27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Solak suggests Dillard to Carolina for a 6, which would be really underwhelming, and frankly idiotic. 

yup

 

The eagles have pretty much shown their hand with Dillard , they don’t think enough of him to keep him on the field  , I can’t see anything more than a 4th 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

A couple of "things” means safeties and linebackers 

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is Dillard really that promising?   And he’s not suggesting cutting him.  Just trading him.  I would do it for a 4th in a heartbeat.   He won’t be on a rookie deal for long and was a 1st rounder. Who has really busted if we’re being honest.  

I’ve mentioned this in the past couple weeks, if dillard is just competent at LT and the eagles go to pay him on his next contract then you are likely paying him more than what vaitai got from the lions considering the cap is going up and that vaitai contract was done back in the 2020 offseason. I don’t think the eagles are willing to pay him that type of money to just be competent. It would be different if he was great or even good. But since they have stoutland and they believe in stoutland I’m guessing they rather draft a tackle and let stoutland groom him to play right tackle and save the money. I didn’t even mention yet they likely believe mailata is a better LT then dillard. And he is whom they want playing LT and not RT where he’s likely not as good nor where they want to play him for the rest of his career. They did it cause lane was out and had too. That’s different then for the next 7-8 years them ( in their mind on how they view dillard vs. Mailata) wanting to weaken their LT spot just to get dillard whom they think is not as good as mailata at LT on the field. 

59 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Solak suggests Dillard to Carolina for a 6, which would be really underwhelming, and frankly idiotic. 

The Texans acquired Cooks AND a 4th round pick from the Rams for a 2nd round pick.  How does he figure an older Cooks is worth a 2nd and a 4th all by himself?

I’d be disappointed with only a 3rd round pick for Dillard.  A 6th round return would be a Chip Kelly trade.

11 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Yea idk why people expect Miami to start winning a bunch of games because Watson was to be traded there now. He still has to learn a playbook, develop chemistry with offense, is rusty because hasn’t played in almost a year, has the distractions going on, etc. if anything Watson joining that team now probably means Miami will be even worse because they’ll probably have to trade some young players along with the picks 

He’s a Stud, you’re leaving that part out. 

A couple pff trades 

WR J.J. ARCEGA-WHITESIDE & T ANDRE DILLARD, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 

Hypothetical Trade: Andre Dillard → Baltimore Ravens for 2022 sixth-round pick (via MIA), 2023 fourth-round pick

2021 Dead money: $1,754,384
2022 Dead money: $1,754,384
Cap savings: $3,081,867
Contract with acquiring team: Two years, $3,081,867

During the 2019 draft, the Eagles traded up to the No. 22 pick with the Ravens to select tackle Dillard, who was Philadelphia's first pick after selecting Jordan Mailata in the seventh round (No. 233 overall) of the 2018 NFL Draft. 

Flash forward to 2021, and Mailata just signed a four-year, $64 million extension while Dillard is in and out of the lineup. An extended absence for right tackle Lane Johnson has forced Mailata to slide over to right tackle while Dillard steps in on Jalen Hurts’ blindside. Dillard has an impressive 78.0 pass-blocking grade on the largest single-season sample of his pro career, as he's allowed zero sacks on 199 snaps. Dillard is peaking at the perfect time if Philadelphia is indeed looking to sell high.

The Eagles have at least one more season of control on a former first-rounder who's shown flashes when healthy, so they may need to be blown away to make a move like this, but Baltimore could step up to the plate if they think it will keep them atop the AFC.

Ravens free-agent addition Alejandro Villanueva had a dreadful 13.4 pass-blocking grade in Week 1 at right tackle but has steadily bounced back with a 70.7 pass block grade over Weeks 4-6 at left tackle. It’s notable that the Eagles elected to move Mailata over to right tackle so Dillard could stay at left tackle, and Baltimore may be inclined to do the same. Baltimore already has too many tackles who prefer the left side, but with All-Pro Ronnie Stanley’s status going forward a bit cloudy, it could be worth getting Dillard into the fold due to his ability to play both sides.  

 

EDGE DEREK BARNETT & EDGE RYAN KERRIGAN, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Hypothetical Trade: Ryan Kerrigan → Kansas City Chiefs for 2022 seventh-round pick (via NE or MIN)

2021 Dead money: $285,000
2022 Dead money: $1,140,000
Cap savings: $597,222
Contract with acquiring team: One year, $597,222

The Chiefs are looking to beef up their defensive line, sources have informed PFF. They were likely interested in longtime Houston Texans edge rusher Whitney Mercilus, who is now a member of the Green Bay Packersfollowing his release. Kansas City is already allocating the third-most 2021 cap space in the NFL to the defensive line, but Chris Jones‘ injuries and Frank Clark‘s poor performance have contributed to the Chiefs ranking dead last so far this season in run-defense (32.7) and pass-rush grade (59.5). 

Kerrigan is not the consistent backfield presence he was in his heyday, but anything will help at this point. His pass-rush grade is still above 60.0 so far this season, which would make 11 straight seasons for the longtime Football Team quarterback hunter. Kerrigan has 107 career sacks, but zero have come in the playoffs. In a move akin to Terrell Suggs landing with Kansas City in its run to the 2019 Super Bowl, Kerrigan gets one last chance in a rotational role to play late into January.

 

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I would do the Dillard trade.  Not sure why anyone would think Kerrigan has anything left.  Not understanding the JJAW and Barnett mentions in the headers.  But no "hypothetical trade". 

I didn’t get those names mentioned either , they never elaborated .

Matt Pryor and a 7th round pick got a 6th round pick back. No way in the world would Dillard be traded for a 6th. It's brain dead to even go there as a writer.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

It is true , while Hurts has not played well , the OL deserves some blame , and first and foremost , Siri has been a awful play caller , no imagination whatsoever , no identity on either side of the ball .

there is why I think it’s important you see week over week improvement , 7 weeks in , I have seen none .

Eh I'd rather keep Dillard around at least another year, draft another tackle in the mid-rounds this draft coming. It's not like Lane or Mailata have been reliable enough to be counted on for a full 17 games, you're gonna need quality depth. Now, if somebody blows you away with an offer for him, of course you take it. A 4th doesn't meet that threshold, for me. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Did you miss the 4th in 2023?

Still not great value for a LT who has shown he can play - a 4th and 3rd the year after based on playing time, more realistic.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I would love that trade.  But don't see it.  A 5th this year and a 4th next year or a 4th this year is the best I can do.  

The only reason I'd ask for a 3rd on playing time is we know that Dillard can play now, so if he plays all 17 games, the team he goes to are getting a steal for the position that he plays with that pick. It's not an unfair ask as the Eagles are happy to keep him.

25 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

A couple pff trades 

WR J.J. ARCEGA-WHITESIDE & T ANDRE DILLARD, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 

Hypothetical Trade: Andre Dillard → Baltimore Ravens for 2022 sixth-round pick (via MIA), 2023 fourth-round pick

2021 Dead money: $1,754,384
2022 Dead money: $1,754,384
Cap savings: $3,081,867
Contract with acquiring team: Two years, $3,081,867

During the 2019 draft, the Eagles traded up to the No. 22 pick with the Ravens to select tackle Dillard, who was Philadelphia's first pick after selecting Jordan Mailata in the seventh round (No. 233 overall) of the 2018 NFL Draft. 

Flash forward to 2021, and Mailata just signed a four-year, $64 million extension while Dillard is in and out of the lineup. An extended absence for right tackle Lane Johnson has forced Mailata to slide over to right tackle while Dillard steps in on Jalen Hurts’ blindside. Dillard has an impressive 78.0 pass-blocking grade on the largest single-season sample of his pro career, as he's allowed zero sacks on 199 snaps. Dillard is peaking at the perfect time if Philadelphia is indeed looking to sell high.

The Eagles have at least one more season of control on a former first-rounder who's shown flashes when healthy, so they may need to be blown away to make a move like this, but Baltimore could step up to the plate if they think it will keep them atop the AFC.

Ravens free-agent addition Alejandro Villanueva had a dreadful 13.4 pass-blocking grade in Week 1 at right tackle but has steadily bounced back with a 70.7 pass block grade over Weeks 4-6 at left tackle. It’s notable that the Eagles elected to move Mailata over to right tackle so Dillard could stay at left tackle, and Baltimore may be inclined to do the same. Baltimore already has too many tackles who prefer the left side, but with All-Pro Ronnie Stanley’s status going forward a bit cloudy, it could be worth getting Dillard into the fold due to his ability to play both sides.  

 

EDGE DEREK BARNETT & EDGE RYAN KERRIGAN, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

Hypothetical Trade: Ryan Kerrigan → Kansas City Chiefs for 2022 seventh-round pick (via NE or MIN)

2021 Dead money: $285,000
2022 Dead money: $1,140,000
Cap savings: $597,222
Contract with acquiring team: One year, $597,222

The Chiefs are looking to beef up their defensive line, sources have informed PFF. They were likely interested in longtime Houston Texans edge rusher Whitney Mercilus, who is now a member of the Green Bay Packersfollowing his release. Kansas City is already allocating the third-most 2021 cap space in the NFL to the defensive line, but Chris Jones‘ injuries and Frank Clark‘s poor performance have contributed to the Chiefs ranking dead last so far this season in run-defense (32.7) and pass-rush grade (59.5). 

Kerrigan is not the consistent backfield presence he was in his heyday, but anything will help at this point. His pass-rush grade is still above 60.0 so far this season, which would make 11 straight seasons for the longtime Football Team quarterback hunter. Kerrigan has 107 career sacks, but zero have come in the playoffs. In a move akin to Terrell Suggs landing with Kansas City in its run to the 2019 Super Bowl, Kerrigan gets one last chance in a rotational role to play late into January.

 

50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is Dillard really that promising?   And he’s not suggesting cutting him.  Just trading him.  I would do it for a 4th in a heartbeat.   He won’t be on a rookie deal for long and was a 1st rounder. Who has really busted if we’re being honest.  

I think he is. He's held up pretty well honestly. I get the feeling that lane isn't going to be here much longer and the last thing we need is more holes

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

"Training wheels off"?  I'm in the dark to even make a guess as to what Hurts can do that he hasn't been allowed to do.

Throw into the middle of the field?  We already saw in the 4 games in 2020, he can't do that.  His throws to the intermediate middle were late and didn't have the required zip.

Designed runs?  Hurts is running too much already.  

Throw from the pocket as a conventional QB?  Yes, please do.  Hand the ball off on designed RB carries instead of keeping it?  Yes, please do.  

I have no issues with giving Hurts the season to show what he can do -- but I think we've already seen all he can do.  This is it.

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

"really easy schedule"....

Bills, Baltimore, Titans, Patriots, Saints, Panthers are locked for losses(60% of the games left)

Then they have Giants(probably an L) The Jets twice, which if you watched both teams it'll probably be a split.

3-7 at best but probably 2-8. Yea, really easy schedule 

You really think those are locks? Panthers have darnold starting who’s looked atrocious since the first three weeks. To the point Carolina is trying to trade for watson and just lost to crap giants team. 

New England lost to the dolphins with tua starting and nearly lost to the Texans with Davis mills starting. They won by 3 over the Texans. Texans scored 22 points  the most they’ve scored since week 1 and that was when they had tyrod not mills 

saints arent exactly world beaters. They were in a dogfight with geno smith led Seahawks team. If the seattle kicker could make field goals they actually lose that game. Also lost to the giants  

meanwhile the dolphins lost by 3 points to the 5-2 raiders in overtime with brissett. They lost 3 games by 3 or less points. Only games they got smoked were Bucs and bills which isn’t all that unexpected. 

7 minutes ago, greend said:

I think he is. He's held up pretty well honestly. I get the feeling that lane isn't going to be here much longer and the last thing we need is more holes

A future with Dillard at LT and Mailata at RT is more rational than Mailata and Johnson at this point. 

Draft a guy?  We have a guy.  Let's create a hole to fill a hole.

 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Pats, Saints and Panthers are all better than the Dolphins and the Eagles for that matter.  Eagles got lucky to beat Carolina.  Lucky because I was there......and there was a blocked punt.  The Dolphins have mailed it in.  It's only a matter of time before the Eagles mail it in.  If they haven't already.  

That may be true but the Pats are significantly better than the Houston Texans were in a dog fight in nearly lost that game. Ditto with the Saints against the Seahawks led by geno smith. And they lost to the Giants.  the Panthers also lost to the giants.

None of those games are automatic wins for them.  Each one of those teams have lost to bad teams. New England lost to the dolphins. The Saints have played down to the Giants and lost. And probably should’ve lost to Seattle if the kicker makes field goals. the Panthers have been atrocious since week three And just got destroyed by the giants 25-3.

say whatever we want about the dolphins at least are competitive in their losses outside of two games. The Panthers just lost by 22 points to the Giants. The dolphins only lost by to Atlanta by 2 and three to the Jaguars and three to the Raiders. The only teams they got blown out against where the Buccaneers and bills Who might be the two favorites in their conference to make the Super Bowl

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You're 2-5, headed for a 6 win season, no point playing games to win, but to evaluate players. The best chance of winning with Hurts (and Fields and Lawrence and Wilson) is to use his athleticism, but that isn't the best way to evaluate his long term potential or accelerate his development.

So can the RPOs and other plays based on Hurts' running ability and see if he can run an offense as a conventional QB, you can always add those elements back into the game plan next year, but right now you need to find out if you can develop him as a pocket QB. It'll be painful to watch, but either way you'll know what you have.

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I can go into detail of how bad the dolphins are, how there games seem closer then they are (like the eagles) and how theyve given up on there coach but at the end of the day my argument is this. 

The Dolphins are gonna be underdogs in 7...probably 8 of their last 10 games. And yes, I know underdogs doesnt mean a loss, but let's be honest... being an under dog 80% of the time is the complete opposite of "easy schedule" 

I would bet you if they have Deshaun Watson playing in that Carolina Panthers game they might be the favorite. It’s in Miami so they’re gonna get a field goal based off that alone. With how Carolina is playing and darnold and just got blown out by 22 points by the Giants down their 3 best wide receivers and barkley. Let’s not pretend Carolina is good right now they’ve lost four in the row and lost to the Eagles, the Giants and There’s a chance this weekend they lose atlanta. I would bet Atlanta beats Carolina this weekend in Atlanta. Atlanta is playing much better than carolina right now. Heck next 4 games for Carolina heading into that Miami game is at atlanta, New England, at Arizona, Washington. They might be 3-8 or 4-7 going into that game  

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You're 2-5, headed for a 6 win season, no point playing games to win, but to evaluate players. The best chance of winning with Hurts (and Fields and Lawrence and Wilson) is to use his athleticism, but that isn't the best way to evaluate his long term potential or accelerate his development.

So can the RPOs and other plays based on Hurts' running ability and see if he can run an offense as a conventional QB, you can always add those elements back into the game plan next year, but right now you need to find out if you can develop him as a pocket QB. It'll be painful to watch, but either way you'll know what you have.

Hurts will never be a traditional QB. I think that has always been clear. If you take away designed runs with him, there’s really no point in playing him because his play will only get worse, and that will make it much more difficult to determine if Sirianni can actually game plan around his talent and to evaluate the talent around him. 

We’re just chasing our own tail.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You can't go by that.  There are always games in the NFL closer than they should be on paper.  Especially in the early weeks of the schedule.  As the season goes on, water finds it's level.  Regarding the close losses, one can also make the argument that bad teams find a way to lose.  I don't believe Atlanta is as bad as they looked against us.  If we played them this week instead of week 1, would you feel confident in the same outcome?  Patriots are not a bad team with a young QB who is figuring it out and lead by some pretty decent coaching.  The Saints defense is legit and they have a stud RB.  They are a much better team than Miami.  Carolina, I guess you can make a case.  

I never said the Saints nor the patriots werent better. However assuming they’re just going to win those games is not a true statement. Houston was the better team than the patriots for 3/4ths of that game that New England almost lost. So telling me that the Dolphins don’t have a chance against New England with Deshaun Watson at quarterback when New England has shown a propensity to play down to their opponents this year is not a true statement. The dolphins with Deshaun Watson have a much better chance at beating New England then they do with Tua. 

also the saints play down to their opponents. The Giants had no business being in that game and they manage to come out and beat the Saints. Seattle had no business being in that game with geno being god awful and they had one play of offense all night. 

I am not saying they’re going to win those games but you’re going to tell me they are locks to win against Deshaun watson led dolphins team as compared to tua led dolphins? They are not locks whatsoever. There is also the factor that the players might believe more in Watson than they do in tua which has been reported for about a year now that there’s a lot of players in Miami that don’t really believe in tua