Fans and media are finally starting to question if Kyle Shanahan is a good HC.  

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

My question with mandates/vaccines/kids and such is what is the end goal?  I don't think we'll ever see 100% vaccinated nor will we ever see a time in our lives again when there is no more Covid.  It's here for good.  We have to live with it.

What do we need to see where we can say OK, we don't need to have this separation because of mandates and forcing kids to have them.  I've just never seen a realistic goal.  The only time we were ever really given a timeline was when they said 2 weeks to stop the spread. 

The purpose of vaccines are threefold:

1) protect people from the virus, breakthrough infections are relative rare and hospitalizations and death are reduced by an order of magnitude.

2) reduce the rate at which the virus spreads, not to eradicate it, but to keep it manageable, flare ups, not forest fires, so hospitals aren't overwhelmed

3) reduce the number of infected people, thus the number of petri dishes that will allow new mutations to occur and then spread - the best reason to subsidize vaccination of the third world.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The purpose of vaccines are threefold:

1) protect people from the virus, breakthrough infections are relative rare and hospitalizations and death are reduced by an order of magnitude.

2) reduce the rate at which the virus spreads, not to eradicate it, but to keep it manageable, flare ups, not forest fires, so hospitals aren't overwhelmed

3) reduce the number of infected people, thus the number of petri dishes that will allow new mutations to occur and then spread - the best reason to subsidize vaccination of the third world.

I'm not questioning the purpose of the vaccine.  I'm questioning what's the end goal?  

 

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Any idea how low in age we can go with it?  I would assume the data, even if not the safety, has to taper off at a certain age.

No clue how low they'll go but from the safety/efficacy in the 5-11 year old trial looks spot on with the 12+ data so at least down to 5 for now. Gotta imagine any trials younger than that will take longer to evolve. But we vaccinate for flu down to 6 months so who knows. Less "urgent" for kids before school age at least.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Unfortunately, I've had to deal with a dozen surgeons or so the last couple decades due to a family issue. And I am related to a number of doctors, including a couple on the staff of a top medical school - I've heard my share of horror stories. So I have first and second hand experience - we've dealt with good surgeons, but also some outright liars and others who cut with callous regard to post-surgical treatment and advice. And I've dealt with numerous GPs - some were decent and thoughtful, others arrogant and of the opinion that a M.D. meant their judgement should not be questioned. I am quite capable of reading the medical literature, I have both a science education and a background with statistical studies.

I don't think I'm "underqualfied" as an attorney either, having finished in the top third of a top 15 law school (that was my limit b/c I'm lousy at memorization and regurgitation, still a key to success in Law School, the only intellectually challenging courses were Constitutional Law which I aced). I wasn't a "good lawyer" b/c I'm a lousy rainmaker, which is the primary key to making partner in a Law Firm - but I was good at doing law in my area of expertise. I don't opine on law outside of Regulatory and Administrative Law (what I do) and Constitutional Law (what I love and hope to write on). Otherwise I simply point to a reputable source.

You on the other hand, what exactly do you have to recommend yourself beside an inflated sense of self-importance?

What do I have to recommend myself?  I don't understand the question.

 

48 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's not as simple as conservative coverage vs blitzing and disguising. To assume it's mostly personnel driven, you don't realize the detail that goes into good NFL defense. Specific zone drops, teaching players technique, identifying plays based on trends/formations/etc. 

But everyone is an expert defensive coordinator, fans and media alike. Lazy work.

 

Ain’t that the truth?

I’m not excluding myself either. 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The purpose of vaccines are threefold:

1) protect people from the virus, breakthrough infections are relative rare and hospitalizations and death are reduced by an order of magnitude.

2) reduce the rate at which the virus spreads, not to eradicate it, but to keep it manageable, flare ups, not forest fires, so hospitals aren't overwhelmed

3) reduce the number of infected people, thus the number of petri dishes that will allow new mutations to occur and then spread - the best reason to subsidize vaccination of the third world.

Breakthroughs are not rare and the current vaccine was made to reduce hospitalizations and deaths 

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-vaccine-effectiveness-decline-protection-breakthrough-infection/

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

How would her intoxication assist him in committing the crime? She wasn't driving. She got in the car with him. She did not make him speed or drive drunk. 

She was aware he was drunk driving and let him.

Why didn't she call a cab???

48 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

For the record, I'm as radically pro-vaccine as it gets.  I could understand and potentially sympathize with arguments for forced vaccinations nationwide and absolutely support mandating vaccines to enjoy certain privileges such as travel, restaurants, movies, etc.

"priveleges?"......yikes, comrade

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not questioning the purpose of the vaccine.  I'm questioning what's the end goal?  

For everyone to have 5G???

1 hour ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

There are more out there, but here are some examples. They are small numbers, but it should be out in the open.

Pfizer: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380867 (there are more out there). NZ at least makes it easy to find: https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/safety-report-33.asp

J&J: https://komonews.com/news/local/king-county-woman-dies-from-blood-clots-after-getting-johnson-johnson-vaccine (honestly, the J&J should probably be pulled for other reasons as well)

European countries have concerns about Moderna in under 30yo: https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-denmark-public-health-health-453163d8f93618fde90c06d3474921a0 (I think France was just added to the list as well) 

Read carefully:

"Sadly, this week we have 3 more notifications of death. Any possibility of a causal link is investigated as part of our routine investigations and no new safety concerns with the Comirnaty vaccine were raised by these reports."

If you give millions of vaccines, a few people will die after administrating the vaccine. That doesn't mean the vaccine was necessarily the reason they died. If I injected saline solution odds are one or two of millions will die, just b/c of the law of large numbers. In the case of that NZ woman, other factors were noted.

The biggest problem is with really rare events, it's difficult to determine statistically if those deaths can be linked to the vaccine.

This doesn't mean the vaccines are 100% safe, nothing is 100% safe in this world, including breathing and eating.

But I doubt any medical treatment in history has been as closely monitored in real-time as these vaccines. Partially because of the potential for mischief, partially b/c we now have the technology to do so (amass and analyze large quantities of data quickly), partially because of politics.

The risk from COVID, not just instant mortality, but long-term damage (we know long-haulers is a real syndrome to some extent, how prevalent remains to be seen, but preliminary studies show a sizable segment of the infected population has damage from COVID which may reduce life expectancy).

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/apa.15673

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408363.2020.1860895

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3769978

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2815.long

Cost Benefit

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/abs/10.1377/hlthaff.2021.00619

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1525001621003956

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11596-021-2395-1

https://www.mja.com.au/system/files/issues/215_04/mja251182.pdf

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cea.13880

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/all.14840

https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4418/11/4/579

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1567576921007980

 

 

I wish the NFL showed halftime stuff. My buddy is doing a pass, kick, punt contest for the military tonight. That would be way more interesting than hearing boomer say whoop or he could go all the way for 3 minutes.

11 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Breakthroughs are not rare and the current vaccine was made to reduce hospitalizations and deaths 

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-vaccine-effectiveness-decline-protection-breakthrough-infection/

They are relatively rare compared to the unvaccinated. Which is what I wrote. You're less likely to get infected, and if infected, to get seriously ill. The first reduces the spread of the virus, the second reduces the health impacts of the virus.

No vaccine is 100% efficacious, some more than others.

The  next generation of COVID vaccines should be more effective and may also end the common cold (cross fingers).

Same reason they're working on a flu mRNA vaccine, the current vaccines are too hit and miss and are more likely to lead to allergic reactions.

4 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I wish the NFL showed halftime stuff. My buddy is doing a pass, kick, punt contest for the military tonight. That would be way more interesting than hearing boomer say whoop or he could go all the way for 3 minutes.

8 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

"priveleges?"......yikes, comrade

Fair enough.  I don't like it, just saying I'm willing to entertain the notion of aggressively getting the job done.

1 hour ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Sign Arnette 

Agreed, need an aggressive mindset on defense 

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not questioning the purpose of the vaccine.  I'm questioning what's the end goal?  

Raise the level of vaccination by compelling those on the fence to get a shot or be excluded.  By raising the level of vaccination, you reduce death and lessen the load on the heath care system.  Also, if vaccination rates get high enough in certain communities, herd immunity begins to appear.  Look at the NY metropolitan area.  Even with Delta, because of the high -vaccination rate, the cases never approached the spread seen in the vaccine-resistant parts of the country.

Science and logic support it.  This may just be an issue for partisan purposes and the vitriol may go away when next topic of division arises.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Raise the level of vaccination by compelling those on the fence to get a shot or be excluded.  By raising the level of vaccination, you reduce death and lessen the load on the heath care system.  Also, if vaccination rates get high enough in certain communities, herd immunity begins to appear.  Look at the NY metropolitan area.  Even with Delta, because of the high -vaccination rate, the cases never approached the spread seen in the vaccine-resistant parts of the country.

Science and logic support it.  This may just be an issue for partisan purposes and the vitriol may go away when next topic of division arises.

Right, but I haven't seen those numbers.  What numbers do we need to hit?  I don't know nearly enough based on what Google tells me.  If you look up Covid numbers, clearly they are going down and rightly so.  If they really want those on the fence to get the shot I would think saying look, we need to be at this % in order for things to rather than threatening to fire people.  

There's too big of a divide right now to ever have 100%.  I just don't think there has ever been nor is there now a clear goal.  It feels like we're all just living life, Covid is in the background and whatever we're told we do now.  Some are more willing to say OK while others are going to say never.  

 

Scientists who have an agenda led by fauci

These advanced 1 of 3 crappy QB's to do some crap that doesn't help your team win stats are annoying.  It's why the casual fan thinks players are 'so good'.

JP hurt after 2 plays. 🤣

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Could be worse people on here loved Denzel mims enough to take him at 20. He’s been worse than reagor. 

Or Lattimore (the Indiana Hoosiers version)

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm listening... keep talking.

It's only in an area with 5g pigeons though.