2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes, agreed that Staley seems a much better communicator than Sirianni. At least when it comes to the press. I really hate conspiracies, but man is it tough to ignore what appears to be a very large influence in Howie/Lurie. It seems they just hang over every aspect of the team, where most successful teams have the head coach as the centre of attention. I wonder how much of Nick struggling in pressers is a result of Lowie being in his ear about what to say. 

This is your "I pulled it out of my ass" observation.

They pass too much, must be Lowie!

Or it could be that teams stack the box and dare Siri to call up the passing game to beat them.

I'm patient b/c it's a rebuilding year, Lawrence, Wilson, Fields are all struggling, Mayfield has been up and down, the only young mobile QB having a good season is Murray.

Meanwhile Winston looks a lot better in NO than in TB or NE.

Three measures, QB rating, QBR, adjusted NYA

Hurts 22nd, 28th, 21st. About what you'd expect at this point in the season.

Lawrence, 29th, 27th, 28th

Wilson, 32, 32, 31

Fields, 31, 31, 32

M Jones 20, 21, 25

Darnold 28, 23, 26

Mayfield, 16, 26, 16

Wentz 12, 17, 7

D Jones 26, 22, 22

Heinicke 23, 24, 20

19 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's funny between this guys, baldy's and the other dude break down theres probably 10-14 plays they dive into each week that shows Hurts making the wrong decision. leaving the pocket too soon or both. YET!!!!!!! PEOPLE STILL WANT TO BLAME SIRANNI. 

I dont get it. 

It's clear you didn't watch the video.  The first 5 minutes are about the  poor play design.  There is as much or more about poor execution vs. decision making.  Coaching is an issue. 

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

😄   Yeah, it's me who is "butthurt"  Dude you get so triggered in here, it's comical.  I just like picking on trolls like you and Bacarty.  Congrats.....you're in his company. 

 

His "scheme is clearly working".....Of all the dumb things to say in here.  

 

No ish we need an NFL QB.  We also need an NFL Head Coach and an NFL GM.  

 

 

"You get so triggered in here" says the adult man while using 53 emojis

13 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

It's been reported that Orgeron will be out at the end of the season, so maybe Brady returns to be the HC to the team he helped win a National Championship with as an OC?  He gets his HC experience so he doesn't go in cold at the NFL level.  Honestly, he hasn't really lit it up with CAR so far, even with CMC being out they should be a better than what they've shown.

 

Ed O is out, his boy Burrow was asked about yesterday and he wasn’t thrilled with LSU’s decision.  Brady had the betting odds to return there as the HC last night, my guess is Meyers name will be thrown in as well as Lane Kiffin

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

not too many people. Mainly one.... Hes wrong but wont ever admit it. Those are scroll past posts. 

Look Hurts stinks but Sirianni hasn't been much better.  Watch the guys breakdown of the offense.  If you think Sirianni and coaching isn't an issue, I am not sure what you think is the problem.  The dysfunction on the offense goes beyond just Hurts having poor mechanics and bad decision making.  I am not saying Sirianni should be fired or is more of an issue than Hurts.  I am saying that any developmental prospect at QB isn't going to do that well in this system because of design flaws and execution issues.  

I think that Sirianni has potential when it comes to passing plays. We pass an absurd amount and still have guys wide open frequently. 

Having said that, he has some glaring weaknesses too. Balance being the main one. He has had stretches of absolutely baffling play calls (the red zone trip against SF comes to mind) on his short resume here as well. He has insisted on calling the same type of offense week in, week out with a one read idiot at QB. 

I believe that the call to pass definitely comes from upstairs, but I would like to see a QB in there that can read a field and a more balanced approach before we send Nick packing.

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

This is your "I pulled it out of my ass" observation.

They pass too much, must be Lowie!

Or it could be that teams stack the box and dare Siri to call up the passing game to beat them.

I'm patient b/c it's a rebuilding year, Lawrence, Wilson, Fields are all struggling, Mayfield has been up and down, the only young mobile QB having a good season is Murray.

Meanwhile Winston looks a lot better in NO than in TB or NE.

Three measures, QB rating, QBR, adjusted NYA

Hurts 22nd, 28th, 21st. About what you'd expect at this point in the season.

Lawrence, 29th, 27th, 28th

Wilson, 32, 32, 31

Fields, 31, 31, 32

M Jones 20, 21, 25

Darnold 28, 23, 26

Mayfield, 16, 26, 16

Wentz 12, 17, 7

D Jones 26, 22, 22

Heinicke 23, 24, 20

Yes of course I have no concrete evidence that Lowie is dictating play calling, but there's been enough smoke to be concerned there could be a fire there.

All those QBs you list aren't good. Wentz is, though he is inconsistent overall and has his own issues. 

We're 6 games in now, don't you think Sirianni should adjust the play calling? Whatever we have now isn't working. Sure we can beat crappy teams like Atlanta, but is that the bar we want to set? 

Forget about numbers for a second. Just watching Hurts, he is bailing out of clean pockets, he essentially can't run the RPO that was designed to keep it simple for him, he can't read anything but the primary route that's called, and he routinely either can't see or can't throw to open receivers. It's far more than numbers that are concerning about Hurts. I'm one of the most optimistic posters in here, but Hurts is just not it. It's basic, basic stuff that he can't do. I like Hurts as a person, and think he's a great back-up QB to have in a pinch, but he is not a starter in this league. His absolute ideal would be Lamar Jackson's shadow. That's what his agent should be trying to do, just tag along behind Lamar for the rest of his career. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Which video?

Theres about 500 of them going around of Hurts not being able top read a defense, runs too early, under throws a wide open guy or locks in on a WR causing the play to get deflected. 

again, Coach isnt the issue here. 

 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

BECAUCE HE KEEPS THE GUY IN AT QB.  

You really think Sirianni has a choice in that?

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Which video?

Theres about 500 of them going around of Hurts not being able top read a defense, runs too early, under throws a wide open guy or locks in on a WR causing the play to get deflected. 

again, Coach isnt the issue here. 

 

2 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

I know some of you don't venture outside The Blog so I wanted to post what I thought was a good video (breakdown on game film by former QB JT O'Sullivan) someone posted in the Jalen Hurts Discussion thread, showing Hurts and the O vs the Bucs.  There were a couple examples of poor play design, but there were examples of plays being there and Hurts missing them as well.  The thing I noticed most is how truly awful his throwing mechanics are.  He just doesn't set/plant his feet and drive the ball using his whole body.  He almost always takes a hop step just before throwing and often is throwing off just one foot.  This is the kind of issue that will take an entire off-season of constant work to start to correct.  Between him not being able to read the D pre-snap, get the ball to the open read quick enough, and his poor mechanics then I don't see how he makes any improvement this season. 

I don't think they'll bench him yet.  Too soon for the FO.  I do think we need to see Minshew get a run of at least a few games to determine if it's more QB play or scheme that is holding the O back.  That comparison needs to happen before the season ends.

 

 

I predict he sees the error of his ways.  Win baby, Win.  😇

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The call to pass comes from upstairs....no doubt.  And it has for years.  But we have never seen this much of a pass/run disparity.  That's because this offense is strictly an RPO based offense where the extremely flawed QB is empowered to make the decisions at the snap.  That's coaching, that's design etc..

 

 

The Head Coaches job not to just get WR's open.  I know you know that.  But there are a few in here....I mean wow.  

Spot on.

He's obviously still new at this, so we'll see. I think he definitely needs improvement and balance, though. Not sure how anyone can watch this team and think he's fine as is. Not even close.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You really think Sirianni has a choice in that?

He picks and chooses what responsibilities the coach has based on the narrative he’s pushing. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Of course not.  But I was addressing some posters who are so damn blind that they don't think NS is a puppet Head Coach.  So what's good for the goose.  

Sorry, I was confused.  I figured you couldn't have it both ways... either Sirianni is a puppet, or he can have the power to replace Hurts, but unwilling to do it.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Be careful.  That former NFL QB doesn't know as much as some of the brilliant ones in here.  Hell, they even know more than Ray Didinger....because Ray Didinger is just a stats guy.  

There were guys open in some other videos so..........Nick is great.  

I enjoy those QB school videos. But keep it in persepctive. Last one I watched was before this college football season and he LOVED Sam Howell. I have a feeling if he could go back and re-do that video it might be a lot different. Analysts, even including former players, but ESPECIALLY stats guys who know absolutely nothing about football Xs and Os can actually be wrong too.

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

This is your "I pulled it out of my ass" observation.

They pass too much, must be Lowie!

Or it could be that teams stack the box and dare Siri to call up the passing game to beat them.

I'm patient b/c it's a rebuilding year, Lawrence, Wilson, Fields are all struggling, Mayfield has been up and down, the only young mobile QB having a good season is Murray.

Meanwhile Winston looks a lot better in NO than in TB or NE.

Three measures, QB rating, QBR, adjusted NYA

Hurts 22nd, 28th, 21st. About what you'd expect at this point in the season.

Lawrence, 29th, 27th, 28th Rookie

Wilson, 32, 32, 31 Rookie

Fields, 31, 31, 32 Rookie

M Jones 20, 21, 25 Rookie

Darnold 28, 23, 26 Bad, like Hurts

Mayfield, 16, 26, 16 Better than Hurts

Wentz 12, 17, 7 Better than Hurts

D Jones 26, 22, 22 Bad, like Hurts

Heinicke 23, 24, 20 Undrafted

 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Yes of course I have no concrete evidence that Lowie is dictating play calling, but there's been enough smoke to be concerned there could be a fire there.

All those QBs you list aren't good. Wentz is, though he is inconsistent overall and has his own issues. 

We're 6 games in now, don't you think Sirianni should adjust the play calling? Whatever we have now isn't working. Sure we can beat crappy teams like Atlanta, but is that the bar we want to set? 

Forget about numbers for seconds. Just watching Hurts, he is bailing out of clean pockets, he essentially can't run the RPO that was designed to keep it simple for him, he can't read anything but the primary route that's called, and he routinely either can't see or can't throw to open receivers. It's far more than numbers that are concerning about Hurts. I'm one of the most optimistic posters in here, but Hurts is just not it. It's basic, basic stuff that he can't do. I like Hurts as a person, and think he's a great back-up QB to have in a pinch, but he is not a starter in this league. His absolute ideal would be Lamar Jackson's shadow. That's what his agent should be trying to do, just tag along behind Lamar for the rest of his career. 

I do think he is demonstrating poor pocket presence which is made worse by his terrible mechanics.  I also think he seems to just skip over what should be the first read.  On that question, however, Sirianni should be able to fix it.  He is calling the plays. If it happens once in a while, I would say that is a Hurts issue.  The fact that it seems to happen repeatedly in the course of a game, it is a coaching issue.  We can see it's an issue.  In the 6 games they have played, they have looked terrible on offense for 5 of them.  It is early in Sirianni's career but he has much to improve on in terms of game planning an play calling.  

Hurts isn't the answer at QB barring some big turnaround.  I am not sure that any player is an answer at this point given what we are seeing from Sirianni.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Cam Newton got vaxed.....he's ready to play.  According to ESPN.  

Better than Hurts...

Not really. I wonder if a team like Seattle gives him a chance? Not sure he'd be an upgrade over even Geno at this point, honestly. He's washed.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

TBH.  A lot of people were in on him.  I was MEH.  Looks too much like Mayfield to me.  Well damn, look at Rattler....he's imploded and a lot of the pundits had him pushing for the Heisman.  

 

But if you watched the video, you would see how there are a myriad of issues with the offense.  Not just Hurts not being able to read a defense.  

But Hurts is pretty much a rookie I was told....

So, JTO loved Howell and you didnt. Maybe you know more than him.

Anyway, Im just beginning the video and Im seeing the first play, zone read that had no shot. Double stacks formation, and theres CBs on the WRs. Single safety in the box. Theyre lined up to stop the run, and the formation is tipping zone read. Theyre ready for it. 

With real QBs who can make checks at the line, they change this to a passing play where you have 4 WRs in 1 on 1 situations who are going to get clean releases and possibly run picks for each other. 

This isnt a play design issue. Its a scenario where the right defense was called and the play wasnt changed. Thats not scheme. Its QBing. 

Does Hurts not have the authority to change a play? Or does he not have the know how? Or does he not have the authority because he lacks the know how? Thats the question that needs to be answered. Theres really no reason to jump to the conclusion that this is a coaching issue because the play design is flawed. The design is not flawed. Its a read option. It wasnt created by Sirianni. Its been around. And it works. The design is fine. Its just the wrong play to run against that particular defense in that situation. Who should have checked out of it?

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Cam Newton got vaxed.....he's ready to play.  According to ESPN.  

I say we sign him because I am a little bit tired of talking about Hurts.  

If Jalen can't understand that the first play in that video was dead from the start, isn't his coach failing him? 

 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I do think he is demonstrating poor pocket presence which is made worse by his terrible mechanics.  I also think he seems to just skip over what should be the first read.  On that question, however, Sirianni should be able to fix it.  He is calling the plays. If it happens once in a while, I would say that is a Hurts issue.  The fact that it seems to happen repeatedly in the course of a game, it is a coaching issue.  We can see it's an issue.  In the 6 games they have played, they have looked terrible on offense for 5 of them.  It is early in Sirianni's career but he has much to improve on in terms of game planning an play calling.  

Hurts isn't the answer at QB barring some big turnaround.  I am not sure that any player is an answer at this point given what we are seeing from Sirianni.  

What do you do when the QB isn't running the plays as called?  How do you fix it?

This was also a complaint last season, that Wentz was playing too much "hero ball" and wasn't executing the offense.  When the QB isn't getting the ball out where it's designed to go it's hard to know how much blame to put on coaching or scheme.  This is where accountability has to come in at some point.  Wentz and Doug had to part ways because the QB wasn't running the plays as the coach designed them.  Wentz was a 5-year starter and eventually got sat down.  When does the first-year starter get sat down?

The Eagles have more of an investment in the head coach and coaching staff than they do in the 2nd round draft pick QB in his 2nd season.  When push comes to shove, either Hurts will run the offense or he won't be in there.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Uhhh ok, but he dropped 2 balls in a preseason game. Where does that rank?

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

If Jalen can't understand that the first play in that video was dead from the start, isn't his coach failing him? 

Uh... no. You think a player gets to the NFL and just begins learning about football then? He should already be able to read a defense. Its not the NFL coach's job to begin at such a low level of football teaching. 

You have a former NFL QB breaking down this film. He knew it. But he blames the design rather than saying the QB can change the play. 

Any play can work. Any play. It just depends on what defense is called against it. If the QB sees the defense is aligned properly to stop a play he needs to know, and make a change. Real QBs do that. I doubt Hurts is smart enough to do it.