2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are going to do it anyways. I don’t get where people think that Jeffrey lurie is going to go into another year without getting a franchise quarterback that he wants. He showed you that at the end of the chip Kelly eta when he still signed Sam Bradford. He went out and got wentz. In fact this off-season he tried to get Zach Wilson, he was interested in Russell Wilson when rumors came out he wanted to be dealt and very interested in watson. He’s been trying to get that franchise quarterback since the beginning of this off-season when they traded Carson Wentz. So you know he’s not gonna go this off-season without getting that franchise quarterback. 

This!   No way Lurie goes another year like this, one, the guy will be on this team next season, but it remains to be seen if the guy is The guy. 

On 10/25/2021 at 9:16 AM, Outlaw said:

As much as I want to, I can't disagree.  I just have this pie in the sky dream that Caleb Williams falls into our laps in 2024.  Damn eligibility rules.

Besides them still wanting Watson and trying to deal for both Wilson’s that indicated lurie is going to do this goes back to 2016 when they got wentz. This quote tells you everything you need to know 

Because in the NFL, it’s the one position you can’t just go get. And so when you have an opportunity, you’ve gotta take your shot, and you’ve gotta be bold. Otherwise, if you say to yourself, 'you know, it is probably a 50-50 shot that maybe the quarterback will be really good,' you can't let that deter you. So that’s how I look at it: You either have a really good QB and you compete for the Super Bowl, or you don’t and you are probably not competing for the Super Bowl. And that’s simple.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wouldn’t that just be quitting on a team because they’re not good? That’s what it sounds like. Because if they were good he wouldn’t be having a mental health issues. It’s not really a mental health issue when your team just sucks and you don’t want to be there because they suck. That’s called you have an employment problem.

He’s not gonna do that. I think he knew going into this year it was going to be bad and he wanted to be there to lead into the next era of Eagles football. be that leader that gets him to that point.. If he’s played through last year which was a dumpster fire as well and he was injured at one point (with his elbow I believe) he’s not gonna do it now.  

If there is a lot of dysfunction in the front office and they have hired unqualified coaches and the players are put in position to fail, then I don't think it's just a "team is bad" situation.  A toxic work environment is a toxic work environment.  I'm not saying it is, but it sure seems like it could be.

In other news, I'm betting on the Bears this week

1 minute ago, CaliEagle said:

If there is a lot of dysfunction in the front office and they have hired unqualified coaches and the players are put in position to fail, then I don't think it's just a "team is bad" situation.  A toxic work environment is a toxic work environment.  I'm not saying it is, but it sure seems like it could be.

He's making 5.6M this year...suck or not, I would literally wade in an olympic-sized pool of toxicity for 5.6M.

7 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

If there is a lot of dysfunction in the front office and they have hired unqualified coaches and the players are put in position to fail, then I don't think it's just a "team is bad" situation.  A toxic work environment is a toxic work environment.  I'm not saying it is, but it sure seems like it could be.

I just don’t see him walking away midseason. It would be a bad look at the end of a great career. Now I wouldn’t be surprised if he went to the Eagles and asked to be traded to a contender so he can finish his career on a good team instead of being on a bad team where they’re not going anywhere. I could see him doing that. I don’t think that’s talked enough about that he would ask the Eagles to trade him but I’m not sure contractually they can move his contract 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just don’t see him walking away midseason. It would be a bad look at the end of a great career. Now I wouldn’t be surprised if he went to the Eagles and asked to be traded to a contender so he can finish his career on a good team instead of being on a bad team where they’re not going anywhere. I could see him doing that. I don’t think that’s talked enough about that he would ask the Eagles to trade him but I’m not sure contractually move his contract 

That's a possibility, too.  I wouldn't fault him either way.  

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Give me a 5th for him. Build up a boat load of 5th's so we can trade them all for a 3rd lol

Howie prefers 6ths.

6 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

As much as I want to, I can't disagree.  I just have this pie in the sky dream that Caleb Williams falls into our laps in 2024.  Damn eligibility rules.

oh we could still be a dumpster fire in 2023 and still have a high 1st rd draft pick in 2024. 

5 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I expect them to do that, too. But, I think it is the wrong decision unless a young QB emerges in college football that warrants a high first rounder.  If you draft a young QB and then force him to play early on a team with a very bad defense and that young QB has to throw it 50+ times a game because the team is losing before halftime, then you set him up for failure.  I would rather they go with a vet like Minshew next year and build up the roster and get the young QB in 2023 unless a good QB emerges in the draft. I wouldn't just go QB for the sake of doing it. But,  Lurie and Howie will do it.  No question.

I think they’re going to force themselves into loving one of those quarterbacks coming out in this draft. And I think they’re going to be in position because the Dolphins might only win 3 or 4 games were they were going to be able to acquire that player without giving up the farm to do it. I wouldn’t do it unless I loved the QB. And I don’t mean I love the idea that I get the young franchise quarterback on a rookie contract and forced myself into loving them. I’m talking about when you watch the film and you grade jim out and you talk to him that you say man I need this guy to lead my franchise going forward.

I don’t think the Eagles are going to go that route. I think they’re gonna fall in love with the idea that they want a franchise quarterback and that’s when they’re just gonna take somebody and who knows if it works out. 

 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

In other news, I'm betting on the Bears this week

Watching some of the bears games the past two weeks, Khalil herbert has done everything Montgomery has done and is cheaper going forward. They might be in the same boat as the eagles with sanders. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think they’re going to force themselves into loving one of those quarterbacks coming out in this draft. And I think they’re going to be in position because the Dolphins might only win 3 or 4 games were they were going to be able to acquire that player without giving up the farm to do it. I wouldn’t do it unless I loved the QB. And I don’t mean I love the idea that I get the young franchise quarterback on a rookie contract and forced myself into loving them. I’m talking about when you watch the film and you grade jim out and you talk to him that you say man I need this guy to lead my franchise going forward.

I don’t think the Eagles are going to go that route. I think they’re gonna fall in love with the idea that they want a franchise quarterback and that’s when they’re just gonna take somebody and who knows if it works out. 

 

Right now we could end up with two top 5 picks with how things are going. The scary thing is that I can see Howie packaging both of them to move up to the 1st overall pick to get a QB prospect that isn't a sure fire thing. Every year QB prospects suddenly spike up at the last minute because the League values QBs so much that they often go higher than they should.

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

oh we could still be a dumpster fire in 2023 and still have a high 1st rd draft pick in 2024. 

🤞

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think they’re going to force themselves into loving one of those quarterbacks coming out in this draft. And I think they’re going to be in position because the Dolphins might only win 3 or 4 games were they were going to be able to acquire that player without giving up the farm to do it. I wouldn’t do it unless I loved the QB. And I don’t mean I love the idea that I get the young franchise quarterback on a rookie contract and forced myself into loving them. I’m talking about when you watch the film and you grade jim out and you talk to him that you say man I need this guy to lead my franchise going forward.

I don’t think the Eagles are going to go that route. I think they’re gonna fall in love with the idea that they want a franchise quarterback and that’s when they’re just gonna take somebody and who knows if it works out. 

 

This is what scares the crap out of me. That Jeff and Howie are going to decide that they HAVE to take the next franchise QB with a top 5-10 pick. So they'll end up overlooking all the warts and drafting a QB that will be destined to disappoint. You don't pass on a great QB talent if there is one, but forcing a pick much worse (look at the history of the Browns or Jets for evidence of this). 

Yes, we nailed it in 1999. And in 2016 it paid off with a Super Bowl before it went bad. But for every McNabb, there's a Sanchez -- someone the Jets talked themselves into who should never have gone that high.

24 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Problem is if you bench Hurts then you're gonna hear outrage that the Eagles didn't give him a fair chance and we all know other factors are going to come into question.

Give him till game 13 to see if their is improvement.  If not then play Minshew.  In the meantime they need to find their next QB while Minshew most likely starts the 2022 season.

There are dumb pundits that will say dumb things but none of the players or fans are really going to be outraged.    How does playing Minshew do anything? This coaching staff sucks.  Minshew is a back up.  Hurts is a back up.  As painful as this is, sticking with Hurts is more likely to lead to Howie's departure and that is worthwhile.  

5 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Right now we could end up with two top 5 picks with how things are going. The scary thing is that I can see Howie packaging both of them to move up to the 1st overall pick to get a QB prospect that isn't a sure fire thing. Every year QB prospects suddenly spike up at the last minute because the League values QBs so much that they often go higher than they should.

Tbh One of the reasons why I think they are so hell-bent on trying to get Deshaun Watson. besides the fact he’s still young is that they know he’s a proven top 10 quarterback and if they’re going to give up these picks that are very valuable they rather have the proven commodity who still young and can give them a decade of top 10 quarterback play. Assuming he doesn’t go to prison which I’m guessing since they sent people to Houston to investigate this whole thing that they believe he’s not going to 

 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

This is what scares the crap out of me. That Jeff and Howie are going to decide that they HAVE to take the next franchise QB with a top 5-10 pick. So they'll end up overlooking all the warts and drafting a QB that will be destined to disappoint. You don't pass on a great QB talent if there is one, but forcing a pick much worse (look at the history of the Browns or Jets for evidence of this). 

Yes, we nailed it in 1999. And in 2016 it paid off with a Super Bowl before it went bad. But for every McNabb, there's a Sanchez -- someone the Jets talked themselves into who should never have gone that high.

Especially considering the other options like Couch and Akili Smith...Reid absolutely made the right call.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh One of the reasons why I think they are so hell-bent on trying to get Deshaun Watson. besides the fact he’s still young is that they know he’s a proven top 10 quarterback and if they’re going to give up these pick  that are very valuable they rather have the proven commodity who still young and can give them a decade of top 10 quarterback play. Assuming he doesn’t go to prison which I’m guessing since they sent people to Houston to investigate this whole thing that they believe he’s not going to

The problem is that he showed a pattern of behavior.  I agree they will consider it. But, I wouldn't go that route.  Even if he doesn't go to prison, is he still going to engage in those patterns of behavior?  You are risking about 10 years of your franchise on him.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think they’re going to force themselves into loving one of those quarterbacks coming out in this draft. And I think they’re going to be in position because the Dolphins might only win 3 or 4 games were they were going to be able to acquire that player without giving up the farm to do it. I wouldn’t do it unless I loved the QB. And I don’t mean I love the idea that I get the young franchise quarterback on a rookie contract and forced myself into loving them. I’m talking about when you watch the film and you grade jim out and you talk to him that you say man I need this guy to lead my franchise going forward.

I don’t think the Eagles are going to go that route. I think they’re gonna fall in love with the idea that they want a franchise quarterback and that’s when they’re just gonna take somebody and who knows if it works out. 

 

Get ready to fall in love with Kenny Pickett

Just now, CaliEagle said:

The problem is that he showed a pattern of behavior.  I agree they will consider it. But, I wouldn't go that route.  Even if he doesn't go to prison, is he still going to engage in those patterns of behavior?  You are risking about 10 years of your franchise on him.

They are more willing to do it then you are. Based off of multiple reports now they were very interested in making a trade to the point where howie was talking to Deshaun Watson‘s camp about him coming to Philadelphia. And they sent people to Houston to investigate it and they were the ones pressing it the most according to Ian Rappaport. 

And I’m not saying you should trust him or it’s a smart move but it’s becoming more and more obvious the Eagles believe he’s not gonna go to prison and if they could make that move they probably would’ve already done so

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

If Tom Brady was the QB of the Eagles , how many more wins would they have ? Or would he be on IR ?

Maybe one more win ? 

Brady wouldn't bail out of the pocket. Sacks likely increase. There's plays to be made though. There's also been some horrible play calling but Brady would likely check out of a bad play

Just now, NCiggles said:

Get ready to fall in love with Kenny Pickett

That definitely feels like the type of kid the eagles would fall in love with. I also could see Carson strong as they tried hurts and would do the complete 180 from him as an over correction. And i like Strong just don’t love him. However haven’t watched a ton of his games. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are more willing to do it then you are. Based off of multiple reports now they were very interested in making a trade to the point where howie was talking to Deshaun Watson‘s camp about him coming to Philadelphia. And they sent people to Houston to investigate it and they were the ones pressing it the most according to Ian Rappaport. 

And I’m not saying you should trust him or it’s a smart move but it’s becoming more and more obvious the Eagles believe he’s not gonna go to prison and if they could make that move they probably would’ve already done so

I know they are.  Howie and Lurie are going to do what they do.  I'm hoping that Watson keeps his no trade clause, except to an AFC team.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That definitely feels like the type of kid the eagles would fall in love with. I also could see Carson strong as they tried hurts and would do the complete 180 from him as an over correction. And i like Strong just don’t love him. However haven’t watched a ton of his games. 

They had Carson Weak, so Carson Strong might make some sense if they decide to take the George Costanza approach.

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Especially considering the other options like Couch and Akili Smith...Reid absolutely made the right call.

The 1999 draft is a fantastic example. 5 sure fire, first round picks that everyone was excited about. Results:

Franchise QB -- 1 (McNabb)

Potential Franchise QB derailed by injury -- 1 (Culpepper)

Busts -- 3 (Couch, Smith and McNown)

Other drafts have been better, but even they had busts (1983 - Blackledge, maybe O'Brien), 2017 (Trubisky)

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are more willing to do it then you are. Based off of multiple reports now they were very interested in making a trade to the point where howie was talking to Deshaun Watson‘s camp about him coming to Philadelphia. And they sent people to Houston to investigate it and they were the ones pressing it the most according to Ian Rappaport. 

And I’m not saying you should trust him or it’s a smart move but it’s becoming more and more obvious the Eagles believe he’s not gonna go to prison and if they could make that move they probably would’ve already done so

Who knows the truth of the allegations.  Watson's behavior doesn't show a lot of stability.  Additionally, he has quit on his team because he thought it wasn't fair they didn't include him in the head coaching decision.  He's talented but he has real red flags.  What's to say that they trade for him and he doesn't do the same thing here or somewhere else assuming he doesn't face some long term suspension.  

Drafting a QB and sitting him behind Minshew makes more sense than the alternatives. Not sure what you do with Hurts at that point.