18 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It all circles back to his lack of football IQ. At the NFL level, he doesn't have it. See also, throwing the ball away on a free offsides, or throwing it out of bounds on a 4th down. Both just insanely stupid plays that are really beyond belief. 

the number one reason I usually do not like drafting a QB that was a Read option running QB, (not a traditional QB who can run) is that they are used to relying on their athletic ability to win, that they are just so athletic, that in college where the talent level is more diverse, that they are used to just using their legs and escapability to win games. Never really putting in the time to learn how to actually play QB. Problem is so few programs actually run a traditional style of offense in college.

And this does not usually translate well in the NFL, though there are a few exceptions, where the talent level is just soo high they can make it work for a while (Vick comes to mind) but it eventually catches up with them when facing really good teams who can defend them. But for the most, running QB's dont win SB championships..... Traditional QB's win the majority of SB's, I'll take a Traditional style QB who can run if he had to, over any highlight reel monster any day and twice on Sundays.

 

Unfortunately, I am not convinced this Front Office doesn't fall for the highlight reel guys. 

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah it'd be such a terrible thing for the young QB to play better. 

LOL, thats not what I stated. BUt thats all you read. 

 

8 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

Of course, but in terms of Brady there is no one comparable.   Tonight even though Allen lost, he makes throws only a few guys can make.   Obviously the more a prospect brings to the draft, the higher they go. Jamarcus Russel may have had the one of the strongest arms ever, but a 10 cent head, quoting a classic of course from Crash Davis to Nuke LaLoosh.  

Btw, to anyone who wants to feel old, Bill Durham came out in 1988, Ozzie Smith was the highest paid player at the time, with a whopping $2.3 million a year salary, lol, pauper.  Our own Michael Jack Schmidt was the 3rd highest at $2.2 million. Stinkin Neil Lomax then with the famed Arizona Cardinals made $1.5 million and pretty much tied with Dan Marino for the highest in football.  It’s funny, the articles back then of people moaning about athletes salaries.  

Btww, I hated the St Louis Cardinals when they were in the NFC East, I can remember my Dad popping Valium when the Eagles played them because he said " bleeping Eagles always play down to those scrubs, they shouldn’t even field a team, suns a biches shouldn’t even field a team.”    The struggle was real!

 
 

 

We are now the St Louis Cardinals

4 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

We are now the St Louis Cardinals

You either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The risk is a coin toss. which is why the WP is better if you went for it. 

I'd rather have my fate in my 6'5'' mobile QB and top tier offense then a coin flip where

It's silly to think that going for it was the wrong choice. People really can't separate the decision from the result. 

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

what I fear most, is with the schedule lightening up a bit, that we win games and this makes the Front Office think we can win with Hurts as QB..... if playing inferior teams gives the impression Hurts is playing better, giving them a false sense of hope. 

Would be the worst mistake we could make and would haunt us for additional years. 

I disagree. The worst mistake would be to use prime draft capital in 2022 on a guy who can’t play.

If (this is obviously a BIG if) you hit a home run with the 2022 draft class (adding a DB, DE, LB) and have a decent 2022 you become the type of team a superstar veteran QB wants to join in 2023.

If you draft Carson Strong or Malik Willis and they can’t play dead, then you’re first hope for improvement comes in 2024.

1 minute ago, SB52 said:

I disagree. The worst mistake would be to use prime draft capital in 2022 on a guy who can’t play.

If (this is obviously a BIG if) you hit a home run with the 2022 draft class (adding a DB, DE, LB) and have a decent 2022 you become the type of team a superstar veteran QB wants to join in 2023.

If you draft Carson Strong or Malik Willis and they can’t play dead, then you’re first hope for improvement comes in 2024.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2023/all/quarterback//

Tom Brady 

When does Howie reach out to Tennessee about Steven Nelson?

Just now, ManuManu said:

When does Howie reach out to Tennessee about Steven Nelson?

Hopefully before the game ended last night. 

2 minutes ago, SB52 said:

I disagree. The worst mistake would be to use prime draft capital in 2022 on a guy who can’t play.

If (this is obviously a BIG if) you hit a home run with the 2022 draft class (adding a DB, DE, LB) and have a decent 2022 you become the type of team a superstar veteran QB wants to join in 2023.

If you draft Carson Strong or Malik Willis and they can’t play dead, then you’re first hope for improvement comes in 2024.

we will disagree, the worst mistake is thinking Hurts can be your guy, it sets you back, WHEN YOU HAD THE CAPITAL to do something to get a QB. WHether it,s draft because you really like a guy, or trade for a proven QB or what ever, if you dont like any in the draft, you parlay by trading for 2023 1st rd pick. 

BUt wasting time on Hurts would set us back YEARS, because we will have the capital in 2022 to do something. 

 

If fact drafting Hurts has set us back. PERIOD

14 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its a catch 22. If Siriana is always calling timeouts to fix issues his QB should be able to fix, but cant, people will be complaining about Siriani burning TOs. 

Its a completely ridiculous expectation to ask for this when an NFL QB should be able to do this stuff on his own. 

Or an alternative explanation is that Sirianni gets Hurts to understand what to look for so he makes the correct audible at the line.  I agree that Hurts is an issue.  He has problems with mechanics, decision making, pocket presence and arm strength.  My bigger issue is that the problems have gotten worse. If you add to Hurts' woes the fact that the designed run game is practically non-existent I think there is a coaching issue.  Now in fairness the run/pass ratio may be driven by Lurie/Howie.  Sirianni still could take control and address it through playcalling. If he feels like his hands are tied or that things are heading in the right direction, he's not ever going to be  a good coach for this team.  I am not saying that he needs to go but there are issues on this team that go beyond Hurts and give me concern about any QB prospect at this point.   

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It's silly to think that going for it was the wrong choice. People really can't separate the decision from the result. 

I’d have been more for going for a fg if the bills defense had stopped the titans at any point in the last 3 quarters. If you take away the titans last possession before the end of the first half where they just ran the clock out, they had scored on 6 straight possessions and 4 were tds. The bills defense was not stopping the titans. So i rather control my own destiny with the ball in josh Allen’s hands rather than hope i win the coin toss or if i lose the toss stop the titans or hold them to a Fg. 

Let's say we end up with 3 picks inside the top 15. I think the absolute most prudent thing to do would be to trade back from one of those picks, hopefully still getting 3 first rounders in 2022 (say trade down to 25-30) and then pick up another first for 2023. Having 5 first round picks in 2 years would be huge. And, if played properly, you could even do it again the next year, still getting 2 firsts and picking up another one. 

 

The only catch to all of that.....is Howie....though, to his credit, he is good at moving around the draft board, it's just actually selecting players where he fails. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d have been more for going for a fg if the bills defense had stopped the titans at any point in the last 3 quarters. If you take away the titans last possession before the end of the first half where they just ran the clock out, they had scored on 6 straight possessions and 4 were tds. The bills defense was not stopping the titans. So i rather control my own destiny with the ball in josh Allen’s hands rather than hope i win the coin toss or if i lose the toss stop the titans or hold them to a Fg. 

Against the Titans especially....the longer the game goes, the more susceptible your defense becomes to that monster Henry run. He busted one off early in the game, but if it goes to OT, he is really great at ending games on huge runs.  

15 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You can downgrade what he did in 2014-15 but he still had to work to get into that position and then work to get another to get to OC to get to HC. Like he could’ve been canned and never heard from again or stayed a mid level assistant. I’m not saying sirianni is great or even good but he was a HC candidate in 2019 offseason to the point the colts were worried about losing him and the athletic did a detail article on him during that time   

ok he coached Dak, joe Brady coached burrow. How’s that going for Carolina right now with darnold regressing? He’s 6 games into his NFL QB coaching career. Given hurts who wasn’t expected to be the guy going forward as for over a month after the season ended schefter and mortensen kept saying it was going to be wentz until they were forced to deal him. Add on the eagles have been linked to Zach Wilson, watson and Russell Wilson  

Maybe the second round QB who was drafted to be a backup Qb is basically just a backup QB. If we bring in a QB we believe is the franchise QB and they are failing at that point I’d state they stink. However hurts who most thought was overdrafted and destined to be a backup not a starter you get what people said when he was drafted. Literally his scouting report weaknesses are exactly the same as when he came out. 

I have no clue whether sirianni and his staff is any good. I lean toward probably not however i need to also see it with competent QB cause if it’s the same issues we know the coaching staff isn’t right and we need a QB. 

Also believe if you have the talent at QB you can pull the right coach or any coach you want (assuming you don’t have lurie and howie playing power games). I think someone like daboll is much more attainable to any franchise if you had someone in place like Justin herbert who had tremendous upside then question marks for the future at the QB position.  

Sirianni was dealt the hand he was dealt.  Any team is going to look better with competent QB play.  It's just the success of any player and especially a QB is dependent on the team environment.  The fact that Wentz went downhill here was attributable to the lack of talent at receiver and mediocre offensive coaching.  Wentz being here with Sirianni may not make this team look better despite the talent at receiver.  

Again this debate for me isn't about Hurts.  I am not going to argue that he will become some franchise QB with better coaching.  I do think Hurts has not improved. You're right that the lack of improvement could be entirely on Hurts.  Even if that is the case, then why isn't Sirianni doing more to limit his decisions.  Learning is done incrementally.  People do not become experts in any field overnight and often throwing a person too much just prevents them from learning any one aspect of a job correctly.  I think that's where the team is with Hurts.  I think that is a coaching issue.  

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Sirianni was dealt the hand he was dealt.  Any team is going to look better with competent QB play.  It's just the success of any player and especially a QB is dependent on the team environment.  The fact that Wentz went downhill here was attributable to the lack of talent at receiver and mediocre offensive coaching.  Wentz being here with Sirianni may not make this team look better despite the talent at receiver.  

Again this debate for me isn't about Hurts.  I am not going to argue that he will become some franchise QB with better coaching.  I do think Hurts has not improved. You're right that the lack of improvement could be entirely on Hurts.  Even if that is the case, then why isn't Sirianni doing more to limit his decisions.  Learning is done incrementally.  People do not become experts in any field overnight and often throwing a person too much just prevents them from learning any one aspect of a job correctly.  I think that's where the team is with Hurts.  I think that is a coaching issue.  

I strongly disagree with this statement. We're definitely 3-3 with him (beating San Fran), and possibly 4-2 (maybe they win a shootout with KC, probably not tho)

At some point you can only coach a guy so much. Hurts is making mistakes that a high school QB wouldn't make. That's beyond help

 

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Realistically the highest I think we'd get from the Colts is 18ish, but realistically if the titans go on a run theyre shutting wentz down and it becomes a 2nd

Exactly.

Want me to be the road team, in over time(coin flip) and by defense cant stop a pop warner team. no thanks

Even if the Titans go on a run of some kind, the Colts schedule and their recent play probably has them in the chase for the wild card. I think somebody mentioned if he makes it past week 12 or so playing every snap he'll hit the mark we need. They aren't going to just bench him in week 11 if the Titans have the division locked up. 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Against the Titans especially....the longer the game goes, the more susceptible your defense becomes to that monster Henry run. He busted one off early in the game, but if it goes to OT, he is really great at ending games on huge runs.  

I really can't remember a RB with Henry's ability and size.  I think Christian Okoye is the closest but he did not have Henry's speed. He also was slightly smaller.  

16 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Sirianni was dealt the hand he was dealt.  Any team is going to look better with competent QB play.  It's just the success of any player and especially a QB is dependent on the team environment.  The fact that Wentz went downhill here was attributable to the lack of talent at receiver and mediocre offensive coaching.  Wentz being here with Sirianni may not make this team look better despite the talent at receiver.  

Again this debate for me isn't about Hurts.  I am not going to argue that he will become some franchise QB with better coaching.  I do think Hurts has not improved. You're right that the lack of improvement could be entirely on Hurts.  Even if that is the case, then why isn't Sirianni doing more to limit his decisions.  Learning is done incrementally.  People do not become experts in any field overnight and often throwing a person too much just prevents them from learning any one aspect of a job correctly.  I think that's where the team is with Hurts.  I think that is a coaching issue.  

Tbh i don’t think sirianni and the eagles knowing they are in a rebuild are trying to just solely trying to win games. They are trying to see if hurts can make all the throws and right decisions with the ball. The more passes he throws and the more information they have on him as a QB. The more misreads, poor decisions, lack of pocket awareness and taking off in a clean pocket the more they recognize going forward they don’t have the right guy at Qb regardless of sirianni being here or not. I’m 100% positive lurie and howie want to know if hurts can throw the ball and improve on that and show he can become an elite franchise QB. To me that’s what this whole season was about. Sure they can script a game plan that suits hurts skill set better which means less passing and more of a ground attack so the game isn’t out entire on his shoulders and probably win games against marginal and mediocre teams. IMO the goal isn’t to just win football games in a rebuild but know if hurts can be a passing QB and carry the eagles if need be cause there’s going to be times against better opponents down the road where you need your QB to do so. 

I’m happy lamar jackson has shown improvements as a passer this year. He’s made tremendous strides. it gives some hope to dual threat QBs who weren’t great passers coming out of college and people downgraded cause of that. But for me to fully buy in he needs to show it to me in the playoffs and that type of situation he can do it then. I know he can do it regular season. Cause at some point in time in the postseason, he’s gonna have to do it with his arm and likely a game where he’s forced to carry his team.   

52 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah it'd be such a terrible thing for the young QB to play better. 

Against inferior opponents, giving the FO the impression he is better than he actually is.  Yes, that would be absolutely terrible.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I really can't remember a RB with Henry's ability and size.  I think Christian Okoye is the closest but he did not have Henry's speed. He also was slightly smaller.  

That long run last night was insane. Looked like he was bottled up for like a 5 yard gain, then just takes off, going almost as fast as Davion Taylor. It was unreal. 

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

When does Howie reach out to Tennessee about Steven Nelson?

This is the move. Nelson for a 4th. 

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I see the AFC WC#3 needing at least 10 wins... maybe 11. 

I just dont see if playing out "perfectly" where the colts are in the hunt  but dont make it. 

Divsion winners:

Bills

Ravens

Titans

Chiefs (yes they're flawed, but they're still great and I think they end up winning the division, but you could argue Chargers)

WC 1 - Chargers

WC 2 - ???

WC 3 - ???

Basically it's between the Raiders, Bengals, Colts, Patriots, Browns. Maybe the Steelers make a push. Each of those teams has at least 2 losses right now. 

You think those teams go 7-4 over the course of the year? I don't. I would think a 9-8 team is the last wild card spot. 

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

When does Howie reach out to Tennessee about Steven Nelson?

could get into a bidding war tbh. Bucs, titans, GB and cardinals could all use upgrades at corner. 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Against inferior opponents, giving the FO the impression he is better than he actually is.  Yes, that would be absolutely terrible.

 

Not sure who was expecting a young inexperienced QB to play well against good teams.  Coming out of these first 6 weeks 2-4 is about as good as anyone could have expected with this early season schedule. 

Making a run for that 7th seed would speak well for Hurts.