26 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I love the overreactions after a lose.

TB is the best team in the NFL right now, we played them on a short week. We still managed to hang in there.

Hurts looks lost a bit, but he never gives up, mental toughness does matter.

This season is about player evaluation, and frankly until you have a credible alternative (not Minshew), I'd stick with Hurts - guess who the three worst starting QBs are right now?

Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Mac Jones is the best looking of the rookie QBs, but still well out of the top 20.

Which is why I'd never trade up for a young QB, the risk is so high you're better off being patient and wasting one top pick instead of 2 or 3.

A season can never be about player evaluation.  Practice, pre-season, post draft camps are  about player evaluation, games are about winning.

Hurts had one OK game this season against Atlanta.  Otherwise, the evaluation is over.  Good mental toughness, poor mental acumen.   And worst of all, in my opinion, poor habits related to pocket awareness.  The Ealges had less than 100 yards of offense in the first half.  There can be no overreaction to that.  113 yards passing and it wasn't because receivers were blanketed.  Receivers were actually wide open.  WIDE.  He completed 12-26.  The Eagles held the ball for 20 minutes.  Tampa is good, but not that good on defense.  I was hopeful for Hurts but he just isn't an NFL QB.  

I agree that we should not throw our picks into a pot to draft a QB, at least not this coming draft.  But there are drafts where the QBs are good enough to do so.

I was surprised there wasnt more complaining about this play last night.

What makes it even worse, is the elbows Brady purposely threw in Barnett's face, as you can see in the first embedded video on this article

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/watch-an-official-try-to-keep-an-eagles-defender-from-blocking-tom-brady-during-a-play-021204393.html

The refs are a joke this year , lots of missed  calls last night

the taunting for one 

eagles OL got away with a cpl holding penalties 

just bad all around the NFL 

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

eagles OL got away with a cpl holding penalties 

both OL held, but when you call it at no one, it's a lot easier to not get upset about that.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Clearly his scheme works?  What scheme?  How is it working?

 

He is in over his head.  He is under-qualified.  He was option #10 for a reason.  Lowie has lost their way and any benefit of the doubt.  The quicker you come to terms with that the better.  The fans will start to come to terms with it and the Linc will start to reflect their apathy.  

Thats too hot take-ish for me.  

Im going to give him time like any other HC deserves.  Hes playing with a half-functioning QB.

I mean his scheme clearly works because guys are open all over the field.  He knows how to draw up a play.  Ive seen some boneheaded calls and decisions too, but please point out all these infallible coaches or candidates or playcallers who never make mistakes

Its the hallmark of Philly fans to only accept some ideal perfection that we've actually never even seen

Weak PI call on Edwards

penalties killed Bucs secondary 

PI for 45 yards , TD birds

PI  for 50 yards TD birds

 

Just to point this out, but outside of the atlanta game the eagles have been down double digits in every single game this year. 

Sf— down 14

dallas— down 20 and then 27

KC— down 18

panthers— 12

Bucs— 21 

when I went back and rewatch the game it felt like once the bucs got up 21 points they thought the Eagles would just roll over and die and took their foot off the gas. Their offense felt like they were just trying to milk the clock and get out of the game without suffering an injury instead of like last week where brady went for the annihilation and total embarrassment of the dolphins.

At the end when the bucs needed to move the ball they made plays and would have scored if they didn’t just kneel down and run the clock out. And before anybody says well they got a phantom penalty to help, the Eagles being a dumb team put themselves in a position to get that dumb penalty call. Avery needs to be smarter and just go back to the huddle and not even risk putting himself in that position 

32 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

IF anything NS is a bright spot

NS is definitely not a bright spot. He's bad, really bad. 

Penalties killed Buc secondary b/c they were committing PI on every other play, Reagor had two none calls on 3rd down that were clearly PI (grabbing the WR's arm?).

Geez, I love fans:

Pre-season - trade everyone for draft picks, rebuild

Regular season - bench the young QB for a JAG, why can't we beat top teams with our lack of talent?

We knew this was going to be a three year process, that there were going to be a lot of growing pains, so stop whining.

Young QBs struggle, especially on bad teams where they're asked to do too much. Get over it.

I've seen really bad teams, I've seen HCs lose teams, we're not seeing anything like that here. So relax.

 

Process or not , the thing you want to see is week over week improvement , by both the players and the coaching staff 

2 big boys

 

 

Hey Jalen: 

 

 

I'll be very curious to see how the next 2 weeks go; both very winnable games against a Raiders team in some state of disarray (Gruden wasn't just head coach; he had his hands in everything there) and the Lions, who are a terrible franchise every year and a winless team.  After that, Chargers will be very tough but Broncos and Saints are "meh"

I picked the team to be 2-7 after 9 games then go 5-3 on the easier back half.  Wins in the next 2 games would be a good sign for a young team.

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just to point this out, but outside of the atlanta game the eagles have been down double digits in every single game this year. 

Sf— down 14

dallas— down 20 and then 27

KC— down 18

panthers— 12

Bucs— 21 

when I went back and rewatch the game it felt like once the bucs got up 21 points they thought the Eagles would just roll over and die and took their foot off the gas. Their offense felt like they were just trying to milk the clock and get out of the game without suffering an injury instead of like last week where brady went for the annihilation and total embarrassment of the dolphins.

At the end when the bucs needed to move the ball they made plays and would have scored if they didn’t just kneel down and run the clock out. And before anybody says well they got a phantom penalty to help, the Eagles being a dumb team put themselves in a position to get that dumb penalty call. Avery needs to be smarter and just go back to the huddle and not even risk putting himself in that position

Yup. I just said in another thread, blame the league for going soft. The officials are calling what the league told them to. Avery needs to know this and have better situational awareness. 

1 hour ago, greend said:

He isn't "afraid of making mistakes" he panics and makes them like crazy.  Stupid, stupid, stupid pick. Howie should be freaking castrated for this.

A bit extreme.  I'll settle for him being fired.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I thought we looked more unprepared against Carolina. Last night was almost all on Hurts. 

My concern with Sirianni last night was kicking the FG in the fourth quarter  Mind boggling. 

On 4th and 10, with a QB struggling to throw, I can see that and hope to get it to where a TD & 2 pt plus another FG gets you to OT.  It wasn't a terrible move.  And frankly, that's the type of FG that our kicker should be able to nail. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I love the overreactions after a lose.

TB is the best team in the NFL right now, we played them on a short week. We still managed to hang in there.

Hurts looks lost a bit, but he never gives up, mental toughness does matter.

This season is about player evaluation, and frankly until you have a credible alternative (not Minshew), I'd stick with Hurts - guess who the three worst starting QBs are right now?

Lawrence, Wilson and Fields. Mac Jones is the best looking of the rookie QBs, but still well out of the top 20.

Which is why I'd never trade up for a young QB, the risk is so high you're better off being patient and wasting one top pick instead of 2 or 3.

The Cardinals are insulted. 

 

Define never giving up?  Never giving up on the game, or on a play, or on making the reads and sticking with the script?

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Fire Howie Roseman

But, it wasn't him, it was the one armed man.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

On 4th and 10, with a QB struggling to throw, I can see that and hope to get it to where a TD & 2 pt plus another FG gets you to OT.  It wasn't a terrible move.  And frankly, that's the type of FG that our kicker should be able to nail. 

It’s honestly the type of thing that Jake Elliott has done over the last two years. The Eagles are gaining some momentum and playing with some swagger and then all the sudden he comes out there and misses a kick. 

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If Jax never even considered him a starting QB, he's a fill-in. But why give up on Hurts to play a fill-in who might win you one more game (he'll pass better, but until the OL is fixed, he'll also get sacked more and not pick up 1st downs with his legs).

The only reason to bench Hurts is if he's in a total funk, but his 2nd half performances show he has the mental toughness to hang in there. The only way a young QB learns to see the field is by playing - what he needs are some weak defenses to get some confidence throwing the ball.

The next two years are all about rebuilding and evaluation, you can see Gannon slowly building a defense, but they need a lot more horses, and on offense, they need to transition to a new OL (Howie was probably hoping to spread that over two seasons and gradually phase out Kelce, Brooks and Lane).

So QB doesn't really matter until they build a team. We've seen too many high QB draft picks crash and burn on bad teams - build the team, then find the QB.

Meanwhile, if you give Hurts a chance to prove himself, and he falls short, he's the kind of kid who'd be a solid backup and good clubhouse presence if he feels he got a fair shot.

I view Hurts as a "fill in" and I think you probably do too

Id rather Minshew be my fill in than Hurts, thats my point.  

Clearly Minshew has demonstrated that he can be a backup as well.  I dont see any boxes that Hurts checks and Minshew doesnt

 

21 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hmmmm.....

Its not a hot take to look a guys wide open and identify that theyre wide open

So I will point out the obvious here, but Since 2005 we really have had only one season where we were an actual contender - 2017 -  Great Season.

We have had 5 Seasons of 10 or more wins but only one season where we were actual contenders. The other 4 seasons we were either quickly dispatched (lost in Wild card rd) or didn't even make the playoffs. So good enough to get in the playoffs, but not really good enough to compete or contend in the playoffs. Save for the one year - 2017

2017 should have been the start of a 3-5 year window of serious contention - but it wasn't... it was lightning in a bottle. There are a ton of reasons we can atrtribute to that, Coaching, Injuries  Players etc.... But my number one issue has to be GM- Why is/was coaching an issue? why is/was it we dont have an elite QB? why are our players old and often injured?  Why year after year do we miss horribly on so many players in the draft? Everything funnels down to the GM and front office. 

Think about this, we went from Wentz having an MVP type year, Foles then winning the SB as a backup, to having Hurts be completely dysfunctional as a qb in just four years. Sure there were a ton of things that happened to cause this, but iot all starts with Howie, relying on old oft injured Olineman, missing on high WR draft picks, leaving us with almost no vaible recieving options and drafting Hurts in the second rd instead of getting our team actual help,  all of this helped to basically destroy Wentz in the process. 

unfortunatley we wont be real contenders anytime soon, not till we get a real NFL QB, and we have all seen how long that can take when you keep screwing it up.   We are the new Browns.

Sad times to be an Eagle fan for sure. 

The line hasn't changed, so gamblers think Tua = Brissett

22 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Process or not , the thing you want to see is week over week improvement , by both the players and the coaching staff 

Process is not linear, it's usually "two steps forward, one step back."

The time to evaluate progress will be the four games after the bye week, we'll know who has an arrow pointing up and who is headed out the door.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Cardinals are insulted.

Yeah, check back in five weeks. Think they're a bit of a flash in the pan.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

We were facing a team with a makeshift back 7 and facing the greatest QB of all time. 

That analytics model says it was a toss up, but I think it was an easy go. 

You watched the game, right?   It was the same makeshift back 7 that he completed 46% of his passes against, with a 4.4 ypa average.

And that final TD came as a result of exactly 1 pass from Hurts on the first play of the series and the rest was runs.  He didn't exactly air it out on that drive either.  Nor were they particularly interested in moving quickly even after that missed FG.   The missed FG didn't do very well.