31 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I disagree on the last part.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/05/video-shows-henry-ruggs-iii-laughing-while-speeding-year-before-deadly-dui-crash/amp/

I’m asking for more of a deterrent. A switch you can’t reach while in the driver’s seat. Cops check it during regular stops, if it’s turned off then you are hit with a big fine. It’s not gonna be 100% effective and probably wouldn’t have changed this situation. But it could save lives and that’s important. 

There are fixed speed governors (limiters) on cars, but they're set at a ridiculous speed (155 mph on BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac,  -- Chysler 300 SRT8 is a littler faster even).  The Japanese put a 112 mph speed limiter on their domestic vehicles.  This is where the debate of mandates comes in again -- personally I believe it should be mandated to a top speed of 100 mph as there is never any reason to drive above that speed.  

Enthusiasts will always figure out how to disable the limiter anyway, but at least the general public will be cattle-prodded into abiding to the top speed.

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No one NEEDS to go 160 on the highway but the real issue here is drinking and driving.  

HP, torque and power actually help you when driving.  Ever been in a situation where you need to accelerate to get by a truck because they don't see you or you need to hit the perfect merge point?  If you have a car with no balls it puts you and others in danger.  I have a 400+ HP vehicle yet I use cruise control around 75-80 when driving.  I rarely hit 90 as there's no need.  It's nice to know however that if I need to step on it, my car will react.  What's nice is being able to get up to speed as quick as possible.  One of my biggest driving pet peeves is that people think on ramps are meant to stop on until there's a window of no cars.  You should be using the on ramp to get up to speed and merge in to traffic.  The weaker the car, the harder it is to do so.  I drove my dad's CX-5, which has about 185 HP and accelerating to get to speed or around traffic was just horrible.  There was no throttle response.  

Being able to handle a powerful car is another thing.  If people are looking for more regulations (which is the last thing we need)  maybe what they need to look in to is a different class license for higher HP vehicles.  300 HP used to be a measuring point to hit whereas now, 300 HP is a starting point for many vehicles.  If you can't handle the power you shouldn't be driving that car.  You want to get a 700 HP Jeep Trackhawk then you need a Class HP License.  You need to take a driving test on a road course and in wet conditions.  I don't know just throwing ideas out there.

Again, the real issue is don't drink and drive.  

hey. dont knock the CX-5. I have had worse, and I have one of those now and in comparison I love it. Im sure it feels like nothing compared to a 400hp car, but I think its adequate enough to not put you in danger.

They are going to begin offering a 6cyl engine in future models though, and Im very interested in that.

 

While thinking about this issue, I have thought of a potential solution. First, its very cheap to insure one of these performance cars often, as they are not listed on the policy as a daily driver. As such,  you can also get more money off if you have written in to the policy that you arent going to drive it from say, December to March. My dad just did that with his because its not going to be going out in the winter.

Also, the C8 corvette is equipped with performance data recording, as well as GPS. 

I would think a system can be devised where as the car hits a certain speed, say 100mph on a public street, the data is automatically sent to the insurance company. And your policy premium increases. 

Its a deterrent, but not a performance inhibitor. You can still enjoy the acceleration ability, etc.

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

@LeanMeanGM

I think the question is more about whether or not the Eagles will run the ball.  I think it is fairly well established that they can. 

I’ll rephrase, If the eagles can/will run the ball successfully.

In terms of offensive approach, I assume it will come down to how Staley aligns the defense. It’s well-documented that he likes a two-high shell, but he played a ton of cover-1 against Kansas City, which almost no one does. 

I had assumed he would play more single high today and force Hurts to beat them, but with all the injuries at CB, he might think it’s more beneficial to force the Eagles to dink and dunk down the field and wait for a mistake to kill a drive. 

If you had to choose between Scott or Howard to sub into your money league, which one puts up the most points today?

@LeanMeanGM 33 - 30 Eagles

Smith with 120 yds

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

If you had to choose between Scott or Howard to sub into your money league, which one puts up the most points today?

Scott seems like the easy, safer play. If we get down double digits, how much would Howard play?

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We have speed limits set by the government. It’s a fair question why American street cars are made to reach such speeds. 

It’s something I’ve wondered about myself, and not just in knee jerk reaction to situations like this. I haven’t heard a rational explanation for it, but admittedly I’m not a car guy. 

The same reason a truck can go off road and rock climb, etc... There are places (i.e. tracks, dry lake beds, the old airport used on Myth Busters, etc... ) you can take your car as fast as you like and still enjoy driving it on the road as a daily driver (regular speeds)

Some companies have in the past had governors installed on company vehicles preventing their drivers from exceeding certain speeds. Governors have since been replaced by limits programed into modern car computers. It's still very possible to do this and I believe car manufacturers still do this on many vehicles not really designed for race track speed performance. However, just flat out limiting people to whatever the highest speed limit is does not necessarily make cars safer. If you're in a situation where you're passing somebody while it's safe to do so and they accelerate to this "max speed," you may not be able to get back over safely depending on the position of other cars and what the lead driver does. If you have a Corvette, you probably aren't worried about that jerk holding up traffic in his Geo Prism. There are also situations where people are literally trying to outrun a tornado. Then there are medical emergencies where time is a factor. 

In other words, you can't simply say, "Lives will be saved if we limit speeds cars can drive," when the opposite is also true. The posted speed limits are ample government regulation.

Alright. I'm gonna be positive today. Went to the Flyers caps game last night. Had a blast. Flyers are legit. Your turn Birds. Keep my good weekend going. 

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The same reason a truck can go off road and rock climb, etc... There are places (i.e. tracks, dry lake beds, the old airport used on Myth Busters, etc... ) you can take your car as fast as you like and still enjoy driving it on the road as a daily driver (regular speeds)

Some companies have in the past had governors installed on company vehicles preventing their drivers from exceeding certain speeds. Governors have since been replaced by limits programed into modern car computers. It's still very possible to do this and I believe car manufacturers still do this on many vehicles not really designed for race track speed performance. However, just flat out limiting people to whatever the highest speed limit is does not necessarily make cars safer. If you're in a situation where you're passing somebody while it's safe to do so and they accelerate to this "max speed," you may not be able to get back over safely depending on the position of other cars and what the lead driver does. If you have a Corvette, you probably aren't worried about that jerk holding up traffic in his Geo Prism. There are also situations where people are literally trying to outrun a tornado. Then there are medical emergencies where time is a factor. 

In other words, you can't simply say, "Lives will be saved if we limit speeds cars can drive," when the opposite is also true. The posted speed limits are ample government regulation.

I’m for allowing some wiggle room on street cars — the speed limit might be 75 (maybe faster in some areas), but let the car get to triple digits or whatever. Like someone said earlier, Japan set it for 112 mph, but what is the purpose of a car getting to 156? 

54 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We have speed limits set by the government. It’s a fair question why American street cars are made to reach such speeds. 

It’s something I’ve wondered about myself, and not just in knee jerk reaction to situations like this. I haven’t heard a rational explanation for it, but admittedly I’m not a car guy. 

Most are designed to be able to run on a track or the autobahn. Governors are easily disabled and if you really restrict the characteristics it wont perform as intended on the lower end either.

some views cars in a utilitarian light, others view them as fun and exciting.

 

Id say let it get up over 100. If someone is having fun cranking up the acceleration, a quick touch on 100, or 115 or so is ok on an interstate.

If its a city road, should be a lower limit.

If it is at those speeds for a prolonged period, it should be reported electronically to insurance for review, and premium should increase by a lot, as a deterrent. If it continues to happen, maybe they can drop your coverage.

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The same reason a truck can go off road and rock climb, etc... There are places (i.e. tracks, dry lake beds, the old airport used on Myth Busters, etc... ) you can take your car as fast as you like and still enjoy driving it on the road as a daily driver (regular speeds)

Some companies have in the past had governors installed on company vehicles preventing their drivers from exceeding certain speeds. Governors have since been replaced by limits programed into modern car computers. It's still very possible to do this and I believe car manufacturers still do this on many vehicles not really designed for race track speed performance. However, just flat out limiting people to whatever the highest speed limit is does not necessarily make cars safer. If you're in a situation where you're passing somebody while it's safe to do so and they accelerate to this "max speed," you may not be able to get back over safely depending on the position of other cars and what the lead driver does. If you have a Corvette, you probably aren't worried about that jerk holding up traffic in his Geo Prism. There are also situations where people are literally trying to outrun a tornado. Then there are medical emergencies where time is a factor. 

In other words, you can't simply say, "Lives will be saved if we limit speeds cars can drive," when the opposite is also true. The posted speed limits are ample government regulation.

See my post above.  Saying the same thing.  Having HP helps you.  It lets you get out of bad situations.  I drive a lot and you have to be aware of all surroundings, and think ahead when you drive.  You have to be 3 steps ahead of where you are, looking at other cars and assuming those drivers aren't aware of you.  There are way too many drivers out there who think they are the only ones on the road and have no awareness of surroundings.  Some of my biggest driver pet peeves:

- staying in the right lane when passing an on ramp when cars are trying to merge. 

- coming to a stop at an on ramp when there's no reason to.  There's one by me that is easily 3/4 of a mile and people stop instead of using the ramp for it's purpose.

- staying in the left lane with no intent to pass, going to speed limit creating the jam in left lane.

- at a stop light, not pulling up far enough if you're next to a turn lane and the cars that want to turn can't get by you.

- not knowing or not being aware of right turn on red rules.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m for allowing some wiggle room on street cars — the speed limit might be 75 (maybe faster in some areas), but let the car get to triple digits or whatever. Like someone said earlier, Japan set it for 112 mph, but what is the purpose of a car getting to 156? 

Ruggs slowed down to 127 at impact. Even posted speed limit speeds can be just as deadly in the same type of crash. If a Humvee rear ends a Rav 4 at it's max speed of 65 MPH, the outlook isn't good for anybody in that Rav 4. 

I am curious, though, how often have you heard about an accident where someone hit another car at 127MPH?  Most people aren't doing this. Most corvette owners will never reach that speed (on a public road) --- because they are responsible human beings. 

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Ruggs slowed down to 127 at impact. Even posted speed limit speeds can be just as deadly in the same type of crash. If a Humvee rear ends a Rav 4 at it's max speed of 65 MPH, the outlook isn't good for anybody in that Rav 4. 

I am curious, though, how often have you heard about an accident where someone hit another car at 127MPH?  Most people aren't doing this. Most corvette owners will never reach that speed --- because they are responsible human beings. 

I’m purposely not discussing the Ruggs situation because it’s not really my point. I’m simply asking what purpose there is for a car to have the ability to reach those speeds when it’s basically twice the maximum speed of most US interstates. It seems absurd to me.

8 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Ruggs slowed down to 127 at impact. Even posted speed limit speeds can be just as deadly in the same type of crash. If a Humvee rear ends a Rav 4 at it's max speed of 65 MPH, the outlook isn't good for anybody in that Rav 4. 

I am curious, though, how often have you heard about an accident where someone hit another car at 127MPH?  Most people aren't doing this. Most corvette owners will never reach that speed --- because they are responsible human beings. 

My dad has had 2 corvettes and I dont think hes ever gotten it faster than my normal interstate driving speeds in my CX-5

Except during a toys for tots corvette run in NJ where the police actually close the AC Expressway for a short period and let the vettes run wild on there. Even then, I dont think he went over 100. And not for very long. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m purposely not discussing the Ruggs situation because it’s not really my point. I’m simply asking what purpose there is for a car to have the ability to reach those speeds when it’s basically twice the maximum speed of most US interstates. It seems absurd to me.

Why do cars that reach those speeds cost more?

I understand your question. Most of us will never buy a car like that because it isn't practical. Heck, I personally don't know why people buy motorcycles. I prefer comfortable seats, less wind, less noise, not having to put my foot down when I stop, being somewhat protected by a shell I'm buckled to, having 4 wheels on the ground, etc... But some people just enjoy being more exposed, having more visibility and eating bugs. 

I was on 95  tinicum area exit 10 few months back cat decided it wasn’t exiting and cut hard left , had I been in any of my other cars and not my mustang  , we would have had a pile up ,it was a matter of inches , thankfully my mustang is very responsive 

36 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

If you had to choose between Scott or Howard to sub into your money league, which one puts up the most points today?

Scott

32 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Alright. I'm gonna be positive today. Went to the Flyers caps game last night. Had a blast. Flyers are legit. Your turn Birds. Keep my good weekend going. 

F off 

 

Is he projected to be a mid-round pick?

50 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id say let it get up over 100. If someone is having fun cranking up the acceleration, a quick touch on 100, or 115 or so is ok on an interstate.

If its a city road, should be a lower limit.

If it is at those speeds for a prolonged period, it should be reported electronically to insurance for review, and premium should increase by a lot, as a deterrent. If it continues to happen, maybe they can drop your coverage.

That’s a good idea. Way better than mine.

Lol I'm so glad you guys can't make laws

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