2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I agree with all that but the things he's failing at is in the first few chapter of football for dummies. Sliding short of the first down, throwing away on 4th down (multiple times), throwing out of bounds on a free play, not falling on a fumble (multiple times). His situational awareness is atrocious. 

QB is supposed to be the smartest player on offense; MLB and FS on defense.

I'm guessing there's not much chance this clash of the titans will be televised in my area -- probably won't be missing much

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Would do that Barnett trade in a heartbeat 

Brandin Cooks for a 2021 third round pick is a steal!

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It does you get the women from California moving here for college and stay. Plus you have women from here that are beautiful. Arizona state and Arizona have absolutely gorgeous women on campus and the pool parties are ridiculous 

First few times I went there I couldn't believe it. It was like a casting department for a movie hired retail workers around ASU.

11 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Better athlete than QB right now  , he has a big arm , better outside the pocket , then inside , probably because he tends to bail early .

Reminds me of Jackson , but with a better arm , same build . I think he is smaller than the 6 ft 1 that he is listed . 
 

he takes unnecessary sacks ,  I think he will need a niche system to excel . You draft him you’re betting on his upside  , because he needs work . I’m not a fan of running QBs  , because I think they cheat themselves on becoming a better QB  , because of their athletic ability and legs .

that said I’m sure some team will hope they’re getting a Jackson or Murray 

 

Thanks. I get the comments about the running QB. What grabbed my attention was a 60+-yard throw on a rope that he just seemed to flick, almost like Mike Vick. Almost no arc and hit the receiver in stride.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Brandin Cooks for a 2021 third round pick is a steal!

He’s really a perfect compliment to Adams too. They wanted to do the fuller trade last year and didn’t. They should do that trade. Cooks is a better player and stays healthy (well recently)

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s really a perfect compliment to Adams too. They wanted to do the fuller trade last year and didn’t. They should do that trade. Cooks is a better player and stays healthy (well recently)

pssst. Look at the year of the draft pick 

So Nick should make changes? With what personnel?

There isn't much you can do with a bad team except gradually work in younger players. I expect Howie to make a couple more moves before the TDL, but it's hard to make major changes in the NFL. You can't find LBs out of thin air, you can't accelerate the rate of development of raw players like Taylor (lot's of starters don't emerge until their 3rd season or so if they're picked out of the top 100). You can promote a couple guys off the PS, but even the waiver wire isn't as good as when PS squads were limited to 8 players you couldn't protect (now the best few on each team are off limits to poaching).

Gannon can play the safeties up, leave his CBs on an island, have the DL play a more aggressive one gap scheme -  the result will be more big plays on both sides of the ball.

2020:  26.1 ppg, 5.5 ypa, 6.6 ny/a, 4.2 ypr

2021:  26.5 ppg, 5.3 ypa, 6.5 ny/a, 4.1 ypr

Gannon needs an offseason to get players more suited to what he really wants to do, I doubt this conservative, vanilla scheme is his vision, but he needs at least one FS, one LB, one DE, to make his scheme work.

On offense, the WRs are young, and they need a big possession WR to balance the group, The OL has been in disarray, if they can settle in that would make a big difference. Dickerson should be at RG and Driscoll at LG, but switching sides in the middle of the season is a tough row to hoe. Brooks should be back by Thanksgiving, so they could finally have a top OL for the last six games. Time for Siri to install the offense he wants to run, and let Hurts sink or swim, the season is lost, prepare for next season now.

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Thanks. I get the comments about the running QB. What grabbed my attention was a 60+-yard throw on a rope that he just seemed to flick, almost like Mike Vick. Almost no arc and hit the receiver in stride.

No doubt he can throw it , that and his athletic ability are what will get him drafted probably earlier than he should be .

he just needs lots of work , any luck he goes to a team that can sit him a year and let him work with a quality QB coach … and not rush him

speaking of big arms , take a look at Eric Berrier , small school QB , who looks like a slightly taller Murray , I take a shot on him round 3 or so .

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

pssst. Look at the year of the draft pick 

Lol. They are working on a time machine in Houston. Prevent O’Brien from making dumb moves and stop watson from getting messages lol 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So Nick should make changes? With what personnel?

There isn't much you can do with a bad team except gradually work in younger players. I expect Howie to make a couple more moves before the TDL, but it's hard to make major changes in the NFL. You can't find LBs out of thin air, you can't accelerate the rate of development of raw players like Taylor (lot's of starters don't emerge until their 3rd season or so if they're picked out of the top 100). You can promote a couple guys off the PS, but even the waiver wire isn't as good as when PS squads were limited to 8 players you couldn't protect (now the best few on each team are off limits to poaching).

 I love it when you post things like this... 

Personnel is bad... Lbs can't be found, Taylor shouldn't be expected to be a player yet because he was taken outside the top 100... But QBs can be found almost any place... 

This roster is putrid because Howie made it putrid.  They have no LBs, because Howie has ignored the position, while he's forced himself into drafting a WR in Round 1 or 2 - 3 times in the last 3 drafts... JJAW, Reagor and Smith.  And for that he has a WR that is turning into an H-back, a return specialist that's nothing special, and a starting WR.  Meanwhile, he did take a LB in Round 3, but since it was pick 103, he gets a pass... meanwhile, there were LBs available in place of Jalen Hurts in Round 2, but we just had to get a backup QB in Round 2.

 

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The good color commentators on national telecasts do a lot of research on the specifics of the two teams going in -- Vilma isn't there yet; he didn't have a pulse on the Eagles team or issues at all.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 I love it when you post things like this... 

Personnel is bad... Lbs can't be found, Taylor shouldn't be expected to be a player yet because he was taken outside the top 100... But QBs can be found almost any place... 

This roster is putrid because Howie made it putrid.  They have no LBs, because Howie has ignored the position, while he's forced himself into drafting a WR in Round 1 or 2 - 3 times in the last 3 drafts... JJAW, Reagor and Smith.  And for that he has a WR that is turning into an H-back, a return specialist that's nothing special, and a starting WR.  Meanwhile, he did take a LB in Round 3, but since it was pick 103, he gets a pass... meanwhile, there were LBs available in place of Jalen Hurts in Round 2, but we just had to get a backup QB in Round 2.

You're actually agreeing with Afan here, pretty much. There's not a lot Nick can do. Of course, Afan continues to give Howie a pass, which he doesn't deserve.

Just now, justrelax said:

You're actually agreeing with Afan here, pretty much. There's not a lot Nick can do. Of course, Afan continues to give Howie a pass, which he doesn't deserve.

Actually, I disagree with Afan.  Regarding the offensive philosophy, there are things that Sirianni can do differently.  I outlined what he did do differently in the first drive and a half prior to the Sanders injury, only to go away from it once Sanders went down.  He could stick to more under center snaps, more straight run calls and not put everything on Hurts.

Defensively, is another argument altogether, but I don't put that on Sirianni, and neither does Sirianni... he's apparently just an OC (his words, not mine), so that's on Gannon.  AND, I've gone on record saying that I don't have an issue with Gannon's scheme given the lack of talent, so he's arguing a completely different thing than I am.  

 

Either way, this team and its lack of talent always falls on Howie, which he will constantly absolve him for.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The good color commentators on national telecasts do a lot of research on the specifics of the two teams going in -- Vilma isn't there yet; he didn't have a pulse on the Eagles team or issues at all.

Vilma is somewhere right now saying to no one "Raiders better not let up. Here they come, Eagles are still in this"

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That's a bit distorted by playing the safeties so deep. CBs are rarely left on an island and opposing QBs just throw underneath.

Just saw the personal foul on Kelce again...  lame call.  The defender ripped his helmet off and wanted to get physical with Kelce, until the tables turned and he was the one that was vulnerable.  Then he was all 'not me'.   Bad job by the referee not seeing the whole play there, especially considering the ball was there, and his eyes should have been locked on that scrum.

So been giving some thought to this "transition" season along with the Sirianni / Hurts argument.  Although right now things look bad, I believe that we should be looking for improvement, rather than a finished product on week 7.

To be clear, I am not a believer in Hurts.  And to my point above, is he any better than he was in 2020?  Or even in October over September of this season?  He still can't see the field, escapes clean pockets, and misses open receivers.  Here is a item from Dave Zangaro regarding his accuracy...

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After completing just 52% of his passes as a rookie, Hurts is up to 61.2% in Year 2, which is very solid improvement. But he still ranks 29th of 34 qualified quarterbacks in the league.....After completing 77.1% of his passes in the season-opening win in Atlanta, Hurts has completed just 58.5% of his passes since and he has been under 60% in four of the last six games, including the last three. In Sunday’s loss, Hurts completed 18 of 34 passes (52.9%).

Now on to Sirianni.  I am still out on the game planning / play calling.  But there are signs that he is improving as a game manager.  Remember how penalties were a sign of poor coaching, well we've averaged less than five per game over the last three weeks.  That is fourth lowest in the league over that time period.  https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game

There was angst after the SF game about red zone.  Well, we are currently 6th in the league in RZ touchdown percentage. 

And there were concerns about inconsistency with aggressiveness.  Well, we are tied for first with BAL, NYJ, and LAC for the most 2-pt conversion attempts (5) and we are the only one of these teams that has converted 100%.

Do I think Sirianni is the guy?  Not yet, but at least he is showing signs that he is growing into his role.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just saw the personal foul on Kelce again...  lame call.  The defender ripped his helmet off and wanted to get physical with Kelce, until the tables turned and he was the one that was vulnerable.  Then he was all 'not me'.   Bad job by the referee not seeing the whole play there, especially considering the ball was there, and his eyes should have been locked on that scrum.

"Can't take your helmet off when you're on the field"

Get it done, Howie.

 

 

1-2 more games with Hurts (if he fails to improve) then put Minshew in and see what Sirianni’s system looks like with a different QB.  If it looks the same (or worse) then the Eagles will likely need to find a new head coach as well.  If it looks substantially better, then we will know most of the fault lies with Hurts, etc. 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So been giving some thought to this "transition" season along with the Sirianni / Hurts argument.  Although right now things look bad, I believe that we should be looking for improvement, rather than a finished product on week 7.

To be clear, I am not a believer in Hurts.  And to my point above, is he any better than he was in 2021?  Or even in October over September of this season?  He still can't see the field, escapes clean pockets, and misses open receivers.  Here is a item from Dave Zangaro regarding his accuracy...

Now on to Sirianni.  I am still out on the game planning / play calling.  But there are signs that he is improving as a game manager.  Remember how penalties were a sign of poor coaching, well we've averaged less than five per game over the last three weeks.  That is fourth lowest in the league over that time period.  https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game

There was angst after the SF game about red zone.  Well, we are currently 6th in the league in RZ touchdown percentage. 

And there were concerns about inconsistency with aggressiveness.  Well, we are tied for first with BAL, NYJ, and LAC for the most 2-pt conversion attempts (5) and we are the only one of these teams that has converted 100%.

Do I think Sirianni is the guy?  Not yet, but at least he is showing signs that he is growing into his role.

I'd say overall, that Sirianni is trending more up than Hurts is.  The first drive and a half were a revelation for me with Sirianni's scheme.  But, it's not likely to be something that Lowie want to see long term.  But, it worked... really really well.  Big plays came out of "13" personnel - Goedert throw and Gainwell angle route for the TD.  But, after that... back to the 11 personnel heavy, RPO heavy, over-reliance on Hurts, and he just hasn't responded well to that.  He says he welcomes it, but everything about his game says otherwise.

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You're actually agreeing with Afan here, pretty much. There's not a lot Nick can do. Of course, Afan continues to give Howie a pass, which he doesn't deserve.

Just looking at the landscape of younger players on the roster right now it's pretty clear where roster building needs to take place the next couple of offseasons:

Offense -- draft capital spent on Smith, Reagor, Hurts, JJAW, Dickerson, Dillard, Sanders.  Mailata has been extended, Driscoll could be a starter

Defense -- Sweat has been extended, Maddox, Milton Williams, ...... Taylor (?) .... cupboard is pretty bare

 

JJAW will be gone after this season, Hurts might be gone.  Sanders might be moved soon.  Defense, however, is the low-hanging fruit to bringing the team back to respectability.

7 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You're actually agreeing with Afan here, pretty much. There's not a lot Nick can do. Of course, Afan continues to give Howie a pass, which he doesn't deserve.

I've said repeatedly that Howie overrated the SB team, and was probably pushed by Lurie to try to return, we lost a lot of draft picks and cap room trying to recapture 2017.

Howie is in his element in a rebuild situation where he can deal from strength, i.e., with nothing to lose he can focus on value.

When I look at draft picks, I don't focus on round but "number," because the quality cutoffs come mid-round, 1-20, then 21--40, then 51-100, then 150+.

Which is why Barnett is the biggest disappointment, Reagor at #22 wouldn't be a big deal except for Jefferson, Hurts at #53 and JJAW at #57 are in the third tranche where misses are as common as hits. Reagor will probably have a solid career as a #2/#3. And it's why a couple years of sucking can pay off, if they pick #6 and #38 this year like last year, they can add two key starters even before the other 1st rd picks are factored in. Reid's teams were built around Tra #11, McNabb #2, Simon #6.