55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Brandin Cooks for a 2021 third round pick is a steal!

Regardless of the year, a 3rd round pick for him is a steal.  No matter the QB, the guy seems to always be good for 1k yards.

I think Siri will stick with Hurts, Minshew is a known quantity (and if he starts 3 games, that 6th becomes a 5th rd pick, though I doubt that would be a decisive factor). By sticking with Hurts at least until the bye, they'll have a better gauge of his potential to improve. He only has 11 starts, it takes up to 32 starts to judge a young QB.

Siri would probably like a stretch of easier games where Hurts is under less pressure to make things happen, and being out of contention also makes it easier to get away from "win now" play calling built around Hurts' running ability. And getting Brooks back by Thanksgiving, and Lane up to 100% and Mailata's knee improved could give a stable OL that can both run block consistently and pass protect. So the last six games may provide a good read on whether Hurts can improve as a pocket QB.

You see this with all the young QBs on bad teams, they end up escaping the pocket because they are behind in games with shaky blocking - and that teaches bad habits.

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Get it done, Howie.

 

 

Trading for Watson would be worse decision than drafting Hurts.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Trading for Watson would be worse decision than drafting Hurts.  

😂😂

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I've said repeatedly that Howie overrated the SB team, and was probably pushed by Lurie to try to return, we lost a lot of draft picks and cap room trying to recapture 2017.

Howie is in his element in a rebuild situation where he can deal from strength, i.e., with nothing to lose he can focus on value.

When I look at draft picks, I don't focus on round but "number," because the quality cutoffs come mid-round, 1-20, then 21--40, then 51-100, then 150+.

Which is why Barnett is the biggest disappointment, Reagor at #22 wouldn't be a big deal except for Jefferson, Hurts at #53 and JJAW at #57 are in the third tranche where misses are as common as hits. Reagor will probably have a solid career as a #2/#3. And it's why a couple years of sucking can pay off, if they pick #6 and #38 this year like last year, they can add two key starters even before the other 1st rd picks are factored in. Reid's teams were built around Tra #11, McNabb #2, Simon #6.

In other words, Howie is only a good GM for a bad team.   

Reagor at #22 is a big deal regardless of Jefferson.  Aiyuk has been better.  Pittman has been better.  Claypool has been better.   Even Van Jefferson has been better in a much more limited role.

Tra wasn't a Reid pick.  It was built on Dawkins, Vincent, Taylor, Douglas and Trotter defensively, all inherited.  

 

Reagor right now is a disappointing #2 or even #3 WR.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

I think Siri will stick with Hurts, Minshew is a known quantity (and if he starts 3 games, that 6th becomes a 5th rd pick, though I doubt that would be a decisive factor). By sticking with Hurts at least until the bye, they'll have a better gauge of his potential to improve. He only has 11 starts, it takes up to 32 starts to judge a young QB.

Siri would probably like a stretch of easier games where Hurts is under less pressure to make things happen, and being out of contention also makes it easier to get away from "win now" play calling built around Hurts' running ability. And getting Brooks back by Thanksgiving, and Lane up to 100% and Mailata's knee improved could give a stable OL that can both run block consistently and pass protect. So the last six games may provide a good read on whether Hurts can improve as a pocket QB.

You see this with all the young QBs on bad teams, they end up escaping the pocket because they are behind in games with shaky blocking - and that teaches bad habits.

Starting Minshew may keep him from further losing the locker room.  Minshew would let other players better realize their talents. 

Siri isn't calling games in a win now mode.  He's calling games like he has no set plan and he has no game sense or plan.  If he was trying to win, he would have focused much harder on pushing a running game that works under center or out of a pistol formation.  He would have incorporated WR and QB designed runs more often.  Instead he's calling an offense that is a mix of weak /poorly designed RPOs grafted over a standard uninspiring West Coast offense.  I hope he can adjust and look to creating an under center running attack.  I am not hopeful. Hurts is escaping perfectly good pockets.  There have been some protection issues but most of the issues appear to be because of Hurts.  

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Get it done, Howie.

 

 

What does "For the most part" mean? Anywhere but Philly?

That said, if he's willing to come here, have to get this done.

3 hours ago, West_Philly said:

I heard some hypothetical scenario on ESPN about Mike Tomlin taking over the UNLV HC position. I highly doubt this, but it made me wonder what if in a couple year Mike has had enough in Pitt, would he be a good fit in Philly?

No

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He only has 11 starts, it takes up to 32 starts to judge a young QB.

Perhaps -- but I don't think a 2nd round draft pick (graded as a 3rd round prospect on most boards) will necessarily get that much time for an executive group who hates being at the bottom.

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You see this with all the young QBs on bad teams, they end up escaping the pocket because they are behind in games with shaky blocking - and that teaches bad habits.

Problem is, these are not bad habits he is learning.  It is who he is, draft profile already told us that is who he is.

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it

 

24 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So been giving some thought to this "transition" season along with the Sirianni / Hurts argument.  Although right now things look bad, I believe that we should be looking for improvement, rather than a finished product on week 7.

To be clear, I am not a believer in Hurts.  And to my point above, is he any better than he was in 2020?  Or even in October over September of this season?  He still can't see the field, escapes clean pockets, and misses open receivers.  Here is a item from Dave Zangaro regarding his accuracy...

Now on to Sirianni.  I am still out on the game planning / play calling.  But there are signs that he is improving as a game manager.  Remember how penalties were a sign of poor coaching, well we've averaged less than five per game over the last three weeks.  That is fourth lowest in the league over that time period.  https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game

There was angst after the SF game about red zone.  Well, we are currently 6th in the league in RZ touchdown percentage. 

And there were concerns about inconsistency with aggressiveness.  Well, we are tied for first with BAL, NYJ, and LAC for the most 2-pt conversion attempts (5) and we are the only one of these teams that has converted 100%.

Do I think Sirianni is the guy?  Not yet, but at least he is showing signs that he is growing into his role.

Receivers are getting open so it’s definitely on Hurts but Nick has had a bunch of bonehead decisions. I’d like to see Minshew but at this point we should stick with Hurts to make it painfully obvious to everyone except those that are putting the blame all on Nick or the Oline

29 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That's a bit distorted by playing the safeties so deep. CBs are rarely left on an island and opposing QBs just throw underneath.

Yes!!  Gannon’s brilliant defense that purposely funnels running and passing plays to the Linebackers, a position this team may never draft higher than a 3rd round pick, and refuses to pay for a premium one.  
 Did Gannon interview with anyone but Nick?  Maybe the FO believed that he would somehow be successful and move on quickly, like after 1 year.    Where’s Billy Davis and his gay version of the 3-4 when you need him? 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Starting Minshew may keep him from further losing the locker room.  Minshew would let other players better realize their talents. 

Siri isn't calling games in a win now mode.  He's calling games like he has no set plan and he has no game sense or plan.  If he was trying to win, he would have focused much harder on pushing a running game that works under center or out of a pistol formation.  He would have incorporated WR and QB designed runs more often.  Instead he's calling an offense that is a mix of weak /poorly designed RPOs grafted over a standard uninspiring West Coast offense.  I hope he can adjust and look to creating an under center running attack.  I am not hopeful. Hurts is escaping perfectly good pockets.  There have been some protection issues but most of the issues appear to be because of Hurts.  

They did that very well, actually in the first drive and a half against the Raiders.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And... so it begins.    Start the countdown to Minshew Mania.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They did that very well, actually in the first drive and a half against the Raiders.

And then.....

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Problem is, these are not bad habits he is learning.  It is who he is, draft profile already told us that is who he is.

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it

After 7 weeks he still doesn’t trust the pocket

Also on that thought I’ve been impressed with what the backups overall have done. We’re still having different combinations again but it’s not the mess that was 2020

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Receivers are getting open so it’s definitely on Hurts but Nick has had a bunch of bonehead decisions. I’d like to see Minshew but at this point we should stick with Hurts to make it painfully obvious to everyone except those that are putting the blame all on Nick or the Oline

I'd rather be able to extract some value from Hurts from a team that thinks that there might be something there.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think Siri will stick with Hurts, Minshew is a known quantity (and if he starts 3 games, that 6th becomes a 5th rd pick, though I doubt that would be a decisive factor). By sticking with Hurts at least until the bye, they'll have a better gauge of his potential to improve. He only has 11 starts, it takes up to 32 starts to judge a young QB.

Siri would probably like a stretch of easier games where Hurts is under less pressure to make things happen, and being out of contention also makes it easier to get away from "win now" play calling built around Hurts' running ability. And getting Brooks back by Thanksgiving, and Lane up to 100% and Mailata's knee improved could give a stable OL that can both run block consistently and pass protect. So the last six games may provide a good read on whether Hurts can improve as a pocket QB.

You see this with all the young QBs on bad teams, they end up escaping the pocket because they are behind in games with shaky blocking - and that teaches bad habits.

So it takes up to 32 starts to know what a young QB is? You just said that right. So you believe that is true. Meanwhile you made a definitive minshew is a known quantity after 20 starts. Just wanted to make sure so minshew is a done product after 20 starts with a horrible jaguars franchise. And hurts after 11 still needs up to 32. Got it 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

And... so it begins.    Start the countdown to Minshew Mania.  

To be honest, I would like them to start Minshew just so we can **** about someone else sucking.  

Has anyone with Gamepass ever figured out what Sanders got flagged for against TB?

We signed Reid sinnet 

superbowlzzzzzz

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'd rather be able to extract some value from Hurts from a team that thinks that there might be something there.

Maybe as a backup to Jackson

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Has anyone with Gamepass ever figured out what Sanders got flagged for against TB?

 I think he pushed a Bucs player after the whistle.  

Just now, NCiggles said:

And then.....

Sanders got hurt.    In the post I made about it, I mentioned this.  Wondered what might have been if he hadn't gotten hurt.  They then turned to Scott... not Gainwell.  . 

 

They also were going with a lot of 12 and 13 personnel (12 with JJAW a few of those times)... and had Hurts under center far more often, and were calling actual 'runs'.