28 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Let's say we end up with 3 picks inside the top 15. I think the absolute most prudent thing to do would be to trade back from one of those picks, hopefully still getting 3 first rounders in 2022 (say trade down to 25-30) and then pick up another first for 2023. Having 5 first round picks in 2 years would be huge. And, if played properly, you could even do it again the next year, still getting 2 firsts and picking up another one. 

 

The only catch to all of that.....is Howie....though, to his credit, he is good at moving around the draft board, it's just actually selecting players where he fails. 

We can keep doing that until we own an entire first round!

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I strongly disagree with this statement. We're definitely 3-3 with him (beating San Fran), and possibly 4-2 (maybe they win a shootout with KC, probably not tho)

At some point you can only coach a guy so much. Hurts is making mistakes that a high school QB wouldn't make. That's beyond help

Well now I am just going to have to call you a Wentz washer because you disagree with me.  

No, I am not going to say Wentz isn't a better QB.  He has a much better arm although he has accuracy issues that limit his game. He also has issues with pocket presence.  I don't know that Wentz will ever be a top 10 QB again.  I do think he could make a team a playoff team.  

Wentz doesn't matter.  I think the question with any QB prospect is how they develop.  Even if the team trades for a veteran in Watson or Wilson, the question of scheme and coaching is important.  McVay succeeded with Goff on a very talented roster.  Pederson succeeded here with Reich and DeFillipo pushing Wentz.  I just am seeing little out of Siranni, Steichen and Johnson to make me believe that they could succeed with a different QB. Sure, a better QB makes this team better.  

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Not sure who was expecting a young inexperienced QB to play well against good teams.  Coming out of these first 6 weeks 2-4 is about as good as anyone could have expected with this early season schedule. 

Making a run for that 7th seed would speak well for Hurts. 

I was expecting Hurts to not be good and I was right. The guy has below average arm talent and horrible processing skills. But keep defending him tooth and nail. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Well now I am just going to have to call you a Wentz washer because you disagree with me.  

No, I am not going to say Wentz isn't a better QB.  He has a much better arm although he has accuracy issues that limit his game. He also has issues with pocket presence.  I don't know that Wentz will ever be a top 10 QB again.  I do think he could make a team a playoff team.  

Wentz doesn't matter.  I think the question with any QB prospect is how they develop.  Even if the team trades for a veteran in Watson or Wilson, the question of scheme and coaching is important.  McVay succeeded with Goff on a very talented roster.  Pederson succeeded here with Reich and DeFillipo pushing Wentz.  I just am seeing little out of Siranni, Steichen and Johnson to make me believe that they could succeed with a different QB. Sure, a better QB makes this team better.  

Our roster is the opposite. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i don’t think sirianni and the eagles knowing they are in a rebuild are trying to just solely trying to win games. They are trying to see if hurts can make all the throws and right decisions with the ball. The more passes he throws and the more information they have on him as a QB. The more misreads, poor decisions, lack of pocket awareness and taking off in a clean pocket the more they recognize going forward they don’t have the right guy at Qb regardless of sirianni being here or not. I’m 100% positive lurie and howie want to know if hurts can throw the ball and improve on that and show he can become an elite franchise QB. To me that’s what this whole season was about. Sure they can script a game plan that suits hurts skill set better which means less passing and more of a ground attack so the game isn’t out entire on his shoulders and probably win games against marginal and mediocre teams. IMO the goal isn’t to just win football games in a rebuild but know if hurts can be a passing QB and carry the eagles if need be cause there’s going to be times against better opponents down the road where you need your QB to do so. 

I’m happy lamar jackson has shown improvements as a passer this year. He’s made tremendous strides. it gives some hope to dual threat QBs who weren’t great passers coming out of college and people downgraded cause of that. But for me to fully buy in he needs to show it to me in the playoffs and that type of situation he can do it then. I know he can do it regular season. Cause at some point in time in the postseason, he’s gonna have to do it with his arm and likely a game where he’s forced to carry his team.   

Again, learning is a process and they have to incrementally help him with making the right throws.  It's possible he's doing it in practice but I think the issues he has in games are the issues he is having in practice.  They shouldn't just be testing him but helping him learn.  Hurts accounting for essentially 75% of the offense isn't helping him.  

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Raiders, Chiefs and Chargers all end up with 10 or more I think. Also see Cinncy and the Browns flirting with 10 wins. 

If I had to pick we end up around 20 for the colts. if not my 2nd guess would be the 2nd, but i hope its top 15

 

 

So you think the Colts make the playoffs? I think they end up right around 8-9 wins, I think likely no more than 10. But even then, at 8-9, they'll be in the hunt in December for that last WC spot. Which means they won't just bench Wentz with a phantom injury. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Wentz is a top 10 QB right now. 

 

Just like big Ben? 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Again, learning is a process and they have to incrementally help him with making the right throws.  It's possible he's doing it in practice but I think the issues he has in games are the issues he is having in practice.  They shouldn't just be testing him but helping him learn.  Hurts accounting for essentially 75% of the offense isn't helping him.  

But again coaching can only do so much. We've seen plays almost every game, where there's a guy open underneath (Goedert against San Fran I think) for an easy first down, and Hurts just tries to make a more difficult throw to a different WR. Even though he can clearly see the open guy. He's just dumb, too dumb, and even the greatest coach in the world can't fix stupid. 

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Wentz is a top 10 QB right now. 

 

He has a 57% completion rate and is 25th in passing yards.  His QBR is 34th.  But OK top 10 since he's not here. 

edit My bad that's 2020.  He's 12th in yards and QB rating.  

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think the only way we get there pick is if they make the playoffs or lose out on a playoff spot week 18. 

Both situations  give us there pick "around" 20th overall

I think the last pick for a non-playoff team is 18? So sure, around 20. But again, I think the Colts will be in the hunt for the last WC into December, which should trigger the Wentz snaps regardless of if they actually make it in. 

The great news is, it looks like between us and Miami, we have 2 almost guaranteed top 10 picks which is nice. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Cant tell you the last time Big Ben was top 10. 

Again, Eagles I still use the EMB's #1 Cliche tells us to hate on the guy, but if you watched him play you'd see how well he's playing and how he continues to leave his team in winning positions 

He looks like the same Wentz.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

He has a 57% completion rate and is 25th in passing yards.  His QBR is 34th.  But OK top 10 since he's not here. 

He had a slow start, but over the last 3-4 weeks he's been really good. 

In the past three weeks (in which Indy’s gone 2-1), Wentz has connected on 60 of 87 attempts for 853 yards with six touchdowns and zero interceptions, averaged 9.8 yards per attempt, and tallied a 123.4 passer rating. He’s taken just six sacks and lost just one fumble.

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I was expecting Hurts to not be good and I was right. The guy has below average arm talent and horrible processing skills. But keep defending him tooth and nail. 

 

He deserves a fair chance.  We will see how he plays over the rest of the season.  Hopefully he gets the assistance from Sirianni instead of having to deal with really horrendous coaching. 

 

Too many people have unrealistic expectations fueled by a clear hate for the kid.  A lot of people that honestly deserve to watch the low level of play this team is getting. Josh Allen would have never survived this fanbase.  This fanbase is not at all deserving of a good QB. 

 

 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

He deserves a fair chance.  We will see how he plays over the rest of the season. 

Yup.

Hurts may fail...but let him so we know for sure he's not the guy. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Divsion winners:

Bills

Ravens

Titans

Chiefs (yes they're flawed, but they're still great and I think they end up winning the division, but you could argue Chargers)

WC 1 - Chargers

WC 2 - ???

WC 3 - ???

Basically it's between the Raiders, Bengals, Colts, Patriots, Browns. Maybe the Steelers make a push. Each of those teams has at least 2 losses right now. 

You think those teams all go 7-4 over the course of the year? I don't. I would think a 9-8 team is the last wild card spot. 

Tbh the last wild card team could be an 8-9 team looking at the schedules for each of those teams.

Browns dealing with injuries to chubb, hunt and baker. At 3-3 their schedule is:  vs. Denver (th), vs. Steelers, at bengals, at NE, vs. lions, at Baltimore, bye, vs Baltimore, vs Vegas, at gb, at Steelers and vs. bengals. Probably better than 8-9 but their injuries are mounting up and to key players too. 

Raiders still have a tough road ahead. Vs. Philly, bye, at giants, vs. KC, vs. bengals, at Dallas, vs. Washington, at KC, at browns, vs Denver, at colts and vs. chargers.

Bengals are fascinating to me cause burrow looks good so far and that offense should be able to put up points. Their schedule is definitely harder after their bye week. Got ravens this week on the road, then at jets and home to Cleveland. After the bye at Vegas, vs. Steelers, vs chargers, vs niners, at Denver, vs. ravens, vs. KC and at browns. 

i think the colts get to 8 wins if wentz just stays healthy with their schedule. This week is a toss up at niners. Then they got vs. titans, at jets, vs. jags. Then their toughest stretch the rest of the way at bills and at Bucs. Followed by at houston, vs. ne, at Arizona, vs. raiders and at jags. There’s 4 wins easily with the Texans, jags twice, and jets. I think they likely win 2 of 3 against niners, NE and raiders. 

to me i think the Steelers get worse as the season goes on as Big Ben looks bad now. I can’t imagine what he looks like later in the year. and that defense is nowhere near as good as last year. 

NE could go either way. I suspect Mac jones gets better as the season progresses. Plus their schedule is reasonable: vs. jets, at chargers, at Carolina, vs. browns, at atlanta, vs titans, at bills, at Indy, vs. bills, vs jags and at Miami. I tend to see them going 7-10 unless they beat Indy in Indy. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

He had a slow start, but over the last 3-4 weeks he's been really good. 

In the past three weeks (in which Indy’s gone 2-1), Wentz has connected on 60 of 87 attempts for 853 yards with six touchdowns and zero interceptions, averaged 9.8 yards per attempt, and tallied a 123.4 passer rating. He’s taken just six sacks and lost just one fumble.

I was looking at 2020.  I was wrong.  Again, my debate isn't whether Wentz is better. He is better. Roseman should have been fired before they traded him.  Wentz doesn't have anything to do with the Eagles.  Sirianni is the issue.  

 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He deserves a fair chance.  We will see how he plays over the rest of the season.  Hopefully he gets the assistance from Sirianni instead of having to deal with really horrendous coaching. 

 

Too many people have unrealistic expectations fueled by a clear hate for the kid.  A lot of people that honestly deserve to watch the low level of play this team is getting. Josh Allen would have never survived this fanbase.  This fanbase is not at all deserving of a good QB. 

 

 

 

Just now, RLC said:

Yup.

Hurts may fail...but let him so we know for sure he's not the guy. 

He's getting as fair a chance as you can have. His issues are mental, clearly, and they aren't fixable. He's just too dumb to play QB in the NFL. He needs to switch to a career as an RB, I think he'd actually be decent. Throwing away a football on a free offsides play is just completely inexcusable to me. And considering he had a throwaway on a 4th down play a game or two before, clearly he isn't correcting past mistakes. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I was looking at 2020.  I was wrong.  Again, my debate isn't whether Wentz is better. He is better. Roseman should have been fired before they traded him.  Wentz doesn't have anything to do with the Eagles.  Sirianni is the issue.  

 

He's not the issue, he maybe one of many. It's really too early to say for him honestly. 

What time is Ben’s presser?

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He deserves a fair chance.  We will see how he plays over the rest of the season.  Hopefully he gets the assistance from Sirianni instead of having to deal with really horrendous coaching. 

 

Too many people have unrealistic expectations fueled by a clear hate for the kid.  A lot of people that honestly deserve to watch the low level of play this team is getting. Josh Allen would have never survived this fanbase.  This fanbase is not at all deserving of a good QB. 

 

 

You have some issues dealing with conflict.  There's no hate for him aside for him as a player.   The fans have no impact on the quality of a team.  I am not sure why that's even relevant. 

2 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

What time is Ben’s presser?

I've heard 11:30

19 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Again, learning is a process and they have to incrementally help him with making the right throws.  It's possible he's doing it in practice but I think the issues he has in games are the issues he is having in practice.  They shouldn't just be testing him but helping him learn.  Hurts accounting for essentially 75% of the offense isn't helping him.  

Or maybe the Eagles and practice are saying that we’re not helping ourselves long term or hurts if we just cater to being a running team and not allow him to get better at his weakness which is throwing the football and making decisions with the football. Maybe they believe giving him the most opportunities in a rebuilding season lost season that eventually the lightbulb moment will happen and he’ll start making bigger and bigger jumps and improvements to what they believe they need in this era of football.

also I think some Eagles fans have made excuses about what the Eagles showed us all off-season. Consistently they were tied to every single quarterback that became available.  I think that it was glossed over as people just say oh those are BS rumors or maybe the Eagles were trying to tell us something that people just didn’t want to accept. That maybe when they drafted him in the second round they truly believed he would just be a back up

this isn’t letting Sirianni the off the hook. Because even they put Minshew out there I don’t think this offense is going to remotely be a top 16 offense in the league. However We are missing basic throws and easy throws that would continue to drive because our quarterback is either just taking off without going through progressions, poor throws or just not making the right throw.

Just now, garingovt2000 said:

I've heard 11:30

Thanks

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Or maybe the Eagles and practice are saying that we’re not helping ourselves long term or hurts if we just cater to being a running team and not allow him to get better at his weakness which is throwing the football and making decisions with the football. Maybe they believe giving him the most opportunities in a rebuilding season lost season that eventually the lightbulb moment will happen and he’ll start making bigger and bigger jumps and improvements to what they believe they need in this era of football.

also I think some Eagles fans have made excuses about what the Eagles showed us all off-season. Consistently they were tied to every single quarterback that became available.  I think that it glossed over as people just say oh those are BS rumors or maybe the Eagles were trying to tell us something that people just didn’t want to except. That maybe when they drafted him in the second round he truly believed he would just be a back up

I remember Doug being very excited when they drafted him. I would love to know who was really pushing for him. From the outside looking in, it looks like Howie/Doug/Jeff agreed we needed a back up after seeing McCown against Seattle. And for whatever reason they liked Hurts. Howie's stupidity in telling Wentz about it, then still going ahead with the pick when Wentz expressed his concerns with it, is something else. I totally understand the need/want for a good, solid back up QB. But drafting this guy was not the way to go about it. And it FUBAR'ed this team for at least a few years. 

12 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He deserves a fair chance.  We will see how he plays over the rest of the season.  Hopefully he gets the assistance from Sirianni instead of having to deal with really horrendous coaching. 

 

Too many people have unrealistic expectations fueled by a clear hate for the kid.  A lot of people that honestly deserve to watch the low level of play this team is getting. Josh Allen would have never survived this fanbase.  This fanbase is not at all deserving of a good QB. 

 

 

Josh Allen has a canon for an arm. Hurts got benched in a college game because he couldn’t throw.