3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am concerned that Sirianni's staff isn't set up to help a QB develop.  

Brian Johnson has been a QB coach for more than 10 years.  Steichen has been an NFL QB coach for 4 years and was a collegiate QB.  Sirianni even spent a season as an NFL QB coach.  

4 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Wonder if we could ship off Lane, Cox, or someone else to fill voids at S, LB, CB, or elsewhere so we can use our assets to move up for someone like Kayvon Thibodeaux.

I’m willing to bet the eagles address the S position in FA. That’s really been their way about it since last using a high draft pick in Nate Allen in the early 2000s. Only other safety’s drafted since drafting him have been Reynolds, Wallace and technically gerry and Stevens when they played that position in college 

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't see how anyone can be sure of anything.  I mean Josh Allen looked like a mess mechanically in his first 2 seasons.  He was only slightly better in his second season.  He has some flashes but I am not sure that anyone aside from @austinfan would have been sold on him as a franchise QB.  I am not sure on the outcome for Hurts or Sirianni.  I just am not happy with either of them at this point.  Frankly, I would be happy to see each of them improve.

I think the team should look long and hard about moving on from Hurts in the offseason but  I do not think that should be a given.  The QB prospects in this class all seem to have significant concerns.  Investing a high pick (or multiple picks in a trade up) for a questionable prospect when the team has many needs, is concerning.  The same would be true in terms of trading for Watson.  If the team ends up with 3 first round picks and is able to come away with more than one of: Thibodeaux, Stingley, Booth, Hamilton, Hutchinson, Leal, Harris or Elam, then this team all of the sudden starts to look much better on one side of the ball.  

I'm more convinced that the notion of Lowie hiring Sirianni and a yes-man puppet is true. Sirianni talked about dedication to the running game when we hired him and now he's blatantly ignoring that part of the game. It has to be Lowie telling him to not run right? He can't be that dumb.

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

My suspicion is Siri is going to look at the film and can the RPO, it really doesn't play to Hurts' strengths.

Go more conventional play action, roll Hurts out at times, but let him use his mobility as a pocket QB who can evade pressure, and not put him in a position where he's easily defended.

The RPO forces you to be a one read QB (have to throw in under 2 seconds or you end up with OL getting downfield), it's more valuable as a "changeup" to get easy 1st downs when a defense is unprepared than a staple of an offense - NFL DCs have seen too much of it to be taken by surprise anymore.

Sure, Lawrence look pretty good against Miami, who hasn't? Fields looks no better than Hurts, same with WIlson. So it's a bit early to jump to conclusions.

The RPO is his strength, the problem is he sucks at his strengths.  It was a staple at Bama and ran a decent bit at OU as well.  If he can't read a simple RPO how do you expect him to read the field as a whole?

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I honestly was molding my argument to snag one of the NS defenders.  Yes, Sirianni is a puppet who's is in over his head.  Not his fault.  So yeah, maybe he can't replace Hurts or needs to get the approval from upstairs.    And all that does is prove my point that he wasn't the right guy in the first place.  But am I to believe that he is getting the RPO directive from Lowie as well?  

 

As far as Hurts is concerned, Do you think NS has carte blanche?  

Nope, I don't.  

As for 'being the right guy'... the right guy has to agree to Lowie's terms for hire.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Missed tackles.  Where are we with missed tackles?  
 

Also, Pre snap penalties is a big clue that the team didn’t have enough time prepare before the season.  

I see it still hasn't been addressed.

17 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am concerned that Sirianni's staff isn't set up to help a QB develop.  

Idk they have some guys on the staff who have been in a QB developing role like Brian Johnson and Steichen played QB in college and sirianni was also the QB coach in SD in 2014-15. 

i look at the league right now and say the top 8 teams in the league right now all have an elite or just outside that category leading their team. Bills have josh Allen. The ravens have lamar (hats off to him for developing as a passer still need to see it during playoff time though). Bucs have Brady. GB has rodgers.  Cardinals have murray. Rams have Stafford (one i think mcvay makes him from very good to fringe great). Chiefs have mahomes (i think they eventually get things turned around). Even the cowboys have Dak (we can say whatever we want they are a top 8 team in the league right now and he’s played really well). 

i look at the browns. They a boatload of talent all across that team but baker mayfield isn’t good enough. So you can build up a great team but if your QB is solid but not great it’s going to be a uphill battle to win a SB. Even the year the eagles won the whole thing wentz was an elite QB that year and foles played like an elite QB for 2.5 games. 

I think the eagles look at their situation and say until we get a QB that can be elite or close to that year to year we aren’t going anywhere. And when they find that kid or player they’ll be willing to make a move to fire or hire whatever coach they see can develop him. Whether that’s sirianni or someone else is tbd at that point. 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/colts-insider/2021/01/21/colts-offensive-coordinator-nick-sirianni-new-eagles-head-coach-report/6659143002/

"Sirianni had other gameday responsibilities, too. As head of the offensive staff, he had a lot of say on play time distribution. He, in consultation with position coaches, would determine which players were in for which plays. Reich also tasked him with the duty of periodically reminding him not to get away from the running game. It might not seem like it given the Colts yearly run-pass splits, but as an ex-quarterback, Reich’s natural inclinations are to throw the football. Sirianni helped keep the Colts’ attack balanced."

The whole point of an RPO is

- one defensive read

- easy pass

- ball comes out quick so you avoid sacks/fumbles etc

- limited progressions to go through 

- limits QB mistakes

- no long developing routes

 

If they have to scrap the RPO from the playbook then Hurts needs to get benched. 

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

The RPO is his strength, the problem is he sucks at his strengths.  It was a staple at Bama and ran a decent bit at OU as well.  If he can't read a simple RPO how do you expect him to read the field as a whole?

So you're saying Sirianni should be Jack Lemmon in this conversation?  "a man IS his job, and you are f---ked at yours!"  Best line of the film:

 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

So you're saying Sirianni should be Jack Lemmon in this conversation?  "a man IS his job, and you are f---ked at yours!"  Best line of the film:

 

The only defense I'll give to scrapping the RPO is that Hurts is a midget.  While he's quite experienced at running it in college, the avg player size is drastically different in the NFL.  Maybe he's having a tough time reading the LB/S for RPO's.  He's having trouble filtering the jumbled mess that is the post snap D, which also explains why he never operates out of center.  The game is a good bit faster too, so he's probably not processing what he's seeing and his synapses firing properly in that vacuous space in his head.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Reminds me of an old MTV slogan. You think you know but you have no idea.

Jim Mora said it better. 

(That said, we know more than we knew back then.  Back then, the All-22 wasn't really available. Now it is available to whomever wants to pay for it... when NFL gets around to meeting their contractual obligation.) 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The whole point of an RPO is

- one defensive read

- easy pass

- ball comes out quick so you avoid sacks/fumbles etc

- limited progressions to go through 

- limits QB mistakes

- no long developing routes

 

If they have to scrap the RPO from the playbook then Hurts needs to get benched. 

Not having to write the good, bad and the ugly this year has allowed me to watch even more football on Sunday and see what other teams are doing and what young stars looking like around the league. And when i was watching i began thinking if i werent an eagles fan this team since the end of 2018 season has really not been a fun watch. They lack any creativeness and ingenuity in what they are doing. The games are like a grind to watch for the better part since jeffery dropped the ball in NO. What young player are you just like i just have to watch this guy play? besides smith and Watkins? Goedert is ok. Sanders i think if he gets the ball can be from time to time but i don’t see him as a can’t miss player i need to watch. Defensively they really don’t have anyone at this stage of their careers besides hargrave

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jim Mora said it better. 

(That said, we know more than we knew back then.  Back then, the All-22 wasn't really available. Now it is available to whomever wants to pay for it... when NFL gets around to meeting their contractual obligation.) 

He should have said they don’t know diddly poo. 

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

uh.... until it cant. And it ended for the Rams and Goff. NFL moves quickly. That trick wont work anymore. Hurts is too late. 

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope, I don't.  

As for 'being the right guy'... the right guy has to agree to Lowie's terms for hire.

Yeah. It’s clear this organization has a philosophy to pass first by a large degree, and that, plus an agreement to follow analytics is a prerequisite for hire. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

Gannon so far has been a disappointment, but he was beloved in NFL circles. Hiring him showed that Sirianni could convince people to take jobs.
On the other hand, Clay has been very good on ST. Elliott has been good. Our punting, TB game aside, has been excellent. We've gotten some good returns. We even blocked a punt! ST has been a strength. Sirianni gets credit for that.

Has he really been a disappointment though?   3 games out of 6, he's held the opponent to 18 points or fewer.  That's a great mark in today's NFL.  The other 3 games were against the 2 Super Bowl participants with stacked offenses, and a 3rd team with a stacked offense.   He went into those gun fights with a knife.  In the other games, he used his knife to slow down the opponent and made them all winnable.  The offense couldn't get enough points to win game 2, but that game was there for the taking.

I wonder how many wins the Dolphins have in them this season.  They have the Jets twice, the Giants, and the Texans on their schedule.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

In Indianapolis, their DC ran a very vanilla defenses his first couple of years before transitioning to different things. The thought was he was keeping it simple during a transition. Maybe Gannon is following the same path. 

I've got zero issues with Gannon right now.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk they have some guys on the staff who have been in a QB developing role like Brian Johnson and Steichen played QB in college and sirianni was also the QB coach in SD in 2014-15. 

 

Checks to see who the QB was in SD in 2014-2015......

Checks to see who Brian Johnson coached in college....oh Dak...hmmm at the University of Houston...oh Greg Ward....

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I wonder how many wins the Dolphins have in them this season.  They have the Jets twice, the Giants, and the Texans on their schedule.

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4 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

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4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Has he really been a disappointment though?   3 games out of 6, he's held the opponent to 18 points or fewer.  That's a great mark in today's NFL.  The other 3 games were against the 2 Super Bowl participants with stacked offenses, and a 3rd team with a stacked offense.   He went into those gun fights with a knife.  In the other games, he used his knife to slow down the opponent and made them all winnable.  The offense couldn't get enough points to win game 2, but that game was there for the taking.

I think he's improved.  I don't think they did much if anything to adjust against Dallas or KC.  They did better against Tampa.  They at least changed coverage looks and made it a little more difficult. 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

In Indianapolis, their DC ran a very vanilla defenses his first couple of years before transitioning to different things. The thought was he was keeping it simple during a transition. Maybe Gannon is following the same path. 

Possible.

I also just think the eagles lack playmakers on defense to do some of the things he’d probably like to do. The safety position imo is below average to average. The linebackers are clearly bottom 5 in the league. With Graham out, sweat and Barnett have shown to be ok but i don’t think teams fear them or they give you great pass rush game in and game out. Behind Cox and hargrave you really have ok depth and you hope Williams comes along and becomes a starter with time. Corner they are actually above average to good with slay, Nelson and even maddox. However they badly need young playmakers at safety, LB and I’d even say along the DL. I think he’s willing to do more things once he gets more guys in place. 

imo i think the offense has more to work with in terms of young talent and talent overall and getting less out of it due to coaching and our Qb play. 

13 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

He should have said they don’t know diddly poo. 

He saved that one for a different tirade... but was such a calm tirade.   I miss him.  He was gold.