1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Understood, but to write him off is incredibly premature.  He was handed a deficient roster and a deficient QB, unlike some other young/first time HCs he doesnt even have any elder statesmen to help his learning curve, so se OJT should be expected

But clearly, his scheme works. He just needs to get a better feel for the nuances that can only be gained through experience.  And by everything Ive seen, the players are engaged and playing hard, Im not getting any Chip Kelly vibes from Nick at all. 

I’m sure the board would have been really patient with a first time coach like Reid too. And I remember people talking about firing Doug late in his first year.

People have absolutely no patience.  

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I love the overreactions after a lose.

TB is the best team in the NFL right now, we played them on a short week. We still managed to hang in there.

Hurts looks lost a bit, but he never gives up, mental toughness does matter.

This season is about player evaluation, and frankly until you have a credible alternative (not Minshew), I'd stick with Hurts - guess who the three worst starting QBs are right now?

Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Mac Jones is the best looking of the rookie QBs, but still well out of the top 20.

Which is why I'd never trade up for a young QB, the risk is so high you're better off being patient and wasting one top pick instead of 2 or 3.

He never gives up? The guy constantly throws the ball out of bounds on free plays, slides behind the los, bails on the pocket. Hurts consistently gives up on the plays and reverts to back yard football.

We cannot evaluate any players if they are doing the scramble drill the entire game.

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

More designed QB runs is catering to your QB’s skill set, which every play caller should do. We’re asking him to win in ways he obviously can’t. We all knew when he was drafted that his running ability was his best asset. 

You really want more QB runs?  

Isnt that the same as trying to "squeeze out wins?" That is not a long term solution on offense and its not even sustainable this year alone.  

Im certainly not going to argue that he should be handing it off more.   But games like yesterday will absolutely come along where there are tons of plays to be made from the pocket.  He has shown almost zero development there.  

I said it a few weeks ago, hes putting Sirianni in the tough position of having to divert plays that he knows will work for simple plays with low risk/low reward?

Its time to step back and ask what we're doing.  Are we the Philadelphia Jalen Hurts or the Eagles? 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

That's fine.  And the "new" thinking about aggressiveness is something that he should get more comfortable with.  He isn't limited there.

He seems to be getting better as a game manager.  The jury is still out on him as the play caller, given the sabotage being done by his QB.

 

I refuse to believe the analytics guy in his ear wasn’t saying that’s a clear go for it situation. 

I wouldn't mind more QB keepers if Hurts wasn't so MF'ing slow. At this point, I'm not sure even Greg Roman could salvage this offense. We blowwwwwwww.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

You really want more QB runs?  

Isnt that the same as trying to "squeeze out wins?" That is not a long term solution on offense and its not even sustainable this year alone.  

Im certainly not going to argue that he should be handing it off more.   But games like yesterday will absolutely come along where there are tons of plays to be made from the pocket.  He has shown almost zero development there.  

I said it a few weeks ago, hes putting Sirianni in the tough position of having to divert plays that he knows will work for simple plays with low risk/low reward?

Its time to step back and ask what we're doing.  Are we the Philadelphia Jalen Hurts or the Eagles? 

No, it’s putting him in the best position to succeed while he develops. The Eagles are skipping steps B, C, D and E in his progression. 

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I love the overreactions after a lose.

TB is the best team in the NFL right now, we played them on a short week. We still managed to hang in there.

Hurts looks lost a bit, but he never gives up, mental toughness does matter.

This season is about player evaluation, and frankly until you have a credible alternative (not Minshew), I'd stick with Hurts - guess who the three worst starting QBs are right now?

Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Mac Jones is the best looking of the rookie QBs, but still well out of the top 20.

Which is why I'd never trade up for a young QB, the risk is so high you're better off being patient and wasting one top pick instead of 2 or 3.

I admire your eternal optimism, but I'd hardly call this an overreaction.  Hurts has been passable at best as an NFL QB for small spurts so far.  Outside of that he's been a disaster.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I refuse to believe the analytics guy in his ear wasn’t saying that’s a clear go for it situation. 

 

It seems to have been the correct decision.

7 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Dude is in way over his head.

He is, but I still believe Howie/Lurie/analytical dept are having a strong influence on the way game planning goes.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

It seems to have been the correct decision.

In my face. I stand corrected. 

I know Pagnetti was shocked we kicked. 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

It seems to have been the correct decision.

Yeah I think the key is the distance and time left. If it's 4th and 6 with 7 min left, different story.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

In my face. I stand corrected. 

I know Pagnetti was shocked we kicked. 

4th & 10 is hard to convert!

Just now, RLC said:

4th & 10 is hard to convert!

We were facing a team with a makeshift back 7 and facing the greatest QB of all time. 

That analytics model says it was a toss up, but I think it was an easy go. 

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I love the overreactions after a lose.

TB is the best team in the NFL right now, we played them on a short week. We still managed to hang in there.

Hurts looks lost a bit, but he never gives up, mental toughness does matter.

This season is about player evaluation, and frankly until you have a credible alternative (not Minshew), I'd stick with Hurts - guess who the three worst starting QBs are right now?

Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Mac Jones is the best looking of the rookie QBs, but still well out of the top 20.

Which is why I'd never trade up for a young QB, the risk is so high you're better off being patient and wasting one top pick instead of 2 or 3.

Why is Minshew not credible?  He clearly is credible

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

not arguing that one bit.  I don't understand one bit.

Heck, even Gainwell only had 1 touch last night.  

I literally have no idea what this team is doing.

And that's why I'm out on Sirianni. 

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I thought we looked more unprepared against Carolina. Last night was almost all on Hurts. 

My concern with Sirianni last night was kicking the FG in the fourth quarter  Mind boggling. 

 

I was for of them going for the first down instead of the FG because I didn’t believe the Eagles defense was good enough to get them 2 more possessions even if they made the field goal. Which it played out, they didn’t get two more possessions and only got 1 more.

additionally i thought Arians made a mistake for going for it on 4th and 3 from the 46. I’m sure the analytics say to go for it in that position but factoring in the Eagles offense had look like crap all night I would’ve punted the ball and tried to pin the Eagles. so they would have to go 90+ yards to score another touchdown when the Eagles couldn’t move the ball efficiently or very fast. 

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I love the overreactions after a lose.

TB is the best team in the NFL right now, we played them on a short week. We still managed to hang in there.

Hurts looks lost a bit, but he never gives up, mental toughness does matter.

This season is about player evaluation, and frankly until you have a credible alternative (not Minshew), I'd stick with Hurts - guess who the three worst starting QBs are right now?

Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Mac Jones is the best looking of the rookie QBs, but still well out of the top 20.

Which is why I'd never trade up for a young QB, the risk is so high you're better off being patient and wasting one top pick instead of 2 or 3.

Hard to evaluate the WR position when your QB drops his eyes after the 1st read, leaves clean pockets, is consistently late on timing routes, under or over throwing deep routes, etc...There is no consistency with him.

I wanted Hurts to be the guy because that's what is best for this team.  These last 2 weeks have really accentuated the concerns for him coming into the season.  Yeah he's a gamer and a leader but he's failing at the basic QB functions on the field which I hoped he'd improve on.  I have some concerns with NS and the lack of any coherent run game, but there are players open who are just not being seen by the one read, running QB.  We see it week in and week out.  I think he's being handicapped by Hurts in the passing game.  It's why we run so many screens.  One read quick throws that takes the thinking out of Hurts' hands.

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The lack of run plays.  If they are scripted, they aren't even thinking about running the ball right?  They are going in to the game knowing that they are going to be pass happy again with a QB who can't pass.

Shouldn't Sirianni be like oh damn, I should help my QB with my solid RB duo?

That and the offense is getting worse, not better, the Bucs were last against the pass giving up over 300 passing yards a game and Hurts had 115, under 50% completion % and 6 of 12 completions were at LOS, or behind it against a team that’s crippled in the defensive backfield. 

38 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The lack of run plays.  If they are scripted, they aren't even thinking about running the ball right?  They are going in to the game knowing that they are going to be pass happy again with a QB who can't pass.

Shouldn't Sirianni be like oh damn, I should help my QB with my solid RB duo?

I’m not talking about other games because they should run the ball more against other teams. I’m just talking about the Buccaneers game specifically. The Buccaneers went into that game with a number one rush defense and a historic rush defense. Meanwhile their pass defense is ranked 25th in the league and was down 2 starting corners, lost Richard Sherman in that game and were down a starting safety.

The game plan should’ve been to throw the ball against the Buccaneers in order to win the football game. The two games where the Buccaneers almost lost and lost, the two teams the Rams and Cowboys threw the ball. Take away Dak’s scrambles (which were 4 that were designed pass plays) the cowboys threw 83% of the time in that game. The rams jumped out to a 31-14 lead by throwing it 33 times and running it 12. 

If we were talking about going into the future and in previous games I 100% agree with you they need to run the ball more. However in order to beat the Buccaneers team you better be able to throw the ball and do it well especially when down an entire secondary 

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Zero chance. 

Tampa took their foot off the gas and was able to turn it back on whenever they wanted.

This isnt true at all, we legit had a shot to win.  Dumb penalty and a miracle throw to Brown between two defenders

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats not.a head coach thing, thats a lack of talent(physical and mental)

I went to a local high school game a couple weeks back and i watched both teams run rub out. Ward, Reagor arent NFL WR's. Quez I think is extremely questionable as a WR. (reminds me of a C. Patterson where hes not a rb, not a wr, but need to get him the ball). 

Getting pushed out of bonds...again... player issue. 

NS has schemed guys open often while having an underarmed, under defense reading QB in a system that NS hasnt used/worked with before . 

IF anything NS is a bright spot

Are you drunk?

Ive never seen Cordarelle Patterson show instincts like Watkinshas, going up and high pointing it, toe dragging, etc.

13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why is Minshew not credible?  He clearly is credible

He won’t answer that 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

1) Do you think passing this much is putting Hurts in the best chance to succeed?

2) You miss bad Sanders runs like Sanders misses holes apparently.  

Ive noticed Sanders doing that on occasion. In reality any RB you look at under that microscope will do the same. People talk about it him here all of a sudden as if hes CJ Spiller. Its ridiculous. 

And yes, Hurts should be able to pass this much. The problem isnt that he doesnt fit the offense. Its that he doesnt fit the QB position. These passing plays are designed for him to succeed, and he still cant do it. Its not an offense problem at all.

12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why is Minshew not credible?  He clearly is credible

If Jax never even considered him a starting QB, he's a fill-in. But why give up on Hurts to play a fill-in who might win you one more game (he'll pass better, but until the OL is fixed, he'll also get sacked more and not pick up 1st downs with his legs).

The only reason to bench Hurts is if he's in a total funk, but his 2nd half performances show he has the mental toughness to hang in there. The only way a young QB learns to see the field is by playing - what he needs are some weak defenses to get some confidence throwing the ball.

The next two years are all about rebuilding and evaluation, you can see Gannon slowly building a defense, but they need a lot more horses, and on offense, they need to transition to a new OL (Howie was probably hoping to spread that over two seasons and gradually phase out Kelce, Brooks and Lane).

So QB doesn't really matter until they build a team. We've seen too many high QB draft picks crash and burn on bad teams - build the team, then find the QB.

Meanwhile, if you give Hurts a chance to prove himself, and he falls short, he's the kind of kid who'd be a solid backup and good clubhouse presence if he feels he got a fair shot.

Two things most people should be able to agree on:

1)  The offense is too predictable and one-dimensional

2)  The head coach and QB are not on the same page

 

I will wholeheartedly agree that Nick needs to install/run more plays with QB under center and mix running plays in with play action.  Right now defenses know going in what the Eagles will be running; there's no mystery at all.  Yes, there are 3 starting OL out right now but the depth players have been fine.  It's not the parade of scrubs on the OL like last season.  The ball can be run; they're just not doing it.

Absolutely disagree that there needs to be more designing the offense to what Hurts does well.  Hurts needs to run the offense well.  You can't design an entire playbook based on getting your QB more chances to run -- he's running too much already.  The ball needs to come out on time, on script and on target.  It's very plain to see that isn't happening.  If Hurts starts all 17 games then the organization needs to see development, growth, progression.  So far, 10 games in (yes, 10 games) I'm not seeing much Hurts is doing better than he was in his first career NFL starts last season.