I am just glad to be listening to Eagle podcasts and hearing them all say that we do not have a QB.  It took a bit to catch on, but it's starting to be so clear that it can't be ignored.

This upcoming draft is the draft not to go QB early.  Every position group on this team needs young, less expensive talent.  With 4 picks likely in the top 40 ish; the defense can be remade.  Imperative to build a young talent base.  Getting myopic around a QB in this draft is idiotic. 

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

The Bears, Dolphins, Niners and Seahawks all traded away their first round pick in 2022. Yikes. 

Never traded future 1sts unless it's for a QB. Trading for Fields/Lance is at least defensible.

Waddle? Adams? YIKES.

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If we draft the wrong QB in 2022, that's a 3-5 year mistake that will take down a GM and 1-2 HCs (leaving aside the sarcasm about it being worth it to take down Howie).

If you stack up on team talent, you increase the margin for error at QB (a bit).  And I would gladly wait 1-2 years for the right QB, rather than burn half a decade on the wrong one before getting another chance.

We may already be in that 3 to 5 year mistake that will take down a GM and several HCs.  The position is not currently functional, so some of the urgency is justified.  My feeling continues to be that Minshew is a serviceable QB that you can build around while you wait for that right guy to pop up.  With Minshew, we can use this draft to start to refill the needs.  There is nothing to build around with Hurts'.  The only problem with the Minshew plan is that it likely lands you mid-1st and it is really hard to get the premium QB talent there.  

15 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

This upcoming draft is the draft not to go QB early.  Every position group on this team needs young, less expensive talent.  With 4 picks likely in the top 40 ish; the defense can be remade.  Imperative to build a young talent base.  Getting myopic around a QB in this draft is idiotic. 

No worries... they will trade 3 1sts for an older QB instead... or a 'young' QB that is also dealing with potential legal issues.

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

Never traded future 1sts unless it's for a QB. Trading for Fields/Lance is at least defensible.

Waddle? Adams? YIKES.

Antone Davis?

7 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

We may already be in that 3 to 5 year mistake that will take down a GM and several HCs.  The position is not currently functional, so some of the urgency is justified.  My feeling continues to be that Minshew is a serviceable QB that you can build around while you wait for that right guy to pop up.  With Minshew, we can use this draft to start to refill the needs.  There is nothing to build around with Hurts'.  The only problem with the Minshew plan is that it likely lands you mid-1st and it is really hard to get the premium QB talent there.  

We can only hope.

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

Which is why I hate drafting QBs until you build the team. If you have a talented team, a young QB is less likely to fail, we'll see if Lawrence and Wilson survive their teams.

Look at the top QBs, Rodgers was drafting in the 20s, Brady 6th rd, Brees a trade, Mahomes #10. Look at Stafford in LA v Detroit. Or Goff in Detroit v LA. Or Tannehill. Do you think Mahomes would have been successful going to a bad team and starting as a rookie, v going to KC and sitting for a season?

Reaching for a QB at the top of the draft is a fool's errand.

 

The key is sitting them for at least a year , Romo mentioned this , this past weekend , 99% of these rookie QBs simply aren’t ready to start .

10 hours ago, justrelax said:

Afan’s takes are many things but never moronic. I cannot say the same of yours or mine.

agree to disagree

23 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

agree to disagree

afan is right about one thing to be sure.

Teams miss on 2 out of 3 QB's drafted in the 1st rd, and, if you add that with Howies drafting success? 

 

This is why it may actually be better to trade your 1sts rd picks for a proven NFL QB like Rodgers or Watson. As long as Howie is doing the drafting. Having a bunch of picks, that Howie gambles with with the likes of Reagor, Jjaw, Sidney Jones, Hurts,  Barnett????   The odds for success with that recipe? is what 20-30 %???  You'd have to draft 4-5 QB's to get one that can possibly play. 

 

 

12 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

One hardly needs to go back that far to cite afan’s moronic takes

Correct

10 hours ago, justrelax said:

Afan’s takes are many things but never moronic. I cannot say the same of yours or mine.

Incorrect

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

afan is right about one thing to be sure.

Teams miss on 2 out of 3 QB's drafted in the 1st rd, and, if you add that with Howies drafting success? 

 

This is why it may actually be better to trade your 1sts rd picks for a proven NFL QB like Rodgers or Watson. As long as Howie is doing the drafting. Having a bunch of picks, that Howie gambles with with the likes of Reagor, Jjaw, Sidney Jones, Hurts,  Barnett????   The odds for success with that recipe? is what 20-30 %???  You'd have to draft 4-5 QB's to get one that can possibly play. 

 

 

I’d like to start winning again. Hell  I’d love an actual nfl QB. Getting Watson or Rodgers I’d be OK with. Howie still has to go though.

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

afan is right about one thing to be sure.

Teams miss on 2 out of 3 QB's drafted in the 1st rd, and, if you add that with Howies drafting success? 

 

This is why it may actually be better to trade your 1sts rd picks for a proven NFL QB like Rodgers or Watson. As long as Howie is doing the drafting. Having a bunch of picks, that Howie gambles with with the likes of Reagor, Jjaw, Sidney Jones, Hurts,  Barnett????   The odds for success with that recipe? is what 20-30 %???  You'd have to draft 4-5 QB's to get one that can possibly play. 

 

 

Trade for a 38 year old QB to add to a team that sucks?   Sounds like a terrible plan.

The Eagles are currently sitting with 11 picks for the draft in April — two 1sts, two 2nds, 3rd, 4th, three 5ths, two 6th.  Obviously one of the 2nds is tracking towards another 1st.

Looks like they’ll have 5 of the first 70-75 picks.  Really need to avoid going off the reservation with those first 5 picks; it’d be great to have some combination of DE, S, LB, CB and OL.  It’d be awesome to find more Driscoll, Gainwell and Watkins somewhere later as well.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Trade for a 38 year old QB to add to a team that sucks?   Sounds like a terrible plan.

First I'd take either Rodgers or Watson. Rodgers probably has 5-6 years left of good play

This team has a decent base, needs a QB, a new DC, and possibly a new HC. We need to get out from under older oft injured players (Brooks, Johnson, Sanders etc) With a good QB, FA  talent will be drawn here to play (like the Brady affect) Without one, you pay full price and are limited to whom is interested. 

We really need a new GM but...... 

You don’t need that many starters , some of these player will improve with better talent around them ,

10 hours ago, austinfan said:

Let's draft a franchise QB, it's so easy. I mean if you take one in the top ten, you're guaranteed to land a starter who'll instantly make you respectable, like D Jones or Darnold, or Lawrence and Wilson this year, or . . .

Last time I checked Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Wilson, et al. were, in fact, drafted.

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I agree with Rodgers... Disagree with everything else. 

This team does not have a good base. If you really broke it down, you probably need 10-12 Starters lol. 2 Line backers, 2 safeties, Who knows whats up with Lane. I'm not confident with Quez as wr2 and sure as F not happy with Reagor as WR3.  You need a qb, lord knows what you have in Sanders(he loves to get injuried and regression is his middle name). 

I've mentioned before, Eagles have a bottom 5-8 roster right now. 

Nah I think people underestimate how bad the defensive scheme is. Agree with the LB's, could use an upgrae in safeties. 

I dont see 10-12 starters needed I see possibly 4-6 (2 lb's 1-Ol, a safety or 2)  Everything else from there is SOP, as we work to upgrade and replace as needed through attrition

19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles are currently sitting with 11 picks for the draft in April — two 1sts, two 2nds, 3rd, 4th, three 5ths, two 6th.  Obviously one of the 2nds is tracking towards another 1st.

Looks like they’ll have 5 of the first 70-75 picks.  Really need to avoid going off the reservation with those first 5 picks; it’d be great to have some combination of DE, S, LB, CB and OL.  It’d be awesome to find more Driscoll, Gainwell and Watkins somewhere later as well.

This is exactly what you meant when you said don’t go off the reservation with this picks.  

4 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

You don’t need that many starters , some of these player will improve with better talent around them ,

 

6 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

You don’t need that many starters , some of these player will improve with better talent around them ,

and a better scheme. I dont care who you put out there if you play soft zone all game long and refuse to run the ball, you are gonna give up points and a ton of yards, and your offense will be limited to how many opportunities you actually get.  You will lose the TOP battle every game

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles are currently sitting with 11 picks for the draft in April — two 1sts, two 2nds, 3rd, 4th, three 5ths, two 6th.  Obviously one of the 2nds is tracking towards another 1st.

Looks like they’ll have 5 of the first 70-75 picks.  Really need to avoid going off the reservation with those first 5 picks; it’d be great to have some combination of DE, S, LB, CB and OL.  It’d be awesome to find more Driscoll, Gainwell and Watkins somewhere later as well.

The next draft is one where the team needs to get better across the board.  Depth across both sides of the ball and investment in positions like LB and S is what is needed. Band aids don't last.   I'm not sure any DC will jive with the mentality of we don't need to invest in those positions.  The NFL has moved on a lot in the past few years and trotting out the likes of Singleton and Wilson just isn't appropriate..

As for QB.  If one is there and doesn't require a big trade to get them, then take them.  The concern many have is we have a GM on the hot seat, taking a lot of picks and trading them for a meh QB to justify their job.  No matter what Roseman and Lurie mooted in the offseason, this team is 2 still offseasons at minimum away from competing meaningfully. 

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Last time I checked Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Wilson, et al. were, in fact, drafted.

 

And yet guys like Brees and Brady go somewhere else and still win a SB? 

 

We have a better chance with Howie calling the shots at trading for a elite QB than drafting and developing one. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is Kyle Hamitlon a FREAK?

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft/hot-take-tuesday-kyle-hamilton-is-the-best-safety-prospect-ever

Yes, I've been all about him since this college season started. If we drafted him, I'd likely go get his jersey before he even plays a game. I want him for this team in the worst way. 

On 10/24/2021 at 7:47 PM, Green_Guinness said:

Wow!  A bobeph sighting in The Blog.

Are there enough White Claws in the World for you while watching this garbage?

 

Nope.  Ran out.  That was so pathetic.  So I just banged my big sister instead.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'd like to see us take some of those 5ths and a 6th to get another pick in the 4th or more.  We should go BPA out of the positions you listed with the top 6 picks.  Without being ridiculously repetitive.  I would be fine with two DE.  I would also be fine with a DT mixed in as well.  

There really isn't a comp in the NFL to him.  Not that tall at safety.  

I think safety is the most important position in the back 7 in today's NFL. Good safety play can cover up for both corners and LBs. Plus, you need your safeties to be able to make plays (INTs, FF's) with the rules so slanted towards offense. Hamilton checks every single box. If we could somehow land him and Thibodeaux, a lot of our defensive issues would improve (still need an actual NFL level LB or three, of course). 

9 hours ago, eagle45 said:

To get away from the QB debate for a second...here's a bit of a hot take, but a valid concern nonetheless, as we focus on QB and defense:

Out of 5 OL positions, we have ZERO sure things for 2022 and beyond.  If the Eagles do not get a high end starting OL out of the 2022 draft, whoever their QB is will get annihilated in 2023 and 2024.  

I don't think this draft has much in the way of top o-line prospects aside from Evan Neal.  Neal is probably a better RT prospect than LT.  I do think the team has 2 pieces in Dickerson and Mailata.  I am not sure aside from Neal there is another OT prospect.  I do think Linderbaum is a good potential pick and replacement for Kelce that could be a later 1st round pick.  

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yes we do. 

We need:

DE- 2

LB- 3

Corner- 1

OG- 1

RB-1

QB-1

Safety-2

 

Yeah, we need starters.  

 

Just because you don’t like a player  , doesn’t mean the actual paid professionals don’t like said player  .

if fans ran the eagles , they would be super bowl champs every year , smh