4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think he's improved.  I don't think they did much if anything to adjust against Dallas or KC.  They did better against Tampa.  They at least changed coverage looks and made it a little more difficult. 

It's also later in the season, and McLeod is back.  That matters.  I see all of this as a process.  So, I didn't expect the defense to come out in game 1 and be ready to unveil everything that Gannon might have up his sleeve.  It takes time.   But, that's why I was so upset with the limited number of snaps in the PS and the short practices, and doing virtual OTAs.   This team needed time on the field, and every rep matters. 

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Checks to see who the QB was in SD in 2014-2015......

Checks to see who Brian Johnson coached in college....oh Dak...hmmm at the University of Houston...oh Greg Ward....

 

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You can downgrade what he did in 2014-15 but he still had to work to get into that position and then work to get another to get to OC to get to HC. Like he could’ve been canned and never heard from again or stayed a mid level assistant. I’m not saying sirianni is great or even good but he was a HC candidate in 2019 offseason to the point the colts were worried about losing him and the athletic did a detail article on him during that time   

ok he coached Dak, joe Brady coached burrow. How’s that going for Carolina right now with darnold regressing? He’s 6 games into his NFL QB coaching career. Given hurts who wasn’t expected to be the guy going forward as for over a month after the season ended schefter and mortensen kept saying it was going to be wentz until they were forced to deal him. Add on the eagles have been linked to Zach Wilson, watson and Russell Wilson  

Maybe the second round QB who was drafted to be a backup Qb is basically just a backup QB. If we bring in a QB we believe is the franchise QB and they are failing at that point I’d state they stink. However hurts who most thought was overdrafted and destined to be a backup not a starter you get what people said when he was drafted. Literally his scouting report weaknesses are exactly the same as when he came out. 

I have no clue whether sirianni and his staff is any good. I lean toward probably not however i need to also see it with competent QB cause if it’s the same issues we know the coaching staff isn’t right and we need a QB. 

Also believe if you have the talent at QB you can pull the right coach or any coach you want (assuming you don’t have lurie and howie playing power games). I think someone like daboll is much more attainable to any franchise if you had someone in place like Justin herbert who had tremendous upside then question marks for the future at the QB position.  

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Their "right guy” has to agree to their terms.  
 

"THE right guy” would tuck tail and run after meeting with Lowie.  If he would even give them a meeting.  

You are whistling in the wind.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh.  Well what’s the point of any of this then? 

There is no point to any of this.  We vent our frustrations and discuss things we similarly interested parties.  Nothing we say here matters when it comes to what the team will do.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh.  Well what’s the point of any of this then? 

I would have went with farting in the wind personally...

53 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've got zero issues with Gannon right now.

I have more scheme concerns on the defensive side than offensive

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

It would only be a wasted time out if the time out did not fix the problem.  I don't want Sirianni to waste time outs but I think at some point repeated mistakes by your inexperienced QB are repeated mistakes by your inexperienced rookie head coach.  

Its a catch 22. If Siriana is always calling timeouts to fix issues his QB should be able to fix, but cant, people will be complaining about Siriani burning TOs. 

Its a completely ridiculous expectation to ask for this when an NFL QB should be able to do this stuff on his own. 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Damn, 99% sure.  That means that we should be 75% sure that Wilson is a flop, 75% sure that Lawrence is a flop, 70% sure that Lawrence is a flop, 65% sure that Lance is as flop, and that Jones is mediocre at best.  I have and have had significant concerns about Hurts since before the 2020 draft but to predict that we are so,sure of his ceiling 10 games into his career with all the shuffles at OL, might be a bit of a stretch, especially in that he is only 6 games in with a real QB coach.  That doesn’t mean I have significant concerns about his reads and his tendency to bail on the pocket.  I do.  But I think it may be a tad premature to have 99% insight into his ceiling. 

We're not 10 games into his career, though. Hes been in the NFL for almost 2 years.

Different schemes and staff, sure.  But has he made anything that would resemble a "sophomore leap?"

 

And to be clear, Im not saying that this is Hurts' ceiling right now.  Im sure that, if given time and more starts, he would get better. 

But Im looking at his career trajectory, and to me its starting to plateau too fast. At his best, will he be able to consistently win you big games?  I dont see it, not even flashes.

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Unsurprisingly, this still hasn't been addressed. I give you the following:

• Hurts failing to let plays develop
• Hurts continually running to his right
• Hurts throwing the ball out of bounds on 4th down
• Hurts throwing the ball out of bounds on a free play
• Hurts running out of the pocket and sliding for a loss as opposed to just throwing the ball away (when he should be).
• Ward throwing the ball out of the end zone on 4th down (terrible play call and series. Undeniable)
• Leading the league in penalties
• Sanders running out of bounds not once, but twice in a critical moment of the game.

Now obviously these are just some examples, but again I'll ask. Do those fall on the coaching staff not having their players up to speed or Jalen's inability to read the field?

These questions are so elementary and unfortunately I dont think you are answering them correctly. Dont know what to tell you.... This is going nowhere though. 

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

I have more scheme concerns on the defensive side than offensive

More talent concerns on defense than offense too.   When the talent level increases, I expect that the defense will get more complicated, and more wrinkled.  But right now our LBs can't handle the simple stuff, you think they'll be better at more complex schemes?  Nah, play deep, keep it in front of you, and let the mediocre teams fail to succeed in scoring on 12 play drives.  This team can't compete with the elite.  But, they can compete with mediocre... and have.  17 points allowed to the 49ers should have been good enough to win that game.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Has he really been a disappointment though?   3 games out of 6, he's held the opponent to 18 points or fewer.  That's a great mark in today's NFL.  The other 3 games were against the 2 Super Bowl participants with stacked offenses, and a 3rd team with a stacked offense.   He went into those gun fights with a knife.  In the other games, he used his knife to slow down the opponent and made them all winnable.  The offense couldn't get enough points to win game 2, but that game was there for the taking.

I think Gannon can be ok with a defense filled out with acceptable starters at each position.

Right now safety isnt great. But the bigger issue is that he has no LBs. Supposedly this is similar to the Seattle defense, but Bobby Wagner plays a huge role in making that thing work. And theyve also had other very solid LBs alongside him for years. KJ, Kendricks, etc.

I dont know if itll ever happen, but Im willing to take another year, maybe 2 until we address the LB position adequately. Id like to see this D with, even just 1 good LB.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've got zero issues with Gannon right now.

I agree. And thatll be misinterpreted. Sure I hoped for better. But I suspect this will be an evolving thing and we are in the very infancy of it. Im willing to give it a little time before I start complaining.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I agree. And thatll be misinterpreted. Sure I hoped for better. But I suspect this will be an evolving thing and we are in the very infancy of it. Im willing to give it a little time before I start complaining.

If he holds the mediocre teams under 20 points, what real complaints can be had?   

Someone pointed out how the defense seems to funnel things to Singleton. Seattle likely funnels things to Wagner by design. Thats also worked in Indy as of late as well with their personnel. If we had a better MLB who didnt miss as many tackles, it would be a good idea to funnel things to the MLB. I dont think Gannon should concoct a whole new defensive scheme for 1 year. Its better to let the other guys learn the system theyll be playing for years to come and just add a LB at some point.

Theyre not giving up big plays. Which is a huge improvement from the last few years where they did it at a crazy rate.

But they give up a lot on the ground, and are susceptible to having teams dink and dunk for long drives. 1 stud LB changes all of that. The D can be so different with just 1 key player added. 

 

You just saw it with the Rams game yesterday too. NY started out moving the ball with ease. And the rams have been kind of soft in the middle all year. But they make teams try to string together long drives, and eventually Donald, or Ramsey makes a big play.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If he holds the mediocre teams under 20 points, what real complaints can be had?   

I’m honestly less concerned with the defense simply cause we have less talent there and spent less high capital via the draft in recent years then offense. Offense it seems like the eagles need a QB and our coaching needs to be better. Really not having a QB lands you stuck in purgatory for years.  

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Someone pointed out how the defense seems to funnel things to Singleton. Seattle likely funnels things to Wagner by design. Thats also worked in Indy as of late as well with their personnel. If we had a better MLB who didnt miss as many tackles, it would be a good idea to funnel things to the MLB. I dont think Gannon should concoct a whole new defensive scheme for 1 year. Its better to let the other guys learn the system theyll be playing for years to come and just add a LB at some point.

Theyre not giving up big plays. Which is a huge improvement from the last few years where they did it at a crazy rate.

But they give up a lot on the ground, and are susceptible to having teams dink and dunk for long drives. 1 stud LB changes all of that. The D can be so different with just 1 key player added. 

 

You just saw it with the Rams game yesterday too. NY started out moving the ball with ease. And the rams have been kind of soft in the middle all year. But they make teams try to string together long drives, and eventually Donald, or Ramsey makes a big play.

Also helped toney got hurt after 6 plays. He played 6 snaps and had 3 receptions for 36 yards. He was on his way to a big day. Still think the rams beat them pretty soundly but that seemed to completely take everything away from the giants. 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Someone pointed out how the defense seems to funnel things to Singleton. Seattle likely funnels things to Wagner by design. Thats also worked in Indy as of late as well with their personnel. If we had a better MLB who didnt miss as many tackles, it would be a good idea to funnel things to the MLB. I dont think Gannon should concoct a whole new defensive scheme for 1 year. Its better to let the other guys learn the system theyll be playing for years to come and just add a LB at some point.

If this is true, we just should have taken Parsons at 12. 

Just now, RLC said:

If this is true, we just should have taken Parsons at 12. 

Under this regime that was never going to happen. Also pointing out Wagner and Leonard were both taken in the second round from small schools. You have to be able to identify a LB in the draft. Unfortunately the eagles haven’t been great at that. The best linebackers they’ve drafted in 20 years has been Kendricks, jamar Chaney, Moises fokou, joe mays, Stewart Bradley and Gaither

29 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

These questions are so elementary and unfortunately I dont think you are answering them correctly. Dont know what to tell you.... This is going nowhere though. 

It's elementary that they all demonstrate that coaching is a problem with the team?

Didn't think it was so confusing.

So what player is going to get arrested in Vegas? 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

If this is true, we just should have taken Parsons at 12. 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Under this regime that was never going to happen. Also pointing out Wagner and Leonard were both taken in the second round from small schools. You have to be able to identify a LB in the draft. Unfortunately the eagles haven’t been great at that. The best linebackers they’ve drafted in 20 years has been Kendricks, jamar Chaney, Moises fokou, joe mays, Stewart Bradley and Gaither

Not to mention, Dallas wouldn't have let Parsons sit there for us at 12.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So what player is going to get arrested in Vegas? 

Barnett is the most likely to get penalized so I’d bet him. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So what player is going to get arrested in Vegas? 

Barnett.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not to mention, Dallas wouldn't have let Parsons sit there for us at 12.

Does Dallas take Parsons at 10 if we don't trade up? Or do they trade down with Chicago for Fields? Giants take Devonta Smith in either scenario. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Does Dallas take Parsons at 12 if we don't trade up? Or do they trade down with Chicago for Fields? Giants take Devonta Smith in either scenario. 

You mean at 10?  Yes, I think they do.  They didn't want to move back to the Bears pick, because they wanted Parsons.  So, they were willing to move back far enough to get value and still get their guy.   Parson was going to Dallas once they got on the clock... it was only a question of which pick they would use.  They played it 100% correctly.