54 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

You mean the tier with McNabb? 

 

Since they never retired #17, I would be reluctant to retire #86.

McNabb's number should have never been retired.  Frankly, nor should Jerome Brown's.  That could have become a legacy number as well... Fletcher Cox would have been a worthy player to wear #99.  But, retiring his number was much more about the emotion and tragedy of his death than his play.  He was a great DT, likely the best of his generation, but for only about 3 years.

23 minutes ago, rambo said:

This is where I'm at.  I don't think NS wants to run an RPO exclusive offense.  He's trying to adapt to his QB and is failing (which is HS and college offense).  Hurts has never played under center or been in a conventional offense.  Now you can be sure he has directives from Lowie that their 2nd round QB pick has to play so he's trying to make the best of it.  He's not going to ask Hurts who can't last 2 seconds in a clean pocket without dropping his eyes and running out of it to be a drop back passer.  It's been proven it's not going to work.  His pocket awareness, footwork and arm talent isn't there.  Nor can he progress quickly enough through multiple reads.  He relies on broken plays.  Hurts history is clear as to what he is, Nick's isn't.  He's dumbed down the offense for his QB.  Now he's getting the brunt of it.  If I were him I'd force Hurts into his offense and let him sink at this point.  Put him under center more, call run plays that don't have the option of becoming a pass, quit the WR screen heavy offense, make him pass from the pocket, etc...That way it's made clear to Lowie that Hurts is nothing more than a backup in this league.

So you're sure of this? You have the memo in hand?

All the young QBs other than Jones struggle with this, for mobile QBs coming out of college, it takes time to transition to the pro game.

Hurts is on his fourth offensive scheme in four years (Bama, Oklahoma, Pederson, Siri), it's quite possible he's still suffering from "paralysis by analysis," thinking instead of reacting.

His offense line has been changing each week, and that's affected not only protection schemes but play calling.

I think you don't need paranoid theories, Occam's razor says Siri just wants to give Hurts plays he's comfortable with from college while he gradually incorporates his scheme. And Hurts needs time for the game to slow down and develop timing with his WRs, who he's hardly played with.

49 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

At the time of the play, I think the taunting penalty was weak. But what the hell is Genard freakin Avery of all people even thinking of doing anything in that moment? Turn around and line up for the next play. You stopped Fournette after two yards, congrats. There’s no need to be flexing on someone when the play wasn’t even anything special and you’ve been losing all game. 

Agreed.   But football is an emotional game.  I don't think he did much of anything.   Given the crack down this year though, you can't do that to your team.  That said, it had zero impact on the end of the game.  The defense didn't even come close to stopping them on that drive.

47 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

The league apparently wants every player to just to get and go straight to the huddle

Ruining the game IMO. Hopefully they reverse that rule

That isn't what's ruining the game. 

As has been discussed previously, watch for when Minshew gets elevated to #2 before the clock starts ticking on sitting Hurts down.

Everyone knows what Flacco is; he looked cooked in the preseason.  There is nothing to be gained by putting him on the field.  Minshew being active on game days would start the clock IMO.  My guess is if Hurts struggles against the Raiders, Lions, and Chargers (no great defenses there) then there will be serious QB discussions behind closed doors.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Let’s talk about player evaluation.   Why did Williams and Peppers see so few reps yesterday?   Why did Gainwell see his reps decrease?  

Hurts doesn’t look lost, he is reverting to the bad habits and displaying gaps in talent that got him benched in Alabama and made him a third tier QB in the draft.  Let me give one example.  I think it was in the second.  On a screen, Brady was throwing as soon as he caught the snap.  In contrast, a screen to Sanders in the same quarter, the DB covering the WR literally had the screen read and was on Sanders before Hurts pulled the trigger.  Hurts needs to read much faster and at 10 games, if we are going to see that, it should be showing now.  Sirianni as much as said that last night when he talked about running the plays versus playground ball.  Is this an overreaction or just seeing what is obviously happening?  I have said since before he was drafted that what worries me most about Hurts is his speed to read.

Sirianni is taking a lot of heat, to my mind mostly unjustified. He didn't draft Hurts; he inherited him. As limited as the offensive scheme is, and it has accurately described as "high school", it is more than Hurts can handle. I have always been loathe to give up on young players (e.g. I hung in with Seumalo when he was at his worst) but I just don't see any glimmers in Hurts' game. If anything, it has deteriorated. What I came to hate about Wentz's game was how he bailed out of the back of the pocket. Hurts is doing much the same thing when he bails to the right. Anyway, to get back to Sirianni, I'm not bailing on him at all. He's called any number of good plays that Hurts has butchered. I'd wager that he has only installed about half of his offense, and it's still too much. He's young and green and I believe he'll improve. As for Hurts, he's young and green and I believe he won't.

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So you're sure of this? You have the memo in hand?

All the young QBs other than Jones struggle with this, for mobile QBs coming out of college, it takes time to transition to the pro game.

Hurts is on his fourth offensive scheme in four years (Bama, Oklahoma, Pederson, Siri), it's quite possible he's still suffering from "paralysis by analysis," thinking instead of reacting.

His offense line has been changing each week, and that's affected not only protection schemes but play calling.

I think you don't need paranoid theories, Occam's razor says Siri just wants to give Hurts plays he's comfortable with from college while he gradually incorporates his scheme. And Hurts needs time for the game to slow down and develop timing with his WRs, who he's hardly played with.

The offense is getting worse by the game.  They're not developing anything.  It's one thing to incorporate some RPO concepts because your QB is comfortable with/good at it, it's another to fundamentally change what you want to do entirely because your QB can't do it.  I'm not a Hurts hater.  You can look through my post history if you want.  I had hopes that he would grow into being an NFL QB.  The fact that he's regressing has set off a lot of red flags.  I'm just not seeing any growth from who he was in college vs now.  He's a one read and run QB.  College and HS offenses don't work in the NFL.  Defensive coordinators are too good and the players are too good at every position unlike college.  All I'm saying is NS needs to stop babying him and incorporate more traditional concepts.

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

I know in this day and age of NFL QBs they aren't given much time to prove themselves.

Question is how much time does Hurts get?  Rest of the year no matter how bad he plays?  Until week 10 or so?  

Next game should do it

Just now, rambo said:

it's another to fundamentally change what you want to do entirely because your QB can't do it.

And here's the thing... How is Sirianni showing anyone that he deserves to go beyond this year with the way things are looking. He'd be better off installing the offense he wants and if Hurts can't run it then you bring in Flacco or Minshew. And I'm not saying I want that to happen but if you are Sirianni I'm not sure you have a lot of choice. 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That isn't what's ruining the game. 

It's not the only thing but it's definitely part of it IMO

5 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Sirianni is taking a lot of heat, to my mind mostly unjustified. He didn't draft Hurts; he inherited him. As limited as the offensive scheme is, and it has accurately described as "high school", it is more than Hurts can handle. I have always been loathe to give up on young players (e.g. I hung in with Seumalo when he was at his worst) but I just don't see any glimmers in Hurts' game. If anything, it has deteriorated. What I came to hate about Wentz's game was how he bailed out of the back of the pocket. Hurts is doing much the same thing when he bails to the right. Anyway, to get back to Sirianni, I'm not bailing on him at all. He's called any number of good plays that Hurts has butchered. I'd wager that he has only installed about half of his offense, and it's still too much. He's young and green and I believe he'll improve. As for Hurts, he's young and green and I believe he won't.

I don't have anything nice to say about Sirianni.  I just don't really have much bad to say either.

I got frustrated in the offseason with the pro-Hurts crowd that said "give him a chance, you just don't know."  (I felt the information was already available).  But, I have to repeat that phrase for Sirianni.  We just don't know.

Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be horrible.  I just don't think we can know right now.

It's not just Gowan and the 5th, building depth, but also more snaps for Stoll, Togiai and in a few weeks, Jackson. And they save a few million to bank for next season of Ertz's remaining salary.

Won't surprise me if a couple more veterans are traded for late round picks in the next two weeks.

One thing I didn't realize, Avery is only 26, if he continues to play well at SLB (despite the bad penalty), wouldn't surprise to see him extended, he's actually a good athlete in that role.

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's not just Gowan and the 5th, building depth, but also more snaps for Stoll, Togiai and in a few weeks, Jackson. And they save a few million to bank for next season of Ertz's remaining salary.

Won't surprise me if a couple more veterans are traded for late round picks in the next two weeks.

One thing I didn't realize, Avery is only 26, if he continues to play well at SLB (despite the bad penalty), wouldn't surprise to see him extended, he's actually a good athlete in that role.

 

Eh...the next extensions coming are Hargrave and Goedert. Hargrave has a massive 2022 cap hit ($17.8 million). Extend him and lower that. Goedert might wait until later in the year. 

I'd get Hargrave done ASAP.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Won't surprise me if a couple more veterans are traded for late round picks in the next two weeks.

With all the stupid restructuring that is near impossible.

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Sirianni is taking a lot of heat, to my mind mostly unjustified. He didn't draft Hurts; he inherited him. As limited as the offensive scheme is, and it has accurately described as "high school", it is more than Hurts can handle. I have always been loathe to give up on young players (e.g. I hung in with Seumalo when he was at his worst) but I just don't see any glimmers in Hurts' game. If anything, it has deteriorated. What I came to hate about Wentz's game was how he bailed out of the back of the pocket. Hurts is doing much the same thing when he bails to the right. Anyway, to get back to Sirianni, I'm not bailing on him at all. He's called any number of good plays that Hurts has butchered. I'd wager that he has only installed about half of his offense, and it's still too much. He's young and green and I believe he'll improve. As for Hurts, he's young and green and I believe he won't.

I'm more patient because it's a rebuilding year. Looking at other young mobile college QBs, i see the same struggles.

If the Eagles had realistic playoff aspirations, it might be different, but put Minshew in there and you're still a 7 win team.

So I don't see a rush to make a change right now, for all of Hurts' flaws, he brought them back to beat Carolina and within 6 points of TB. He's a gamer, it's just a matter of seeing whether he's a lost cause or there's a glimmer of hope. Worst that happens is a better draft slot, best is the light goes on and he starts seeing those open receivers and relaxing and making the right throws.

You can always put Minshew in after the bye week and set him up to start next year (and keep the job warm for a young QB in a year or two whom I'd rather have sit on the bench for ahlf a year behind a veteran QB, the rush to start kids right away is what ruins a lot of them).

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Won't surprise me if a couple more veterans are traded for late round picks in the next two weeks.

With all the stupid restructuring that is near impossible.

11 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And here's the thing... How is Sirianni showing anyone that he deserves to go beyond this year with the way things are looking. He'd be better off installing the offense he wants and if Hurts can't run it then you bring in Flacco or Minshew. And I'm not saying I want that to happen but if you are Sirianni I'm not sure you have a lot of choice. 

Did we start 0-6? Do we look like vintage Jax? You think Lowie expected to have a winning season?

57 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How many times did we pass on him? Who did we take over him?

He went the pick right before the Eagles took JaCoby Stevens.  So we took all the draft picks other than Stevens and Patrick Johnson over him.  Focusing specifically on MacPhearson in Round 4, whom they took at the same position - exactly 100 selections before Gowan was drafted.

52 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I do wonder if not covering the spread was just a happy coincidence.

Pointed it out last night... didn't cover, didn't get the over. 

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It's not the only thing but it's definitely part of it IMO

It hasn't hurt NCAA to have the players toss the ball to the ref after a TD and go celebrate with their team.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I'm more patient because it's a rebuilding year. Looking at other young mobile college QBs, i see the same struggles.

If the Eagles had realistic playoff aspirations, it might be different, but put Minshew in there and you're still a 7 win team.

So I don't see a rush to make a change right now, for all of Hurts' flaws, he brought them back to beat Carolina and within 6 points of TB. He's a gamer, it's just a matter of seeing whether he's a lost cause or there's a glimmer of hope. Worst that happens is a better draft slot, best is the light goes on and he starts seeing those open receivers and relaxing and making the right throws.

You can always put Minshew in after the bye week and set him up to start next year (and keep the job warm for a young QB in a year or two whom I'd rather have sit on the bench for ahlf a year behind a veteran QB, the rush to start kids right away is what ruins a lot of them).

He's a runner.  He ran to get them back in both those games.  He is at his best when he's not throwing the ball, but running with it.

Mikey Miss was just reading the NFL.com scouting report on the air.  Jalen Hurts has shown zero improvement in all of these areas.

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it[/quote}

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Did we start 0-6? Do we look like vintage Jax? You think Lowie expected to have a winning season?

Yes

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Big fan of Gowan   , hopefully  he gets some playing time 

How do you think he'll get PT?  They don't play dime or any other looks.  The only CB to play a defensive snap this year are Slay, Nelson and Maddox.  

It's wild to me that they are 5 deep at WR and before today, 6 deep at CB but only the top 3 at each position play on offense or defense, give or take 5-7 snaps for Ward and JJAW.

The only way I see him contributing is on ST which means you're taking snaps away from most likely Josiah Scott who will now go inactive if they cut Mac McClain.

Andre Chachere IMO is their best ST player right now.  Zech McPhearson is up there with him.  Those 2 guys aren't having any snaps taken away.

 

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Mikey Miss was just reading the NFL.com scouting report on the air.  Jalen Hurts has shown zero improvement in all of these areas.