2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually think Dallas‘s defense is much improved from last year. Statistically you look at their pass defense and you’ll say they’re 32nd so they’re bad. But then you got a remember the last three weeks against the Eagles, the Panthers and the Giants they gave up a bunch of garbage time stats when they were up by 20 points. So it’s not very reflective of how much of an improvement they’ve had this year. I would also add Dan Quinn has them playing very physical. Besides just watching them in the Eagles game, I watched them against Carolina and the Giants. They will punch you in the mouth and they are going to make you feel it on Monday morning. 

 

I think their defense is better than it was. I don't think it's an awful awful defense but it also isn't a good defense. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

No it isn't. But the offense lacks any kind of fluency and any kind of creation. Its the same thing over and over and over. Siri is not helping Hurts or even helping to assess Hurts. 

No matter what the coach calls, the QB is going to run out of the pocket, lock onto an option, stare him down and then grossly under throw the target. 

im sorry but if your QB cannot execute the simplest of plays and do the basic things you need a QB to do, he is your first problem. The coach may be right behind him but at least for now I’ll say Hurts is completely tying his hands. 

1 minute ago, purplefiggy said:

No matter what the coach calls, the QB is going to run out of the pocket, lock onto an option, stare him down and then grossly under throw the target. 

im sorry but if your QB cannot execute the simplest of plays and do the basic things you need a QB to do, he is your first problem. The coach may be right behind him but at least for now I’ll say Hurts is completely tying his hands. 

See I'm not absolving Hurts of blame... But I'm out on Sirianni. 

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Of course he’s been bad, but he definitely isn’t being put in the best position to succeed. These things aren’t mutually exclusive. 

I think this is a new big BS narrative for people to eat up and you're falling in to the trap.  I guess the Sanders meat on the bone fake news isn't fresh and exciting enough anymore. 

5 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I miss Brandon Graham

I miss 2017. 

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think this is a new big BS narrative for people to eat up and you're falling in to the trap.  I guess the Sanders meat on the bone fake news isn't fresh and exciting enough anymore. 

1) Do you think passing this much is putting Hurts in the best chance to succeed?

2) You miss bad Sanders runs like Sanders misses holes apparently.  

25 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I think he's been alright in the RZ, some of his best throws have been down there.   That includes that beauty on the 2 pt conversion.  Not that I disagree with the premise of your statement though

He has had a handful of good throws there.  But, the statement remains.

Woke up this morning to a lot of Nick Sirianni is awful hot-takes.

 

These plays happen all the time. Clean pocket with "limited" pressure. Hurts bails to his right. If he steps up, easy completion and very likely 1st down to Smith who has leverage and is faster than Dean. These are not even high difficult throws.

A QB who doesn't sit in the pocket, needs to be an elite athlete (Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, etc). Hurts is a good athlete with an average at best arm. It's going to fail.

4 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

It's not coaching when you underthrow a wide open WR. Just saying. 

Or slide for a one yard loss instead of throwing the ball away, or actually throw the ball away on a free play or on 4th down. Plenty wrong with Hurts independent of Sirianni. 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

Rightly he's on the slide out of the door.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

Woke up this morning to a lot of Nick Sirianni is awful hot-takes.

 

These plays happen all the time. Clean pocket with "limited" pressure. Hurts bails to his right. If he steps up, easy completion and very likely 1st down to Smith who has leverage and is faster than Dean. These are not even high difficult throws.

A QB who doesn't sit in the pocket, needs to be an elite athlete (Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, etc). Hurts is a good athlete with an average at best arm. It's going to fail.

Watching that play live... watched him escape to the right, get cut off by the DE, then run through the hole to his left for a conversion.  But, the play was the throw to Smith, but I don't think he ever saw it.  And this was the 3rd play of the game.  

Baldinger picks the play that I screenshoted above.

6 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Or slide for a one yard loss instead of throwing the ball away, or actually throw the ball away on a free play or on 4th down. Plenty wrong with Hurts independent of Sirianni. 

That would have been an ineligible man downfield call, it was another RPO that he didn't throw right away and then ran.  Good defense by the Bucs.  Sliding was the best option, imo.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That would have been an ineligible man downfield call, it was another RPO that he didn't throw right away and then ran.  Good defense by the Bucs.  Sliding was the best option, imo.  

That might have been one of his pass five plays then, huh?

39 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Which doesn't change the fact that the entire roster is devoid of talent and is poorly coached. Anyone who thinks this team is winning with average QB play is on dope. People just love to find that one thing or person that is to blame for everything. That doesn't apply here.

Disagree, there are definitely pieces in place.  The team isnt ready to compete but you can see a path.  With average QB play we're 3-3 at a minimum

How much time, how many potential wins do we want to give up waiting for Hurts to learn something he clearly didnt learn over his first year+ in the league?

Time to cut bait.  The best adjustment Sirianni could make to his offense, by far, is placing Hurts on the bench.

28 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See I'm not absolving Hurts of blame... But I'm out on Sirianni. 

Youre out on Sirianni?  You cant be serious

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They might be... But we don't know because Hurts isn't being helped out by the atrocious play calling. And so I can't say Hurts is the biggest issue because it is impossible to determine.

It doesn’t matter if he’s the biggest issue.  If he’s an issue, he’s not the future.  

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Disagree, there are definitely pieces in place.  The team isnt ready to compete but you can see a path.  With average QB play we're 3-3 at a minimum

How much time, how many potential wins do we want to give up waiting for Hurts to learn something he clearly didnt learn over his first year+ in the league?

Time to cut bait.  The best adjustment Sirianni could make to his offense, by far, is placing Hurts on the bench.

This isn’t a year to try to squeeze out two extra wins. Hurts gets enough of a leash until Minshew is up to speed. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

It doesn’t matter if he’s the biggest issue.  If he’s an issue, he’s not the future.  

No you're probably right he isn't the future. 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Youre out on Sirianni?  You cant be serious

Yeah I'm serious. I could be wrong of course but I'm out on him. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

This isn’t a year to try to squeeze out two extra wins. Hurts gets enough of a leash until Minshew is up to speed. 

Not sure what you mean by squeezing out wins?  It should always be the goal to win. Im just talking about a functional QB that can allow the other young players to develop.

Bending over backwards to accommodate Hurts, just to verify what we already all know, is an exercise in futility and every game now is an opportunity wasted.

I understand your point but Im not interested at all in more designed QB runs and read options.  That's what I would consider trying to  "squeeze out wins" because we'd be running our offense with the sole purpose of making Hurts look legit when we know hes not.   It would be different if they didnt trade for Minshew.

I guess the only question now is "how much leash?" because Id bet that Minshew is already to the point where Hurts is in the offense

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Positive outlook....O-line played the entire game with no one missing a snap.  

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

No you're probably right he isn't the future. 

Yeah I'm serious. I could be wrong of course but I'm out on him. 

Its 6 games into his career man, come on

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This isn’t a year to try to squeeze out two extra wins. Hurts gets enough of a leash until Minshew is up to speed. 

How long could that possibly be?

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Baldinger picks the play that I screenshoted above.

Pretty frustrating.  With a typical/good running quarterback, you can get excited when he's able to scramble and get the first down....if needed.  With Hurts, he bails immediately and forces himself in to a situation where he has to run when the play was there to be made.  He gets the first down and celebrates like it was some great play when in actuality, he broke the play and missed a wide open WR.

I love running quarterbacks, always have, but I like when they have the ability to throw the ball too.  Jalen Hurts isn't even Josh Johnson at this point. 

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This isn’t a year to try to squeeze out two extra wins. Hurts gets enough of a leash until Minshew is up to speed. 

I hope you're right.  

41 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Not sure what you mean by squeezing out wins?  It should always be the goal to win. Im just talking about a functional QB that can allow the other young players to develop.

Bending over backwards to accommodate Hurts, just to verify what we already all know, is an exercise in futility and every game now is an opportunity wasted.

I understand your point but Im not interested at all in more designed QB runs and read options.  That's what I would consider trying to  "squeeze out wins" because we'd be running our offense with the sole purpose of making Hurts look legit when we know hes not.   It would be different if they didnt trade for Minshew.

I guess the only question now is "how much leash?" because Id bet that Minshew is already to the point where Hurts is in the offense

More designed QB runs is catering to your QB’s skill set, which every play caller should do. We’re asking him to win in ways he obviously can’t. We all knew when he was drafted that his running ability was his best asset.