14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Underqualified attorneys who pretend to be medical and scientific experts are a pet peeve of mine, as are those who repeatedly push predictable and tired political issues in social forums where they do not belong.  Your football opinions are the easiest to deal with, but admittedly the icing on the cake.  You're just a royal flush.  

Do you have a reference for saying that surgeons only know how to cut or for implying that docs from 3rd tier medical schools are not to be trusted because they are not up to date on research?  Being a former science major at Penn does not qualify...

Hah - There's no such thing as an underqualified attorney. 

 

14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

For the record, I'm as radically pro-vaccine as it gets.  I could understand and potentially sympathize with arguments for forced vaccinations nationwide and absolutely support mandating vaccines to enjoy certain privileges such as travel, restaurants, movies, etc.

The overall safety of the vaccine is unquestionable.  But acknowledging that there have been plane crashes is not synonymous with saying air travel is unsafe.  The vaccine stimulates an immune response, fever, and stress on the body.  That alone, over the 7.2 billion shots administered, is going to kill people.  A lot of them, actually.  It is several orders of magnitude safer than the alternative, but there are absolutely vaccine-related deaths.

7.2 billion repetitions of anything will kill thousands of people.  Statistically, there need to be at least 5,000 people who died because they drove to get the vaccine.

I mean there are physical injuries from administering shots as well.   I do think the over-emphasis on vaccination in terms of a cure for the disease has limited spending on potential treatments that could also avoid the worst of the disease.  I do think that if 7.2 billion people are able to get the vaccine the harm caused by the vaccine would be outweighed by the benefit.  More people would live and be healthier.  The reality is that vaccination is never going to be universal.  So developing effective treatments is necessary to combat the disease.  

9 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Fire that ref.

I believe that is Tony Corrente.  

https://www.change.org/p/nfl-fire-tony-corrente

We know that vaccinations reduce significantly the odds of hospitalizations when compared to the unvaccinated. The difference in hospitalization rates is roughly 30 fold!

Every moron who refuses to get vaccinated increases the odds that other morons will be hospitalized and costs the rest of us money.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

We know that vaccinations reduce significantly the odds of hospitalizations when compared to the unvaccinated. The difference in hospitalization rates is roughly 30 fold!

Every moron who refuses to get vaccinated increases the odds that other morons will be hospitalized and costs the rest of us money.

This. As well as every moron who refuses to get vaccinated increases the chances the virus mutates and worsens, and also renders initial vaccines less effective. I've said it before, vaccines are insanely important in the development of human health, and increasing our life expectancies to what it is today. They've been around for a long time, and to be fair to most of humanity, it IS a very small population that refuses to get them. It's just that small population has the loudest voice at times, unfortunately, and they've been amplified to deafening levels thanks to social media. 

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

We know that vaccinations reduce significantly the odds of hospitalizations when compared to the unvaccinated. The difference in hospitalization rates is roughly 30 fold!

Every moron who refuses to get vaccinated increases the odds that other morons will be hospitalized and costs the rest of us money.

How does a fully insured "moron" cost the rest of us money if hospitalized? 

Just now, greend said:

How does a fully insured "moron" cost the rest of us money if hospitalized? 

Increased insurance rates. Increased medical bills. In the extreme, a lack of available ICU beds.

1 minute ago, greend said:

How does a fully insured "moron" cost the rest of us money if hospitalized? 

Insurance premiums go up, right? How do bad drivers affect my wallet (and safety)…

13 hours ago, austinfan said:

They are relatively rare compared to the unvaccinated. Which is what I wrote. You're less likely to get infected, and if infected, to get seriously ill. The first reduces the spread of the virus, the second reduces the health impacts of the virus.

No vaccine is 100% efficacious, some more than others.

The  next generation of COVID vaccines should be more effective and may also end the common cold (cross fingers).

Same reason they're working on a flu mRNA vaccine, the current vaccines are too hit and miss and are more likely to lead to allergic reactions.

That's still not a true statement. Protection from symptomatic disease declines over time. The CDC is hiding the data by not collecting it, which is why they had to go to the VA to get data. TheJ&J vaccine is basically useless against symptomatic disease after a few months. I urge everyone to read this latest data from the VA.

  

The decline was greatest for the Janssen  (Johnson & Johnson) vaccine, with protection against infection declining from 86.4% in March to 13%.1 in September

Declines for PfizerBioNTech were from 86.9% to 43.3%

Declines for Moderna were 89.2% to 58%.

https://www.phi.org/press/breakthrough-infection-study-compares-decline-in-vaccine-effectiveness-and-consequences-for-mortality/

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

Increased insurance rates. Increased medical bills. In the extreme, a lack of available ICU beds.

 

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Insurance premiums go up, right? How do bad drivers affect my wallet (and safety)…

Right, makes sense.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

We know that vaccinations reduce significantly the odds of hospitalizations when compared to the unvaccinated. The difference in hospitalization rates is roughly 30 fold!

Every moron who refuses to get vaccinated increases the odds that other morons will be hospitalized and costs the rest of us money.

Maybe I am cynical but I believe the driving force for vaccine mandates is avoidance of liability and cost for businesses.  I am sure many employers will have a surcharge next year on health insurance for unvaccinated employees.  Employers that self-fund health insurance are concerned about the cost of hospitalization.  

Didn’t realize that Ruggs was Smith’s roommate at Alabama.  This week did impact Smith per Wulf’s Athletic report. Also this tidbit.  Smith took some of the blame for Hurts’ miscue throw in the end zone:

"I stumbled a little bit on my route,” he said. "If I wouldn’t have stumbled, I would have been where I was supposed to be.”

3 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

That's still not a true statement. Protection from symptomatic disease declines over time. The CDC is hiding the data by not collecting it, which is why they had to go to the VA to get data. TheJ&J vaccine is basically useless against symptomatic disease after a few months. I urge everyone to read this latest data from the VA.

  

The decline was greatest for the Janssen  (Johnson & Johnson) vaccine, with protection against infection declining from 86.4% in March to 13%.1 in September

Declines for PfizerBioNTech were from 86.9% to 43.3%

Declines for Moderna were 89.2% to 58%.

https://www.phi.org/press/breakthrough-infection-study-compares-decline-in-vaccine-effectiveness-and-consequences-for-mortality/

I have a good friend who works for a large biopharmaceutical company.  They weren't working on vaccines as much as the pre-vaccination products such as Remdesivir, etc.  He told me months before the vaccines were made available for distribution to get used to the idea of booster shots every six months; that the virus would mutate and become an endemic -- re-emerge seasonally (hopefully not as deadly as time progresses).

I became fully vaccinated in June and I'm just about to start pushing for a booster shot.  The notion that these vaccines were a magic bullet to end COVID was always a bit naive.

 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Maybe I am cynical but I believe the driving force for vaccine mandates is avoidance of liability and cost for businesses.  I am sure many employers will have a surcharge next year on health insurance for unvaccinated employees.  Employers that self-fund health insurance are concerned about the cost of hospitalization.  

This likely does not apply to the governmental work force as government is exempt from liability. (I'm not a lawyer, but this is my imperfect understanding.) 

I always thought economics would drive the reluctant to get vaccinated. Imagine if your were personally responsible for the medical bills if you are unvaccinated.

54 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

What a load of crap.

You’re a libtard

49 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think think you had to cross your fingers that the Bears would suck. They had signed Dalton to be their starter. Said it on draft night that Gettleman absolutely fleeced the Bears. 

Well 2 things can be true. The Giants got a great deal, no doubt. But top 10 picks are gold and there are no guarantees when you trade down (I don't have any data on this, but I'd be curious to examine how successful trade downs have been vs. alternatives; anecdotally, seems like trade downs out of the top 12 don't often work out.).

Would be an interesting poll: Would you rather have Devonta Smith or Kwity Paye and a top-15 pick the following year?

19 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

We know that vaccinations reduce significantly the odds of hospitalizations when compared to the unvaccinated. The difference in hospitalization rates is roughly 30 fold!

Every moron who refuses to get vaccinated increases the odds that other morons will be hospitalized and costs the rest of us money.

In Singapore, they have decided the morons can pay for their own medical treatment. 

2 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

You’re a libtard

15 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Which shot gives the best 5G reception?

Definitely not Pfizer.  I've been having issues getting any reception, let alone 5G (at times) with my new cell phone provider.  

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

You’re still a libtard, I can’t help you, I feel bad for you stupid

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Well 2 things can be true. The Giants got a great deal, no doubt. But top 10 picks are gold and there are no guarantees when you trade down (I don't have any data on this, but I'd be curious to examine how successful trade downs have been vs. alternatives; anecdotally, seems like trade downs don't often work out.).

Would be an interesting poll: Would you rather have Devonta Smith or Kwity Paye and a top-15 pick the following year?

I’d take Paye (or some other player I liked at 20) and the top 15 pick, plus the extra fourth rounder the Bears gave up. 

OK, one more on the Ignore List.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I have a good friend who works for a large biopharmaceutical company.  They weren't working on vaccines as much as the pre-vaccination products such as Remdesivir, etc.  He told me months before the vaccines were made available for distribution to get used to the idea of booster shots every six months; that the virus would mutate and become an endemic -- re-emerge seasonally (hopefully not as deadly as time progresses).

I became fully vaccinated in June and I'm just about to start pushing for a booster shot.  The notion that these vaccines were a magic bullet to end COVID was always a bit naive.

 

They are having a hard time de-coupling politician/media lies from the science and now people are acting crazy. I see many scientists saying we will all catch it, and probably multiple times. The vaccines are still working to prevent hospitalizations and death. The latest data on monoclonal antibodies and antivirals is encouraging. 

This whole will probably end up being like the other coronaviruses already in circulation. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

This guy?

https://www.facebook.com/100000477097713/videos/1511773399222404/

No, this guy:

40 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I would love someone random putting a claim in for OBJ, just to see him go to a bad team and his family throw a fit about it. Seems deserving of the man

I'm with you on this, was thinking the same thing last night.  The only plus side to it, is he get's his 2021 salary if I'm correct.  If he goes the FA route, I can't see anyone giving him a deal more than the rest of this season. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

LOL? 

This is why are country is where it is today. Your boy Fauci lies, flip flops, called people conspiracy theorists and then less than a year later he was proven wrong and the tin foil crazies were right. 

Instead of having the conversation, how the government has lied and hidden things you run away. 

I did not put YOU on ignore - which, of course, is a testament to my toleration.