Obviously that isn’t how Sirianni schemed it up. It was a busted play. 

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What even is that?  No routes, he doesn't even attempt to give Miles the ball and just runs, slides and loses yards.  Meanwhile the O-Line got serious push.

Bucs showed what defenses will do as well, looping the LB around to fill the void of the DL.

9 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I think that is Baldy's point. If he gave it to Sanders, he may have gotten 4 yards. However Hurts decided to pass, the WRs did not even really run a route and then he had to tuck on run because there was a defender on him almost immediately.

Why did the WR not run a route? Why did Hurts not give it to Sanders if it was a run all the way? Was there miscommunication in the huddle over what play it was?

I keep thinking that Hurts is screwing up out there, but the more and more I watch these plays the more I think it is the coaching staff then the players.

That clearly wasn't the design.  That was what Baldy called it... a busted play.  Someone somewhere didn't know their assignment.   But, the propensity that Hurts has to pull on these RPOs needs to be addressed.  Even Chip freaking Kelly had what looked like Read Options and RPOs that were just designed runs without a read on it.  Looked the same, but was a straight give to the RB.

 

And Mailata embarrassed JPP on that play.  Just tossed him around like a rag doll.

So genuine question. What makes that an "RPO” when the play breakdown for everyone but the QB made it look like a zone read? Because he looked at the WR’s to pass? Obviously there’s miscommunication somewhere but it seems like that’s all on Hurts, bad play calling aside. 
 

The DE crashes in so he’s supposed to hand the ball to Miles. He pulls it for some reason, which is a mistake. He looks to pass which is a mistake because it’s a zone read, the WRs aren’t supposed to be running routes, and because he made the wrong initial read he now has to go the wrong way. At least that’s how interpreted it. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So genuine question. What makes that an "RPO” when the play breakdown for everyone but the QB made it look like a zone read? Because he looked at the WR’s to pass? Obviously there’s miscommunication somewhere but it seems like that’s all on Hurts, bad play calling aside. 

I assume Baldy is giving Hurts the benefit of the doubt that the WRs missed a call. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So genuine question. What makes that an "RPO” when the play breakdown for everyone but the QB made it look like a zone read? Because he looked at the WR’s to pass? Obviously there’s miscommunication somewhere but it seems like that’s all on Hurts, bad play calling aside. 

You can tell it's an RPO based on the OL. If they continue run-blocking no matter what, it's an RPO. If they retreat/stop, it's a play-action pass. 

We run a lot of RPOs and Hurts throws it a lot more than he hands off. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So genuine question. What makes that an "RPO” when the play breakdown for everyone but the QB made it look like a zone read? Because he looked at the WR’s to pass? Obviously there’s miscommunication somewhere but it seems like that’s all on Hurts, bad play calling aside. 

Agreed.  He seemed to think that there was a pass option.  The WRs seemed to be looking to block.  I'm guessing that the WR on the outside was the intended target, but somehow just drifted down field rather than turning for the throw.  

1 minute ago, RLC said:

You can tell it's an RPO based on the OL. If they continue run-blocking no matter what, it's an RPO. If they retreat/stop, it's a play-action pass. 

We run a lot of RPOs and Hurts throws it a lot more than he hands off. 

That’s not necessarily true though. I agree that’s what an o-line does on an RPO but if it’s a zone read there’s no passing option built into it. O-line reacts the same way to an RPO as a zone read. 

It looks like he’s reading the backside DE too so this should be a simple play. O-line leave him undefended and all go towards the sideline. If that DE crashes in you hand the ball to Miles and he follows the o-line. If the DE follows Miles you keep and run the opposite way following the WR’s. It’s rather simple play with one read that’s just not getting executed.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I assume Baldy is giving Hurts the benefit of the doubt that the WRs missed a call. 

I thought he might be taking the Al Michaels approach where everything is an RPO including play action

3 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Most believed we would lose a lot of games. I predicted 6-11 myself.

i think were is went from bad to worse is that there has been zero improvement during each game. The fact they are throwing 90% of the game is just moronic. My theory is Nick is being forced to throw so much so Howie and Lurie can see Hurts in every possible situation and make a judgement call at the end of the season on if we need to move in another direction. Problem is not running the ball is paralyzing Hurts progression if he even can progress. 

Defense has talent but the scheme is horrible. he is a zone version of Jim Schwartz with a worse run defense and I hated Jim Schwartz.  

So yes we expected to be bad, BUT you should be seeing the team improve weekly in something, even in losses. 

I think the defense has been OK but has struggled against elite offenses.  

I kinda agree with you that this season feels like a Hurts audition campaign.  They want to see how he throws the ball and if there is any improvement as the year goes on.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

"Scheme”  

 

 

Plays like that are why I want Sirianni to knock it off with the RPOs and just run a traditional offense. Let Hurts drop back read the field and let it rip, while also calling some designed Fing runs. 

Everybody knew they weren't going to be a good team this year but, Jesus we're 6 games in and I'm already losing patience with everyone on offense.

1 minute ago, ShutDownDB said:

Plays like that are why I want Sirianni to knock it off with the RPOs and just run a traditional offense. Let Hurts drop back read the field and let it rip, while also calling some designed Fing runs. 

Everybody knew they weren't going to be a good team this year but, Jesus we're 6 games in and I'm already losing patience with everyone on offense.

If he can’t successfully read a RPO I don’t know what makes you think he’ll be able to read the field. They do need to call more run only plays though. 

13 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I think the defense has been OK but has struggled against elite offenses.  

Maybe it’s just fool’s gold, but the defense has looked much better in the last two weeks. Hopefully, this continues. I try to be patient, but even I was starting to lean with the "fire Gannon” crowd after KC.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If he can’t successfully read a RPO I don’t know what makes you think he’ll be able to read the field. They do need to call more run only plays though. 

I have no problem with not running against TB. I had a big problem with not running against Dallas. That’s what worries me going forward.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I also went 6-11.  I disagree the defense has talent.  It has the starter DL, which is playing more snaps than before because the backups are barely JAG quality, except Williams.  In the secondary they have Slay.  Nelson and Harris were available so long because they are basically street free agents at this point. McLeod is a shadow of his former self.  Maddox is playing well within his limitations.  The LBs?  Singleton is their best LB.  That says so much about the lack of talent.   Gained some depth at CB but untested. Epps and Wallace seem like good depth Ss, maybe. 

I do think the zone is too soft and they need to vary from the Cover 2.  Eberflus influence.  That’s what lost the Colts the game last week. I like some of the other tinkering he is doing but the scheme doesn’t work with the LBs he has.  He needs LBs to stop the run. 

You pretty much said exactly what I said two posts later. So you are saying they have some talent. lol Saying a team has some talent doesnt mean they are a good defense, it means they have some talented players is what it meant. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok I’m sorry.   I assumed you were talking about this past offseason. Hargrave was the previous year.  Slay was also the previous year and a high priced FA that went where the money was.    Nelson was a decent pick up, so far.  Yes.  I’ll give you Nelson.  

But I wouldn’t say he got a lot of flack for any of those moves   Unless I’m misremembering    I thought all 3 were prudent pick ups   

 

you are most definitely mis-remembering. He did get flack for each of those moves. In this thread. People are too overboard on trying to find fault with absolutely everything he does and even his good moves are criticized. Hes actually gotten more flack than he deserves. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Imagine the outrage if the Eagles did this. 

At this point they it wouldnt matter if they put all of our RBs on IR. We dont use them anyways. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If he can’t successfully read a RPO I don’t know what makes you think he’ll be able to read the field. They do need to call more run only plays though. 

Yep. He serves no purpose if he can’t execute college stuff. 

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It looks like he’s reading the backside DE too so this should be a simple play. O-line leave him undefended and all go towards the sideline. If that DE crashes in you hand the ball to Miles and he follows the o-line. If the DE follows Miles you keep and run the opposite way following the WR’s. It’s rather simple play with one read that’s just not getting executed.

The LB was looping, so if that was a straight RO, it had to be a give.  Frankly, he just needs to give it far more often.

4 minutes ago, SB52 said:

I have no problem with not running against TB. I had a big problem with not running against Dallas. That’s what worries me going forward.

Raiders game will be revealing. Pretty good against the pass, not great against the run. If they pass 80% of that game there’s a real problem. 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

you are most definitely mis-remembering. He did get flack for each of those moves. In this thread. People are too overboard on trying to find fault with absolutely everything he does and even his good moves are criticized. Hes actually gotten more flack than he deserves. 

Wholeheartedly disagree. He has been okay when it comes to FA acquisitions, but he has been bottom tier with drafting and working the cap. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If he can’t successfully read a RPO I don’t know what makes you think he’ll be able to read the field. They do need to call more run only plays though. 

Don't know man, maybe the hope that he will figure it out eventually. If them passing so much is coming from the top, then I highly doubt they'll let Sirianni bench Hurts.

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

you are most definitely mis-remembering. He did get flack for each of those moves. In this thread. People are too overboard on trying to find fault with absolutely everything he does and even his good moves are criticized. Hes actually gotten more flack than he deserves. 

You're right the GM that had to blow his SB winning coach and QB out while the team mires into a 4 win team definitely shouldn't be called to the carpet for his failed signings over 3 years, or his failure in drafting, or trading for players that the team doesn't need/use, or mismanagement of the salary cap.   Or trading for players to then also give them big contracts.  

The argument with Slay was: You don't trade for a 29 year old CB, and then pay him top dollar, when you could have just as easily signed a UFA for that same money.  But, they targeted the wrong CB (Jones, rather than Bradberry), and got an older player, paid a 3rd and 5th round pick, and didn't save any money on the salary cap.  

The argument with Hargrave was that they were continuing to throw money at the DL, because they failed to draft well there, and again couldn't figure out the WR position.  Maybe had they signed a UFA WR, rather than Hargrave, they'd have been able to identify a better option in the draft than zeroing in on Reagor and relying on rookie WRs to be the savior of the offense.

Nelson is a great move?  ok.  I thought it would qualify as an 'ok' move.  Nothing special in that move, just not a complete dumpster fire move like Eric Wilson has been.

21 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

Plays like that are why I want Sirianni to knock it off with the RPOs and just run a traditional offense. Let Hurts drop back read the field and let it rip, while also calling some designed Fing runs. 

Everybody knew they weren't going to be a good team this year but, Jesus we're 6 games in and I'm already losing patience with everyone on offense.

You're assuming Hurts is going to be be able to read the field.  He's showing he can't.  Agree, need to ditch the RPO but that's not what's holding this offense back.  Hurts is.