I am all in on spending first round picks at WR until we have the most methodically unstoppable WR corps in the NFL.  It's sad and infuriating, but that is the gameplay that the NFL has dictated.  

BUT...the WRs are good enough that we can't fully understand what we have in them until Hurts is replaced.  2 first round picks, a (failed) 2nd round pick, Watkins (Who may be a 6, but is very talented)...and they are likely all stuck in low gear with the current QB situation.  So as much as I want absolute dominance at the position, I see no reason or benefit to upgrading our #2 WR situation at the moment.  

Let's rebuild the OL (make no mistake, it needs to be rebuilt) and get a QB.  Then I want to polish off the WR corps.  In the meantime, let the defense help us get the draft status to do all these things.  It really doesn't take that long to rebuild a defense.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

With a decent general manager, what your looking for( a solid #2) can be found in the mid rounds of the draft

I actually think it’s gonna be a veteran wide receiver. They need a veteran wide receiver in that wide receiving room. They don’t have one right now besides Greg Ward. That’s a position I think either via trade or free agency they’ll get the secondary wide receiver

4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

You feeling OK?

I know people don't want to hear it, but the Eagles could draft a QB in the 3rd or 4th round as a QB prospect who could supplant Hurts.

Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick, Prescott was a 4th round pick, as was Cousins.  It's not impossible to do -- not likely, but not impossible.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Again, theyre not debating about what Rodgers has to say. Theyre not having a conversation about it. They're just bashing him. Using it as a poltical soapbox to push the vaxx agenda. 

I mean even the president, Fauci and the VP says the mandates are wrong. 

They’re talking about it even more because he lied about being immunized, and then went on McAfee’s show spouting more nonsense. 

If he hadn’t lied initially and then used a bullhorn to show how ignorant he is, this would have largely blown by. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually think it’s gonna be a veteran wide receiver. They need a veteran wide receiver in that wide receiving room. They don’t have one right now besides Greg Ward. That’s a position I think either via trade or free agency they’ll get the secondary wide receiver

Free agency is shaping up to be a fantastic WR group. But I'm not sure we have the cap space to make a major splash. I think 8 or so current defensive starters are FA's, so some money is definitely going that way. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'd be ok with that.

I believe Will Fuller is a UFA next year and can be had for a decent number, same with Mike Williams. 

Ideally 6'4'' 220lb Mike Walliams would be a great compliment to 112lb D. Smith 

Will Fuller is one of the biggest wastes of roster and cap space you could have. Constantly injured, and the one year he wasn't he was nailed for being on PEDs. I would hate having him on my team. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Plan would be to roll with Minshew as the starting QB, and find a team to trade for Hurts because they think that they can make something of him.  Minshew starts, Jurkovec is the backup, and you take your lumps with the running game.    Overdrafted Linderbaum... but happy to do it to have someone to take the baton from Kelce, and leave Dickerson at LG.  Triple dipped at the EDGE, but couldn't pass up an OSU DE.  They are just historically productive players in the NFL... not all, but many.

Love getting Ferguson at TE that late.  He's what we hope Stoll or Jackson could become.  Reminds me of a better receiving Brent Celek, that needs to get better as a blocker, but would be a willing worker there.  Celek wasn't a great blocker when he entered the league either.

Love Hutch, Elam and Joseph. Harris is fine, I love Lloyd but he probably will be gone by 40.
 

Offensive line is interesting. I'm thinking two of these three are gone: Kelce, Brooks, Johnson.

Where does Isaac fit in if Linderbaum is a surprise first rounder? I love Linderbaum too but Green is pretty awesome and can be another option as well. He could give us more versatility being able to play guard or tackle at a high level. The size, strength and athletic skills of our line wouldn't miss too much of a beat.
Jordan-Dickerson-Isaac-Green/Brooks-Green/Johnson (the mauling capabilities of either of these lines could be scary good. 

The o-line is one area I don't want to become pedestrian at and with the old guard becoming older, more expensive and suffering injuries, I think they need to add another blue chipper in there. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh they have a ton of issues all over the field. However I think when lurie gets in his mindset on he needs a franchise quarterback that he truly believes in and loves he’s gonna go out and do it. I didn’t think they had enough ammo to get themselves up high enough to get Carson Wentz nor did i think they were just a Qb away. Let’s put things in perspective after they fire chip Kelly all of us on here thought it was going to be a two or three year rebuild to get them back into being a Super Bowl contender. The fact that they made the significant jump in the second year was due to Carson Wentz elevating his play to another level and they had a bunch of luck with FA signings having some career years. but yet somehow howie and lurie manage to do it. So I’m guessing they’re going to do whatever it takes to do that. Is it smart? Probably not but I’d put my money on them doing so if hurts doesn’t make significant progress by the end of the year 

Agreed.  But, if we are going by 2017 as the magic formula.. I'd ask:  who are the pillars on this roster that were in a spot like the 2015/2016 had?

Who are the building blocks on the defense like Cox, Graham, Jenkins, Hicks, and Kendricks?
Who are the building blocks on the offense like Kelce, Peters, Johnson, Ertz, and Celek?

How will they sign a guy like Brandon Brooks, Rodney McLeod or even Nigel Bradham without having salary cap space? 

 

And the final pieces for 2017 were the Chris Longs, Patrick Robinsons, etc. that were one year or minimal risk/minimal term commitment players.   Jeffery, Smith, Robinson, Blount... all 1 year deals.   Long was minimal cost for multiple years.   And the real magic is that nearly every move was perfect.  Howie hit the lottery, but it wasn't a premeditated, long term building strategy.  It was lightning in a bottle and should be viewed that way.  Trying to recreate that magic is what allowed Howie to dig this really really deep hole that we are currently in.

I would be pretty surprised if a bunch of our picks this year aren't used on defense. Like e45, I'm not sure I would do that, but with Gannon's defense needing very different players than what Schwartz preferred, resources are going to be used to build Gannon's defense.

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'd be ok with that.

I believe Will Fuller is a UFA next year and can be had for a decent number, same with Mike Williams. 

Ideally 6'4'' 220lb Mike Walliams would be a great compliment to 112lb D. Smith 

Mike Williams is going to get a nice contract, assuming he finishes the year healthy. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Free agency is shaping up to be a fantastic WR group. But I'm not sure we have the cap space to make a major splash. I think 8 or so current defensive starters are FA's, so some money is definitely going that way. 

Yeah there’s a bunch of nice veteran WRs looking at the market as of what it would be today. Not sure the eagles can afford any of those guys though. But on the market 

Allen robinson (guessing he’s not tagged again)

davante Adams (gonna get tagged) 

Godwin

fuller

crowder 

Mike Williams 

Gallup 

tim Patrick 

Hilton 

juju 

Sutton 

Even Watkins, kirk and Emanuel sanders 

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

Love Hutch, Elam and Joseph. Harris is fine, I love Lloyd but he probably will be gone by 40.
 

Offensive line is interesting. I'm thinking two of these three are gone: Kelce, Brooks, Johnson.

Where does Isaac fit in if Linderbaum is a surprise first rounder? I love Linderbaum too but Green is pretty awesome and can be another option as well. He could give us more versatility being able to play guard or tackle at a high level. The size, strength and athletic skills of our line wouldn't miss too much of a beat.
Jordan-Dickerson-Isaac-Green/Brooks-Green/Johnson (the mauling capabilities of either of these lines could be scary good. 

The o-line is one area I don't want to become pedestrian at and with the old guard becoming older, more expensive and suffering injuries, I think they need to add another blue chipper in there. 

 

Seumalo gets to fight for a starting spot at LG, RG, or C.  If he loses, he's a primary backup at all 3.  If he beats out Brooks... all good there too.  

I'm not as worried about Seumalo moving over to the right side.  He's played everywhere on the OL before... ironically the one spot on the line he hadn't played prior to the NFL was LG.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah there’s a bunch of nice veteran WRs looking at the market as of what it would be today. Not sure the eagles can afford any of those guys though. But on the market 

Allen robinson (guessing he’s not tagged again)

davante Adams (gonna get tagged) 

Godwin

fuller

crowder 

Mike Williams 

Gallup 

tim Patrick 

Hilton 

juju 

Sutton 

Even Watkins, kirk and Emanuel sanders 

No to Fuller, Crowder, Gallup, Hilton, Juju, Watkins, Sanders. The others I like, but unlikely we could afford them. 

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Interesting, in that all of the above teams lost and played poorly -- with the exception of KC who won and played poorly in a gimme game.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  But, if we are going by 2017 as the magic formula.. I'd ask:  who are the pillars on this roster that were in a spot like the 2015/2016 had?

Who are the building blocks on the defense like Cox, Graham, Jenkins, Hicks, and Kendricks?
Who are the building blocks on the offense like Kelce, Peters, Johnson, Ertz, and Celek?

How will they sign a guy like Brandon Brooks, Rodney McLeod or even Nigel Bradham without having salary cap space? 

 

And the final pieces for 2017 were the Chris Longs, Patrick Robinsons, etc. that were one year or minimal risk/minimal term commitment players.   Jeffery, Smith, Robinson, Blount... all 1 year deals.   Long was minimal cost for multiple years.   And the real magic is that nearly every move was perfect.  Howie hit the lottery, but it wasn't a premeditated, long term building strategy.  It was lightning in a bottle and should be viewed that way.  Trying to recreate that magic is what allowed Howie to dig this really really deep hole that we are currently in.

I’m guessing howie and lurie would think the pillars are mailata, hargrave, goedert (guessing he’s tagged at worse), sweat, Dickerson, seumalo, smith, slay (which by the time we get through this rebuild is likely very much declined). I’m guessing if they extend maddox they’ll use him too. Potentially believe in Milton Williams and Taylor being included (not my thinking just how they’d view it) 

I am not saying that it’s right or even smart of them to think that (cause i disagree with them) but I’m guessing that’s how they would justify doing that is saying look we have these players we believe is our nucleus/pillars going forward

I don't like the notion that a physical slug needs to play opposite a light WR.  The Eagles carried that with them for years in the post-AR era.  Separation opposite separation is the real matchup problem.  Just because Reagor sucks, don't let that fool you about the fit.

The best WR corps we saw here...TO and Pinkston, both could separate and stretch the field, Maclin and Jackson.  Look at AR in KC with Hill/Watkins (when he was there)/Hardman.

A slug is a slug.  If you want size and physicality, just lineup your TE's out wide.  It messes with the personnel that the defense has to put on the field.  With the game play in the NFL these days, there is no role for a 6'3" WR who runs like a TE and still blocks like a WR.  Either gets a WR that flat out separates or get a TE that blocks and flat out separates against LBs.

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Multi multi Millionaire spent months researching it. It's his opinion on the matter after what he decided. 

I believe in the Vax, I dont believe in the mandate. 

Again, the President even says you shouldnt have mandates. 

 

I bet he he spent months and months researching it. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah there’s a bunch of nice veteran WRs looking at the market as of what it would be today. Not sure the eagles can afford any of those guys though. But on the market 

Allen robinson (guessing he’s not tagged again)

davante Adams (gonna get tagged) 

Godwin

fuller

crowder 

Mike Williams 

Gallup 

tim Patrick 

Hilton 

juju 

Sutton 

Even Watkins, kirk and Emanuel sanders 

Yup. There's some bargain guys too we may be able to make a play for. Christian Kirk, DJ Chark (probably not a bargain, but not as pricey as the other top guys), Russell Gage, Zach Pascal.

Or just re-sign Greg Ward. You know, our "veteran" WR.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I don't like the notion that a physical slug needs to play opposite a light WR.  The Eagles carried that with them for years in the post-AR era.  Separation opposite separation is the real matchup problem.  Just because Reagor sucks, don't let that fool you about the fit.

The best WR corps we saw here...TO and Pinkston, both could separate and stretch the field, Maclin and Jackson.  Look at AR in KC with Hill/Watkins (when he was there)/Hardman.

A slug is a slug.  If you want size and physicality, just lineup your TE's out wide.  It messes with the personnel that the defense has to put on the field.  With the game play in the NFL these days, there is no role for a 6'3" WR who runs like a TE and still blocks like a WR.  Either gets a WR that flat out separates or get a TE that blocks and flat out separates against LBs.

What's your leaning on Goedert? 

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I would be pretty surprised if a bunch of our picks this year aren't used on defense. Like e45, I'm not sure I would do that, but with Gannon's defense needing very different players than what Schwartz preferred, resources are going to be used to build Gannon's defense.

Roster construction in of itself says this draft will be dominated by defense.

Smith, Reagor, Hurts, Goedert, Sanders, Dickerson, Dillard, JJAW -- a ton of draft resources spent on the offensive side of the ball

Derek Barnett is the only defensive player drafted in the first two rounds since 2012 who is still on the roster -- and Barnett needs to be gone after this season.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. There's some bargain guys too we may be able to make a play for. Christian Kirk, DJ Chark (probably not a bargain, but not as pricey as the other top guys), Russell Gage, Zach Pascal.

Or just re-sign Greg Ward. You know, our "veteran" WR.

I’d take the chance on chark tbh. When healthy he has really good upside and is young. I know injured players and the eagles but with the amount of money we can spend he is more realistic cause of that. I think pascal is likely a guy on their radar due to sirianni. 

I've always liked this guy and don't get why he's either not on a team or if he is it's just 1 year deals. Kinda too old now, unfortunately. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m guessing howie and lurie would think the pillars are mailata, hargrave, goedert (guessing he’s tagged at worse), sweat, Dickerson, seumalo, smith, slay (which by the time we get through this rebuild is likely very much declined). I’m guessing if they extend maddox they’ll use him too. Potentially believe in Milton Williams and Taylor being included (not my thinking just how they’d view it) 

I am not saying that it’s right or even smart of them to think that (cause i disagree with them) but I’m guessing that’s how they would justify doing that is saying look we have these players we believe is our nucleus/pillars going forward

Hargrave only has 2 more years under contract.  If he doesn't keep up his level of play (and he's already falling off), then he's more of a solid interior DL than a building block.  If he does keep it up, then I don't think we could or should afford him in 2 years.  Slay should have been traded before this deadline already.  I don't know how much I'd want to expect from Seumalo moving forward...but we don't have anyone else.  Dickerson has a ton to prove both on the field and with his health.  

Milton Williams has a lot to prove...but I really hope he can be one of those pillars.  

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The Leading(combined) WR for the Eagles over the last 2 years has been 1029(Fulgham and alshon) that same time period Fuller has 1549. 

I'm not gonna die on the Will Fuller hill, but he would be a great #2 here, especially since you can get him cheap 

So you want a Ferrari on a Pinto budget. Guess your walking(aka coming back with Reagor) 

Fuller averages about 10 games a year. What's the point of even signing him, you know he's ending up on IR. It's a waste of resources.