1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

Weren't we supposed to suck this year?  Didn't most of us already expect this?  

So why are we acting like we're surprised that we're terrible. 

Most believed we would lose a lot of games. I predicted 6-11 myself.

i think were is went from bad to worse is that there has been zero improvement during each game. The fact they are throwing 90% of the game is just moronic. My theory is Nick is being forced to throw so much so Howie and Lurie can see Hurts in every possible situation and make a judgement call at the end of the season on if we need to move in another direction. Problem is not running the ball is paralyzing Hurts progression if he even can progress. 

Defense has talent but the scheme is horrible. he is a zone version of Jim Schwartz with a worse run defense and I hated Jim Schwartz.  

So yes we expected to be bad, BUT you should be seeing the team improve weekly in something, even in losses. 

There is no reason for 'heat' on Sirianni and his staff at this point.  This was known to be a tough year, the Atlanta game doesn't change that.  I had this team at 5 wins to start the year... and I'd say that that's right around where they end up.  Maybe they get to as many as 7 wins.  BUt, what they do show is that they really aren't in the class of the top of the league.  But, they should be able to compete with the middle 1/3, and likely beat the bottom 1/3.  Gannon's defense isn't allowing points to mediocre teams, only the better teams.  They aren't playing great offense for the most part, but they are scoring points.  Against the Giants, they likely find a way to get a win, likely by Hurts running (and unveiling the little Giant killer).  Against Washington, they likely split.  They should be ready to go against the Jets and Lions and should win both.  And we'll see what happens against the mediocre of the Raiders, Broncos, etc.  

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Most believed we would lose a lot of games. I predicted 6-11 myself.

i think were is went from bad to worse is that there has been zero improvement during each game. The fact they are throwing 90% of the game is just moronic. My theory is Nick is being forced to throw so much so Howie and Lurie can see Hurts in every possible situation and make a judgement call at the end of the season on if we need to move in another direction. Problem is not running the ball is paralyzing Hurts progression if he even can progress. 

Defense has talent but the scheme is horrible. he is a zone version of Jim Schwartz with a worse run defense and I hated Jim Schwartz.  

So yes we expected to be bad, BUT you should be seeing the team improve weekly in something, even in losses. 

Defense has talent?   Not much.  Giant void in the middle of the field.  He is scheming for teams to shoot themselves in the foot... and it has worked.  Falcons 6 points, 49ers 17, Carolina 18.  The flip side is the other 3 games... the D doesn't have the talent to stop them, so you get what you get.  This is the result of ignoring LB and safety for over a decade in the draft.

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Most believed we would lose a lot of games. I predicted 6-11 myself.

i think were is went from bad to worse is that there has been zero improvement during each game. The fact they are throwing 90% of the game is just moronic. My theory is Nick is being forced to throw so much so Howie and Lurie can see Hurts in every possible situation and make a judgement call at the end of the season on if we need to move in another direction. Problem is not running the ball is paralyzing Hurts progression if he even can progress. 

Defense has talent but the scheme is horrible. he is a zone version of Jim Schwartz with a worse run defense and I hated Jim Schwartz.  

So yes we expected to be bad, BUT you should be seeing the team improve weekly in something, even in losses. 

I think where a young, first-year coaching staff is suffering is the inability to adjust quickly enough.  Watching most games around the league you see the players and coaches reviewing the tablet after each series, making adjustments on the fly.  I think that needs to be developed and improved upon.

If I were advising Nick I’d tell him make sure against the Raiders every three-down set of downs has at least one designed run play.  Complete a short 5-6 pass on first down, pound the run on second down — play in front of the sticks.  Those first and second down plays have to be positive plays to stay out of third-and-long.  Nothing revolutionary; just condense the plan down to those 3 plays getting 10+ yards.  Take your deep shots on 2nd and short, etc.

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Defense has talent?   Not much.  Giant void in the middle of the field.  He is scheming for teams to shoot themselves in the foot... and it has worked.  Falcons 6 points, 49ers 17, Carolina 18.  The flip side is the other 3 games... the D doesn't have the talent to stop them, so you get what you get.  This is the result of ignoring LB and safety for over a decade in the draft.

Yes we are all aware of the void at LB, its nothing new and has been this way for a decade. The Defense does have talent though. Is it at every position? Of course not. But we have a nice Dline in Hargrave, Cox, Sweat, even Williams is flashing, min 1 strong outside CB in Slay, Maddox and Nelson has had flashes , Harris at Safety has been solid. There is talent there and flashes at times even in a piss poor scheme.  

Problem starts that every team already has this team figured out scheme wise. you cant sit back in cover 2 sink zone which drops your DBs and LBs back 6 yards after snap 80% of the game and expect to have any success. Honestly you cant play 80% in any scheme and have success. Jim had the same issues. We need someone who is willing to throw the whole book out there all game. Confusion is the key to a successful defense. Is it zone?, Is it man?, Is it a blitz? Where is the blitz or pressure coming from? This is why DCs like Jim Johnson and Rex Ryan had so much success. they were unpredictable. We need unpredictable. 

You got to work with what you got.

Howie has brought in a bunch of young talent the past two years and the Ertz trade is just a continuation of this trend.

Sirianni has made some mistakes, went overboard with the RPOs trying to make Hurts comfortable (ironically, Foles ran that much better, but he also had DeSean, Cooper, Avant, Ertz and Celek, McCoy and a great OL with no injuries:  Peters - Mathis - Kelce - Herremans - Lane. The next year the starting OL missed 23 games, and the league caught up to Chip and Foles came crashing down to earth). He's trying to make it easier on Hurts, but actually has made it harder as the offense became predictable.

But we knew there would be growing pains. The only top defense left on the schedule is Denver, NO and Raiders are decent (but Raiders are in disarray), the final six games are a good time to expand the playbook. As the young OL starts to jell, Sirianni can be more aggressive running the ball and keeping Hurts in the pocket.

The defense needs more talent, losing Graham was a huge blow, Taylor and Avery and P Johnson are learning on the job, the safeties are smart but slow. But Gannon is slowly implementing more twists now that he has his starting safeties back.

Draft this guy, maybe we’ll be able to catch something. 

39 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Most believed we would lose a lot of games. I predicted 6-11 myself.

i think were is went from bad to worse is that there has been zero improvement during each game. The fact they are throwing 90% of the game is just moronic. My theory is Nick is being forced to throw so much so Howie and Lurie can see Hurts in every possible situation and make a judgement call at the end of the season on if we need to move in another direction. Problem is not running the ball is paralyzing Hurts progression if he even can progress. 

Defense has talent but the scheme is horrible. he is a zone version of Jim Schwartz with a worse run defense and I hated Jim Schwartz.  

So yes we expected to be bad, BUT you should be seeing the team improve weekly in something, even in losses. 

I also went 6-11.  I disagree the defense has talent.  It has the starter DL, which is playing more snaps than before because the backups are barely JAG quality, except Williams.  In the secondary they have Slay.  Nelson and Harris were available so long because they are basically street free agents at this point. McLeod is a shadow of his former self.  Maddox is playing well within his limitations.  The LBs?  Singleton is their best LB.  That says so much about the lack of talent.   Gained some depth at CB but untested. Epps and Wallace seem like good depth Ss, maybe. 

I do think the zone is too soft and they need to vary from the Cover 2.  Eberflus influence.  That’s what lost the Colts the game last week. I like some of the other tinkering he is doing but the scheme doesn’t work with the LBs he has.  He needs LBs to stop the run. 

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Draft this guy, maybe we’ll be able to catch something. 

 

He killed my father.  Prepare to die.

Cant wait to see his hand measurements at the combine…

21 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You got to work with what you got.

Howie has brought in a bunch of young talent the past two years and the Ertz trade is just a continuation of this trend.

Sirianni has made some mistakes, went overboard with the RPOs trying to make Hurts comfortable (ironically, Foles ran that much better, but he also had DeSean, Cooper, Avant, Ertz and Celek, McCoy and a great OL with no injuries:  Peters - Mathis - Kelce - Herremans - Lane. The next year the starting OL missed 23 games, and the league caught up to Chip and Foles came crashing down to earth). He's trying to make it easier on Hurts, but actually has made it harder as the offense became predictable.

But we knew there would be growing pains. The only top defense left on the schedule is Denver, NO and Raiders are decent (but Raiders are in disarray), the final six games are a good time to expand the playbook. As the young OL starts to jell, Sirianni can be more aggressive running the ball and keeping Hurts in the pocket.

The defense needs more talent, losing Graham was a huge blow, Taylor and Avery and P Johnson are learning on the job, the safeties are smart but slow. But Gannon is slowly implementing more twists now that he has his starting safeties back.

The way you talk about bringing in talent, all the other 31 teams could do the same. Everyone brings in some level of talent. Ours hasn’t been that good. That’s obvious. 

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

That's a close pole

One thing to note about the Ertz trade is that this year is supposed a really deep class because seniors got an extra year of eligibility due to Covid. Rounds 5-7 have low hit rates, but this year a late 5th rounder is probably more like a 4. 

49 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Draft this guy, maybe we’ll be able to catch something. 

Imagine the outrage if the Eagles did this. 

56 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You got to work with what you got.

And whose fault is this?

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

And whose fault is this?

Doug Douglas 

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

He took too much heat. A lot of his moves that he got flack for are actually working out. 

 

KJ Jefferson, the QB from Arkansas is fun to watch.  Only a redshirt sophomore, 6-3 245.  Has been making plays all year.  Will be interesting to see what he can develop in to.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

You got to work with what you got.

Howie has brought in a bunch of young talent the past two years and the Ertz trade is just a continuation of this trend.

Sirianni has made some mistakes, went overboard with the RPOs trying to make Hurts comfortable (ironically, Foles ran that much better, but he also had DeSean, Cooper, Avant, Ertz and Celek, McCoy and a great OL with no injuries:  Peters - Mathis - Kelce - Herremans - Lane. The next year the starting OL missed 23 games, and the league caught up to Chip and Foles came crashing down to earth). He's trying to make it easier on Hurts, but actually has made it harder as the offense became predictable.

But we knew there would be growing pains. The only top defense left on the schedule is Denver, NO and Raiders are decent (but Raiders are in disarray), the final six games are a good time to expand the playbook. As the young OL starts to jell, Sirianni can be more aggressive running the ball and keeping Hurts in the pocket.

The defense needs more talent, losing Graham was a huge blow, Taylor and Avery and P Johnson are learning on the job, the safeties are smart but slow. But Gannon is slowly implementing more twists now that he has his starting safeties back.

Howie has decimated the level of talent on the roster over the last 4 years.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Talk about lack of credibility.   

 

Name 3 moves that are "working out”.  Just 3.  

Slay

Hargrave

Nelson

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

"Scheme”  

 

 

What even is that?  No routes, he doesn't even attempt to give Miles the ball and just runs, slides and loses yards.  Meanwhile the O-Line got serious push.

I don't think this coaching staff and Jalen Hurts are a good fit. They tried to help mitigate the differences by hiring Brian Johnson who has more experience with the RPO stuff, but I'm not sure it's helped enough.

Nick mentioned in one of his recent PCs that he and his staff don't have a lot of history coaching RPOs. That kind of thing matters in the NFL.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What even is that?  No routes, he doesn't even attempt to give Miles the ball and just runs, slides and loses yards.  Meanwhile the O-Line got serious push.

I think that is Baldy's point. If he gave it to Sanders, he may have gotten 4 yards. However Hurts decided to pass, the WRs did not even really run a route and then he had to tuck on run because there was a defender on him almost immediately.

Why did the WR not run a route? Why did Hurts not give it to Sanders if it was a run all the way? Was there miscommunication in the huddle over what play it was?

I keep thinking that Hurts is screwing up out there, but the more and more I watch these plays the more I think it is the coaching staff then the players.

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Yes we are all aware of the void at LB, its nothing new and has been this way for a decade. The Defense does have talent though. Is it at every position? Of course not. But we have a nice Dline in Hargrave, Cox, Sweat, even Williams is flashing, min 1 strong outside CB in Slay, Maddox and Nelson has had flashes , Harris at Safety has been solid. There is talent there and flashes at times even in a piss poor scheme.  

Problem starts that every team already has this team figured out scheme wise. you cant sit back in cover 2 sink zone which drops your DBs and LBs back 6 yards after snap 80% of the game and expect to have any success. Honestly you cant play 80% in any scheme and have success. Jim had the same issues. We need someone who is willing to throw the whole book out there all game. Confusion is the key to a successful defense. Is it zone?, Is it man?, Is it a blitz? Where is the blitz or pressure coming from? This is why DCs like Jim Johnson and Rex Ryan had so much success. they were unpredictable. We need unpredictable. 

Not exactly.  It wasn't this bad.  Bradham was a helluva LB for a couple years.  Hicks was good when he was on the field.  Kendricks was a legit NFL LB.  Right now we have Manny, Moe and Jack.  That's not the same as we have had.  

 

Carolina didn't exactly pick them apart.  18 points allowed is a pretty good defensive effort in terms of points.  Yes, it was a lot of turnovers, but against the mediocre QBs in the NFL (most of them) it will be good enough to keep the points down, because those QBs aren't consistent enough to put it together time and time again.  

Jim Johnson and Rex Ryan have also had a ton more talent to work with.  This is a process, and it's year 1.  Slow your expectations.