7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

We need to see that target share go up. 

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The more time goes by, the better the chance of us trading for Watson.   And the cheaper the compensation becomes.  I wouldn't spend anything more than 2 firsts.  And Miami's first is off the board.  

After listening to Ian Rappaport on a podcast, the Eagles were definitely trying to get Deshaun Watson. You don’t have high-ranking officials talk to Watson’s camp and your chief of security to investigate in Houston on what’s going on unless you are committed to making that trade. If the Eagles could get Deshaun Watson they are going to do it. I think it comes down to if they can convince Deshaun Watson to actually want to come to the Eagles. That to me is the bigger question. Because you have mcclain and Wilson saying he doesn’t want to go to the Eagles. But Gary Cobb has been pretty adamant that he has a source telling him from Deshaun Watson‘s camp that he would go to the Eagles. 

i tend to think the eagles will have the best package of any team offering for watson but possibly not get him cause he’ll force the Texans to take Miami’s deal. 

@LeanMeanGM

Lions 27 - Eagles 18  - Bonus prediction - this result provides some clarity for Lowie and so is the last game as starter for Jalen Hurts (benched)

When 0 & 7 Lions wins its first game then its time to start Minshew and end this comedy

Minshew will at least be serviceable and enable better evaluation of the O-Line WRS and RBs. Trade veterans (Cox, Johnson etc for picks before deadline)

2 Top 7 Picks, top 20 pick, plus high 2nd rd pick to start the rebuild. Roll with Minshew for 2022 so we can address CB, S, DE or OL or trade a 1st to enable 2 1st rd picks in 2023 to get the QB.

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Fair -- but Aaron Rodgers only has 1 Super Bowl in 14 years because people say he doesn't have enough talent around him (although I think the actual reason is he's an entitled flake).  It's a tricky argument which step to take first.

My only issue with building the team first and then trying to get your QB, is this assumes a franchise QB will be avail to you when your team is built or at least has a foundation. 

 

To me since the QB is the hardest get and there are fewer QB's then there are teams in the NFL, you have to get that one when one is avail.  The #s dont lie, the majority of SB's are won by teams with elite QB's. 

The question to me is, who is an elite QB? Watson, Rodgers, or draft prospect?  We know Hurts is not. 

9 minutes ago, MarkFrizzell said:

@LeanMeanGM

Lions 27 - Eagles 18  - Bonus prediction - this result provides some clarity for Lowie and so is the last game as starter for Jalen Hurts (benched)

When 0 & 7 Lions wins its first game then its time to start Minshew and end this comedy

Minshew will at least be serviceable and enable better evaluation of the O-Line WRS and RBs. Trade veterans (Cox, Johnson etc for picks before deadline)

2 Top 7 Picks, top 20 pick, plus high 2nd rd pick to start the rebuild. Roll with Minshew for 2022 so we can address CB, S, DE or OL or trade a 1st to enable 2 1st rd picks in 2023 to get the QB.

Cox, Johnson, Brooks, McLeod, Barnett...I would take what I could get.  The only tradeable vet I would be 100% no on trading is Kelce.

36 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

From who though?

Certainly not anyone with a brain.  Anyone who thinks this guy is starter material doesnt deserve to have an opinion worth talking about

Mostly from one particular community of people but I'm not gonna get into that.

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Cox, Johnson, Brooks, McLeod, Barnett...I would take what I could get.  The only tradeable vet I would be 100% no on trading is Kelce.

I agree. I wouldn't rule out Kelce retiring during the season if this continues.  I think it is getting to him and I wouldn't blame him.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

My only issue with building the team first and then trying to get your QB, is this assumes a franchise QB will be avail to you when your team is built or at least has a foundation. 

 

To me since the QB is the hardest get and there are fewer QB's then there are teams in the NFL, you have to get that one when one is avail.  The 3s dont lie, the majority of SB's are won by teams with elite QB's. 

The question to me is, who is an elite QB? Watson, Rodgers, or draft prospect?  We know Hurts is not. 

Yeah I’ve said the same thing in the past. You go get the QB you believe in and love when they are available. You don’t sit there and say you know it will get down the road when i build the team up.  There might not be one when you are ready to get that quarterback. And then you’re playing the waiting game until you do at that point. If there’s a quarterback out there that you love and think it’s a franchise quarterback going forward you go and find a way to get them. I don’t care what the team looks around him. you go out and you solve that issue and then I can work after that at fixing the other problems.

also it’s not like these picks the Eagles have a guarantee locks to be good or great. People just assume because the Eagles have these plethora of picks this is going to make great picks. We should be thanking the dolphins for taking Dion Jordan and not lane. Cause the eagles last time they finished in the top 5 of the draft (not traded up like with wentz) that’s who they wanted to take and were fortunate the dolphins saved us from ourselves.  

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Cox, Johnson, Brooks, McLeod, Barnett...I would take what I could get.  The only tradeable vet I would be 100% no on trading is Kelce.

Yup

5 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I agree. I wouldn't rule out Kelce retiring during the season if this continues.  I think it is getting to him and I wouldn't blame him.

I don't see a chance in hell that Kelce retires mid-season.  He has too much pride and grit to do that.  BUT, if I had to bet on whether he is here or not next year I heavily lean towards no.

He and BG can be the veterans in the locker room next year.  Both of those guys deserve to call it quits when it's THEIR call.

And if I could get a conditional 2025 7th rounder for Eric Wilson, I take it NOW.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah I’ve said the same thing in the past. You go get the QB you believe in and love when they are available. You don’t sit there and say you know it will get down the road when i build the team up.  There might not be one when you are ready to get that quarterback. And then you’re playing the waiting game until you do at that point. If there’s a quarterback out there that you love and think it’s a franchise quarterback going forward you go and find a way to get them. I don’t care what the team looks around him. you go out and you solve that issue and then I can work after that at fixing the other problems.

also it’s not like these picks the Eagles have a guarantee locks to be good or great. People just assume because the Eagles have these plethora of picks this is going to make great picks. We should be thanking the dolphins for taking Dion Jordan and not lane. Cause the eagles last time they finished in the top 5 of the draft (not traded up like with wentz) that’s who they wanted to take and were fortunate the dolphins saved us from ourselves.  

The problem is that we are talking about Howie's love and only Lurie trusts that.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah I’ve said the same thing in the past. You go get the QB you believe in and love when they are available. You don’t sit there and say you know it will get down the road when i build the team up.  There might not be one when you are ready to get that quarterback. And then you’re playing the waiting game until you do at that point. If there’s a quarterback out there that you love and think it’s a franchise quarterback going forward you go and find a way to get them. I don’t care what the team looks around him. you go out and you solve that issue and then I can work after that at fixing the other problems.

also it’s not like these picks the Eagles have a guarantee locks to be good or great. People just assume because the Eagles have these plethora of picks this is going to make great picks. We should be thanking the dolphins for taking Dion Jordan and not lane. Cause the eagles last time they finished in the top 5 of the draft (not traded up like with wentz) that’s who they wanted to take and were fortunate the dolphins saved us from ourselves.  

we do have a history of blowing high draft picks.  (1st and 2nd rd)  This team is living proof of that. 

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

The question to me is, who is an elite QB? Watson, Rodgers, or draft prospect?  We know Hurts is not.

Sadly -- I think an organization has to create their own elite QB.  Watson, Rodgers, and Wilson would become "un-elite" if they dropped themselves onto this team as it's constructed.  I think each of them know it and none of them will agree to be traded to Philly.  Watson is the most likely, and that would only happen if MIA leave the bidding.  Even then I don't think he would waive his no-trade clause to come work for Howie.

3 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I agree. I wouldn't rule out Kelce retiring during the season if this continues.  I think it is getting to him and I wouldn't blame him.

Eh i don’t see kelce quit like that. I definitely think  he retires at the end of the year or restructured his contract so that the eagles can trade him to a team that’s contending. 

6 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Cox, Johnson, Brooks, McLeod, Barnett...I would take what I could get.  The only tradeable vet I would be 100% no on trading is Kelce.

add miles sanders to the list, he cant stay healthy

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah I’ve said the same thing in the past. You go get the QB you believe in and love when they are available. You don’t sit there and say you know it will get down the road when i build the team up.  There might not be one when you are ready to get that quarterback. And then you’re playing the waiting game until you do at that point. If there’s a quarterback out there that you love and think it’s a franchise quarterback going forward you go and find a way to get them. I don’t care what the team looks around him. you go out and you solve that issue and then I can work after that at fixing the other problems.

also it’s not like these picks the Eagles have a guarantee locks to be good or great. People just assume because the Eagles have these plethora of picks this is going to make great picks. We should be thanking the dolphins for taking Dion Jordan and not lane. Cause the eagles last time they finished in the top 5 of the draft (not traded up like with wentz) that’s who they wanted to take and were fortunate the dolphins saved us from ourselves.  

Don’t forget the Jags taking Joeckel as well, that was an ugly draft.   Dude is still one of the highest graded lineman on some scouting reports. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Sadly -- I think an organization has to create their own elite QB.  Watson, Rodgers, and Wilson would become "un-elite" if they dropped themselves onto this team as it's constructed.  I think each of them know it and none of them will agree to be traded to Philly.  Watson is the most likely, and that would only happen if MIA leave the bidding.  Even then I don't think he would waive his no-trade clause to come work for Howie.

this is fair, and also sadly I dont know that Howie can spot a future franchise QB in the draft process

 

meaning we are doomed for years of failure until he is ousted and a real GM is hired. 

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

add miles sanders to the list, he cant stay healthy

Not gonna get much for him, if anything.  I don't see him getting extended though, for multiple reasons.  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh i don’t see kelce quit like that. I definitely think  he retires at the end of the year or restructured his contract so that the eagles can trade him to a team that’s contending. 

I wouldn't view that as quitting.  I see it more like a mental health situation.  If the situation is toxic, then he has a right to do what is best for him.

1 minute ago, CaliEagle said:

The problem is that we are talking about Howie's love and only Lurie trusts that.

They are going to do it anyways. I don’t get where people think that Jeffrey lurie is going to go into another year without getting a franchise quarterback that he wants. He showed you that at the end of the chip Kelly eta when he still signed Sam Bradford. He went out and got wentz. In fact this off-season he tried to get Zach Wilson, he was interested in Russell Wilson when rumors came out he wanted to be dealt and very interested in watson. He’s been trying to get that franchise quarterback since the beginning of this off-season when they traded Carson Wentz. So you know he’s not gonna go this off-season without getting that franchise quarterback. 

Just now, Outlaw said:

Not gonna get much for him, if anything.  I don't see him getting extended though, for multiple reasons.  

ill take a 7th or a case of beer. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are going to do it anyways. I don’t get where people think that Jeffrey lurie is going to go into another year without getting a franchise quarterback that he wants. He showed you that at the end of the chip Kelly eta when he still signed Sam Bradford. He went out and got wentz. In fact this off-season he tried to get Zach Wilson, he was interested in Russell Wilson when rumors came out he wanted to be dealt and very interested in watson. He’s been trying to get that franchise quarterback since the beginning of this off-season when they traded Carson Wentz. So you know he’s not gonna go this off-season without getting that franchise quarterback. 

As much as I want to, I can't disagree.  I just have this pie in the sky dream that Caleb Williams falls into our laps in 2024.  Damn eligibility rules.

1 minute ago, CaliEagle said:

I wouldn't view that as quitting.  I see it more like a mental health situation.  If the situation is toxic, then he has a right to do what is best for him.

Wouldn’t that just be quitting on a team because they’re not good? That’s what it sounds like. Because if they were good he wouldn’t be having a mental health issues. It’s not really a mental health issue when your team just sucks and you don’t want to be there because they suck. That’s called you have an employment problem.

He’s not gonna do that. I think he knew going into this year it was going to be bad and he wanted to be there to lead into the next era of Eagles football. be that leader that gets him to that point.. If he’s played through last year which was a dumpster fire as well and he was injured at one point (with his elbow I believe) he’s not gonna do it now.  

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are going to do it anyways. I don’t get where people think that Jeffrey lurie is going to go into another year without getting a franchise quarterback that he wants. He showed you that at the end of the chip Kelly eta when he still signed Sam Bradford. He went out and got wentz. In fact this off-season he tried to get Zach Wilson, he was interested in Russell Wilson when rumors came out he wanted to be dealt and very interested in watson. He’s been trying to get that franchise quarterback since the beginning of this off-season when they traded Carson Wentz. So you know he’s not gonna go this off-season without getting that franchise quarterback. 

I expect them to do that, too. But, I think it is the wrong decision unless a young QB emerges in college football that warrants a high first rounder.  If you draft a young QB and then force him to play early on a team with a very bad defense and that young QB has to throw it 50+ times a game because the team is losing before halftime, then you set him up for failure.  I would rather they go with a vet like Minshew next year and build up the roster and get the young QB in 2023 unless a good QB emerges in the draft. I wouldn't just go QB for the sake of doing it. But,  Lurie and Howie will do it.  No question.