximize his strengths.

Hurts isn’t good enough to bail out Sirianni’s bad play calling and Sirianni can’t call certain plays because Hurts can’t run them effectively.

What kind of system would maximize his strengths though?  You want me to venture up the hill one of these days and have Coach Calhoun send him his playbook?  Even then we don't have the horses for a power run attack.  The scheme pretty much has to be hope we get zone and people continue to get open and at some point maybe he'll  hit a spot and throw a catchable ball.  Even the RPO's he's been abysmal at and that was 90% of the passing game for him at Bama.  His time at OU, we can't ask teams to field Big 12 caliber defenses.  Maybe it'll come, but at this point the game should have slowed down for him...yet it hasn't.  He's hearing and seeing ghosts, missing reads because his eyes drift down and looks like a deer in headlights.

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

What kind of system would maximize his strengths though?  You want me to venture up the hill one of these days and have Coach Calhoun send him his playbook?  Even then we don't have the horses for a power run attack.  The scheme pretty much has to be hope we get zone and people continue to get open and at some point maybe he'll  hit a spot and throw a catchable ball.  Even the RPO's he's been abysmal at and that was 90% of the passing game for him at Bama.  His time at OU, we can't ask teams to field Big 12 caliber defenses.  Maybe it'll come, but at this point the game should have slowed down for him...yet it hasn't.  He's hearing and seeing ghosts, missing reads because his eyes drift down and looks like a deer in headlights.

This part is really concerning because when a young QB starts doing that it is a really hard habit to break 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This part is really concerning because when a young QB starts doing that it is a really hard habit to break 

I might be completely wrong here, but there's times where I swear he forgets to read the defense.  He'll break the huddle and you can tell from his non-verbals he's lost or uncomfortable, then gets to his spot and just stares at Kelce's booty clapping waiting for the ball.

6 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I might be completely wrong here, but there's times where I swear he forgets to read the defense.  He'll break the huddle and you can tell from his non-verbals he's lost or uncomfortable, then gets to his spot and just stares at Kelce's booty clapping waiting for the ball.

I don’t know if it’s he forgets to read the defense but my personal feeling is and isn’t meant to be mean or sound bad but I don’t think he processes what he seeing quick enough so that he can counter and make the better decision or throw with the ball. Maybe with time and more starts under his belt he gets better at that. However that might just be something that’s never going to be his strength. To me a lot of the best quarterbacks in this league it’s second nature. when they see the defense and read the defense and instinctually know how to counter and adjust. 

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I mean, why draft a QB like Hurts and not do it? That’s not Hurts’ fault. They’re asking him to be something he’s not. 

Honestly I don't think he's even all that uber athletic. 

Here's the thing regarding Hurts...

He's not improving, in really any capacity. I'm not saying Sirianni isn't a problem, he is, but Hurts isn't improving. Yes, some of that is on coaching. I'm aware. He consistently under throws players. He consistently misses wide open receivers. He consistently runs around in a panic. He consistently runs to his right and throws it out of bounds.

He consistently makes stupid decisions like throwing the ball out of bounds on a free play or running out of the pocket and sliding to take a loss instead of just throwing it away. 

I know, I know, I'm a "hater", but at some point you would hope that he wouldnt continue to make the SAME MISTAKES seemingly every drive he trots out there. 

You have people in here that absolve him from blame because he "made it a game" and "ran the ball in for two scores". Hogwash. Watch the game. He manages to become a solid running back when the other team laughs themselves into a stupor.

He isn't getting it done and really, it's not even close. There is relatively no growth being displayed.

Hurts looks totally incompetent and we owe it to the good and improving players on both sides of the ball to bench him and try something else, he is a deer in the headlights

I don't think we'll even know if Siri is a good coach if we keep starting Hurts and unless this was a joke hire by Howie that is something we'll need to know

9 minutes ago, BwianWestbwook said:

Hurts looks totally incompetent and we owe it to the good and improving players on both sides of the ball to bench him and try something else, he is a deer in the headlights

I get your point, but we need him to continue to show his inability to play the position to make the decision to replace him indisputable. If there is even the slightest gap, Howie will find a way to buoy his own ego by keeping him around.  We need Hurts' mediocre play and mounting losses to take it out of Howie's hands.

5 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

With an assist from the refs 

Meh.  The refs gave them a free 15, they didn't give them free first downs.

6 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

The biggest void is at starting QB

Which doesn't change the fact that the entire roster is devoid of talent and is poorly coached. Anyone who thinks this team is winning with average QB play is on dope. People just love to find that one thing or person that is to blame for everything. That doesn't apply here.

In the last 5 games, Hurts has 5 passing TDs and 5 rushing TDs.  In the past 2 games, Hurts has 1 passing TD and 4 rushing TD.  That's college level QBing.  

 

An NFL QB doesn't become an NFL QB, until he learns how to play from the pocket and how to pass in the red zone.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In the last 5 games, Hurts has 5 passing TDs and 5 rushing TDs.  In the past 2 games, Hurts has 1 passing TD and 4 rushing TD.  That's college level QBing.  

 

An NFL QB doesn't become an NFL QB, until he learns how to play from the pocket and how to pass in the red zone.  

I think he's been alright in the RZ, some of his best throws have been down there.   That includes that beauty on the 2 pt conversion.  Not that I disagree with the premise of your statement though