Man, Campbell just can not stay healthy. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Uhhh ok, but he dropped 2 balls in a preseason game. Where does that rank?

I bet he is not 4-0 in joint practices...

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

  Geno is so bad....OMG.  I was shocked I saw him still in the league a few weeks ago.  

Hes really not that bad for a backup.  Hes better than Jalen Hurts, let alone Flacco

His career was doomed going to NYJ. He had maturity issues but that was a circus and he had no shot.  

9 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Bigger question.  Sean Taylor tribute?   Tragic.  Sure.  But he wasn’t a choir boy.  Played for the Redskins for 3 1/2 years 15 years ago.  I guess when you have nothing to honor as a franchise in the last 30 years, you have to pick something.  
 

Last bigger question.  What kind of fruit loop dances on tik tok for money?

I almost don’t want to tell you how much money some of these people get from dancing/lip syncing on tik tok…

On the second play of that video its an RPO. Hurts reads pass. But then decides to run. JTO points to the other WRs who were covered. But does not point out the delayed release by Sanders. However, Hurts runs at the same time Sanders is starting his route. Gets tackled right near Sanders. If he waited a half second more in the pocket (he had time) he would have had sanders on the little curl route. He read pass, and ran anyway. He could have had a pass but he bailed on his own read too fast. 

8 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Is TIk Tok comprised mostly of people just dancing?  I still don't get it.

It’s evolved from that. You can find some cool information, entertaining videos, or funny videos, and much more different things. But the dancing/lip syncing videos are very much still there, and it’s one of the most ridiculous things

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Uh... no. You think a player gets to the NFL and just begins learning about football then? He should already be able to read a defense. Its not the NFL coach's job to begin at such a low level of football teaching. 

You have a former NFL QB breaking down this film. He knew it. But he blames the design rather than saying the QB can change the play. 

Any play can work. Any play. It just depends on what defense is called against it. If the QB sees the defense is aligned properly to stop a play he needs to know, and make a change. Real QBs do that. I doubt Hurts is smart enough to do it.

No, I don't.

The fact that an NFL QB is questioning the play call should be more than enough, but let's take it a step further: 

If Hurts still isn't at the point (which seems obvious) of reading a field, why wouldn't Sirianni run the ball more so he has to do it less? Why wouldn't Sirianni give him audibles? Why wouldn't Sirianni communicate into his helmet that the play is dead or call a time out?

Further, if Hurts goes rogue and refuses to run the ball and refuses to audible out our of stubbornness or lack of awareness, isn't it the coaches job to hold him accountable or reprimand him?

Want to try to answer again?

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Did I say I knew more than the guy?  I just never saw all of the hoopla on Howell.  Doesn't mean I watched a ton of UNC football either.  Obviously he knows more about QB than I do.  JFC.  

Yeah, a real QB would change out of a zone read double stacks. Because most of them haven't seen that.  Pretty bad play design.  Glad you agree.  

Bad play design is on the coach, not the QB.  And if you're a coach that isn't smart enough to recognize that your qb isn't good enough to see and change the play at the line, then that's on you as a HC.  That's scheme and coaching....

 

I think Hurts lacks the know how to recognize or change the play.  It's the scheme and coaches job to help him there.  If the scheme isn't working for Hurts then a good HC would adjust.  

 

 

Serious question.  What about an offense like Baltimore runs?  I know Hurts is not the passer that Jackson is.  It's too late to make that drastic of a change to the scheme, but I would think that would fit more into what Hurts does well.  It's just Lowie and you know...the passing game.  

 

I'd rather talk about Hurts.  

oh so you just give yourself the benefit of a double standard. You are allowed to disagree with a former player/analyst. But if anyone else disagrees it means they know more than the expert. I see. 

Its not bad play design. Its the wrong defense to run it against. When a QB sees the defensive alignment he needs to change the play. It doesnt matter what scheme any coach is running. There will always be a defensive call to stop any play. Its about running the right play, against the right defense. A QB needs to know how to read defenses and make proper adjustments. It comes down to Hurts. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

His career was doomed going to WVU......JK...I know you're a fan.

 

 

I never liked the guy.  But man was this a bad look....I bet agents use this as a teaching moment for guys getting ready to be drafted.  

 

He is a sneaky good athlete and actually had pocket presence, I knew he had a shot in the NFL.  But he definitely had some growing up to do

Dont forget about him getting his jaw broken by that LBer in the locker room.  F'ing crazy

They said last night he also ended both Elis and now Russel Wilsons starting streaks, which were like the 4th and 6th longest in NFL history.  Weird career

I think some of you are in over your head trying to determine if Sirianni is in over his head...

It's been widely known that Goff couldn't read what the defence was doing and had McVay call the offense for him.

Amazingly, they made a Super Bowl and always seemed to have a good offense.

See the difference?

 

I still have questions about Siriannis game management and playcalling.

But Im sorry, I dont want him running a Lamar Jackson offense, basically bending over backwards to accommodate a guy with a fraction of Lamar Jacksons skill set.  Thats not the objective of the 2021 season IMO

Sirianni should throw him a bone every once in a while--mayne a designed run or boot leg--but we should be running plays based on the weakness of our opponent and not the weakness of our QB

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It's been widely known that Goff couldn't read what the defence was doing and had McVay call the offense for him.

Amazingly, they made a Super Bowl and always seemed to have a good offense.

See the difference?

 

I see tons of differences

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It's been widely known that Goff couldn't read what the defence was doing and had McVay call the offense for him.

Amazingly, they made a Super Bowl and always seemed to have a good offense.

See the difference?

In Goff's best season, he had a WR trio of Cooks/Woods/Kupp and an MVP level season from Gurley. He had a Pro Bowl LT (Whitworth) and a Pro Bowl-level LG (Safford). That helps a lot.

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

No, I don't.

The fact that an NFL QB is questioning the play call should be more than enough, but let's take it a step further: 

If Hurts still isn't at the point (which seems obvious) of reading a field, why wouldn't Sirianni run the ball more so he has to do it less? Can you really expect the team to pass minimally because the QB is actually limiting them that much? Its the NFL. The QB is expected to be able to play. If he cant he needs to get replaced. You cant just become like 90% run team because your QB cant throw.

Why wouldn't Sirianni give him audibles? Maybe he does. Maybe Hurts is bad at knowing when to actually check out of a play. Maybe he doesnt call the right one. IF Sirianna tells Hurts to just run whats called, then thats something we need to know. At that point you can blame the coach for bad calls.

Why wouldn't Sirianni communicate into his helmet that the play is dead or call a time out? Helmet cuts out after a certain time on the play clock. He cant always talk to the QB. Thats how teams adjusted to the Rams offense when they realized Goff couldnt read a D. Defense showed a look, and when helmet speaker cut out theyd change looks and Goff would be lost without coach help in his ear. You only get 3 time outs. Cant bail the QB out on every play. Again, its the NFL. He needs to be able to play the position without constant hand holding.

Further, if Hurts goes rogue and refuses to run the ball and refuses to audible out our of stubbornness or lack of awareness, isn't it the coaches job to hold him accountable or reprimand him? Yes. It likely happens every week. And at some point you have to figure a QB change is coming. We just dont know how long they are committed to compiling evidence for benching him.

Want to try to answer again? Sure... those were easy.

 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Man, Campbell just can not stay healthy. 

Call up the Colts and ask them what they'd give for either Ward or JJAW. 

Sirianni should have Hurts line up like a punter so he can see more of the field and give him an extra half second in the pocket. 

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

It's been widely known that Goff couldn't read what the defence was doing and had McVay call the offense for him.

Amazingly, they made a Super Bowl and always seemed to have a good offense.

See the difference?

 

teams caught on, adjusted and now Goff is on a new team, sucking. Not really different. McVay got a real QB and is looking great again. See the perspective if you pay attention to the whole picture rather than focusing on confirmation bias?

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Again, we dont know how often Hurts is checking out of runs, and how often he's making the wrong read on RPO's. 

I also think Siranni is throwing him(hurts) to the wolves on purpose to show the higher ups he's not the guy. 

 

yep

and yep.

 

23 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

In reality, Trubisky was the highest rated quarterback in that draft, according to most (but not all) draft analysts, including ESPN’s Mel Kiper, who had Trubisky rated ahead of Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes, Watson and Pitt’s Nathan Peterman. (For the record, former Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki had it Watson-Trubisky-Mahomes.)

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-saturday/2020/12/11/22170759/2017-draft-revisited-mitch-trubisky-topped-a-lot-of-charts

This is why I'm worried about picking any QB in the draft.

Herbert is another, as a rookie it’s unheard of to be a top 3 QB under pressure, he was last year and no one saw it college but it was there.  He’s a good athlete that can move in any direction, but what everyone missed is he actually stops running, plants his feet, gets drilled, but also makes the throw and gets completions.  Don’t get me wrong, it’s not ideal and might get him killed at the NFL level, but you can’t argue with his success through a season and a half. The pocket collapsing doesn’t bother him because he isn’t scared to get hit.  Yesterdays game was all over his scouting report as well, when he misses, he misses high for long stretches, exactly how he played yesterday. 

Kiper, McShay, even Jeremiah get hot on guys and never consider everything that matters at the NFL level. (All 3 forgot more than I’ll ever know about scouting talent) but to me arm talent has to be number 1. 
  Mahomes and Allen are proof of that. Both of them were known to have cannons, Mahomes was thought to have too much Brett Favre in him, Allen was inaccurate but a great athlete. 
 
In any order that you rank QBs whether it’s the conference they play in, btw there’s a reason Stabler is the last Alabama QB to have 7 or more wins in a NFL single season.  Jones should end that though TBF.  The team that drafts the QB is huge, the offensive system the QB comes from, pocket presence, reading defenses, etc..  Accuracy was rarely improved upon like Allen’s, but Daboll and or their QB coach worked wonders with him so it can be done if he’s got the arm to get the ball there.

I’m arm strength first because Its rare to ever significantly improve arm strength, like throwing a baseball it’s something your born with, you can take two kids with the same frame, approx the same weight, height, and arm length and one kid naturally throws the ball 15-20mph faster.  They just do.  
 Brady and Breeze are two guys that did it, Brady should be tossed out because there has never been a more unathletic dude to do what he has done, he’s the greatest anomaly in the history of professional sports. As for Breeze, his arm improved after 12 screws were put into his shoulder,  unless he had bionics installed, he did several cycles of steroids and stem cells starting the day after surgery.  How many pitchers that tore their labrum’s back when Breeze tore his, came back and were successful, 10-15% maybe?  I guarantee none had 12 screws put in and ever came back, at all.  


 
 

 

I think it became very clear that McVay was incredibly frustrated by the limitations of Goff, eventually trading a lot to get rid of him. Is that the scenario we want our head coach/QB in? 

9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

He is a sneaky good athlete and actually had pocket presence, I knew he had a shot in the NFL.  But he definitely had some growing up to do

Dont forget about him getting his jaw broken by that LBer in the locker room.  F'ing crazy

They said last night he also ended both Elis and now Russel Wilsons starting streaks, which were like the 4th and 6th longest in NFL history.  Weird career

I always liked Geno.  He showed me a lot hanging in there and walking out on stage when he finally did get drafted.

He's a guy that should have considered changing positions; when he gets to full speed he can really cover ground.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

I think it became very clear that McVay was incredibly frustrated by the limitations of Goff, eventually trading a lot to get rid of him. Is that the scenario we want our head coach/QB in? 

lets ignore that part 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nah....we knew it in Jan.  

Reminds me of an old MTV slogan. You think you know but you have no idea.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

teams caught on, adjusted and now Goff is on a new team, sucking. Not really different. McVay got a real QB and is looking great again. See the perspective if you pay attention to the whole picture rather than focusing on confirmation bias?

yep

and yep.

 

Goff being terrible is exactly my point. Good coaching can make up for a limited QB who can't read the field.

But so we're all clear:

Hurts failing to let plays develop, continually running to his right, continually making stupid decisions like throwing the ball out of bounds on 4th down, throwing the ball out of bounds on a free play, sliding for a loss of yardage outside of the pocket rather than throw the ball away, Ward throwing the ball out of the end zone on 4th down (great play call, eh?), leading the league in penalties and Sanders running out of bounds against the Panthers not once, but twice all have to do with Hurts inability to read the field and have nothing to do with coaching.

Whew, glad that's cleared up.

35 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nice try.  I have been as consistent as anyone in here.  It's just some....a lot....don't want to hear it or want to believe it.  

Nice try? Just a couple of weeks ago you said Sirianni didn’t hire Gannon, but now he’s the one in charge of who the starting QB is? 

So he’s a puppet except for starting QB?

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Man... that's a long way to go to try and win a point.    I guess I can say the same for you then.  Which is how we got here with this video.  

Its what you said a few posts ago.... 

You dont even know what you are saying. And you want to act like youve diagnosed issues in the scheme of our offense.