8 minutes ago, SB52 said:

CBS Sports said the Steelers were "unwilling” to trade a 3rd round pick for Fletcher Cox. That can’t be right.

 

Cox has hit the rapid decline part of his career.   

The Steelers should have traded that 3 for Hurts or Minshew so they could upgrade at QB. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Was this mentioned earlier?

He should move Gannon out of the stadium 

17 minutes ago, SB52 said:

CBS Sports said the Steelers were "unwilling” to trade a 3rd round pick for Fletcher Cox. That can’t be right.

I believe it.  That would have been Howie's asking price, and some teams figure other GMs are simply going to fire-sale guys at the trade deadline to free up cap space.  

They should have paid it -- they're in serious danger of missing the playoffs, even with 7 teams qualifying.

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Darn

I wanted Reynolds too, but this was 100% the right call for Detroit.

I don't think this is a political issue but did anyone watch the Kyle Rittenhouse trial today?  I'm not a gun owner, nor have I ever even touched a gun so I'm not a gun activist by any means.  However, I truly think Rittenhouse had just good intentions when he went out that night.  He viewed himself as a protector and a helper.  Granted he was 17 and he is a kid but some of the questioning today was just downright silly.

I get that it's the prosecutors job to grill the defendant but he kept asking Rittenhouse, why would you want to put out small fires and help people in need.  The kid was just like, I wanted to help my community.  

It was very interesting to watch, I got sucked in.  I think Rittenhouse acted in defense as a scared kid.  Prosecutor was trying to say he had intent to kill from the beginning. 

Very interesting case to watch.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

However, I truly think Rittenhouse had just good intentions when he went out that night.  He viewed himself as a protector and a helper. 

Is he employed as a police officer?  If no, guilty and jail.

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't think this is a political issue but did anyone watch the Kyle Rittenhouse trial today?  I'm not a gun owner, nor have I ever even touched a gun so I'm not a gun activist by any means.  However, I truly think Rittenhouse had just good intentions when he went out that night.  He viewed himself as a protector and a helper.  Granted he was 17 and he is a kid but some of the questioning today was just downright silly.

I get that it's the prosecutors job to grill the defendant but he kept asking Rittenhouse, why would you want to put out small fires and help people in need.  The kid was just like, I wanted to help my community.  

It was very interesting to watch, I got sucked in.  I think Rittenhouse acted in defense as a scared kid.  Prosecutor was trying to say he had intent to kill from the beginning. 

Very interesting case to watch.

If you have to write that then it is in today’s world. Take it to CVON

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Is he employed as a police officer?  If no, guilty and jail.

I don't know enough about armed militia rules and such to argue that.  From everything that's happened over the last 2 years, it seems to be common at many of these riots/demonstrations/protests to have armed civilians offering their help in some way or another. 

 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

If you have to write that then it is in today’s world. Take it to CVON

Just putting it out there because my intent was a conversation based on human interest but can see how it could be a CVON topic.  I don't want to venture to CVON and deal with that beast but figured some discussion with guys on here who's differing points of views I respect and enjoy hearing would be good.

Losing Mac McCain and not signing Josh Reynolds was about it for today's football talk.  

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Shows why polls are pretty worthless. Eagles don’t have the record some teams have of stabbings, shootings in the parking lot.  That said, it explains a lot why cowpad fans quiver when I drive around Texas with PA plates, my Eagles sticker and license plate holder and my UH sticker. Stupid Dallas "fans” see a guy with a Texas background and an Eagles fan and pretty much figure this old man is probably armed and dangerous. 

Aren't you? 🤣

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't think this is a political issue but did anyone watch the Kyle Rittenhouse trial today?  I'm not a gun owner, nor have I ever even touched a gun so I'm not a gun activist by any means.  However, I truly think Rittenhouse had just good intentions when he went out that night.  He viewed himself as a protector and a helper.  Granted he was 17 and he is a kid but some of the questioning today was just downright silly.

I get that it's the prosecutors job to grill the defendant but he kept asking Rittenhouse, why would you want to put out small fires and help people in need.  The kid was just like, I wanted to help my community.  

It was very interesting to watch, I got sucked in.  I think Rittenhouse acted in defense as a scared kid.  Prosecutor was trying to say he had intent to kill from the beginning. 

Very interesting case to watch.

All I'm going to say is they were pretty dumb to put him on the stand 

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't think this is a political issue but did anyone watch the Kyle Rittenhouse trial today?  I'm not a gun owner, nor have I ever even touched a gun so I'm not a gun activist by any means.  However, I truly think Rittenhouse had just good intentions when he went out that night.  He viewed himself as a protector and a helper.  Granted he was 17 and he is a kid but some of the questioning today was just downright silly.

I get that it's the prosecutors job to grill the defendant but he kept asking Rittenhouse, why would you want to put out small fires and help people in need.  The kid was just like, I wanted to help my community.  

It was very interesting to watch, I got sucked in.  I think Rittenhouse acted in defense as a scared kid.  Prosecutor was trying to say he had intent to kill from the beginning. 

Very interesting case to watch.

It's still negligent homicide at the very least, going into a volatile situation with a gun and playing at being vigilante would qualify as "depraved indifference to human life," similar to drunk driving in that a bad ending is foreseeable.

He wasn't a business owner protecting his property, he was a self-appointed vigilante from out of town who wanted some excitement, and helped provoke an incident.

What's amazing is with all the armed fools running around, more people didn't get shot. And Rittenhouse wasn't the only fool, there were stupid people on both sides, but there's a reason we have police, amateurs please stay home.

 

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Is he employed as a police officer?  If no, guilty and jail.

Ehhh wrong. Thats not how the law works. Nice try though. 

 

Out of all the 4 poeple involved he was the only one who went there with good intentions. He is a better person than I am, cause I would not willingly put myself in harms way to help people like he did. 

 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All I'm going to say is they were pretty dumb to put him on the stand 

I thought he came off as pretty composed.  They sure didn't have to put him on the stand.  Don't think he hurt the defense in the end of it.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

It's still negligent homicide at the very least, going into a volatile situation with a gun and playing at being vigilante would qualify as "depraved indifference to human life," similar to drunk driving in that a bad ending is foreseeable.

He wasn't a business owner protecting his property, he was a self-appointed vigilante from out of town who wanted some excitement, and helped provoke an incident.

What's amazing is with all the armed fools running around, more people didn't get shot. And Rittenhouse wasn't the only fool, there were stupid people on both sides, but there's a reason we have police, amateurs please stay home.

 

Just tell me you didn't watch the whole trial. The bolded narrative is what the media was pushing, and that was totally blown up in testimony. 

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Ehhh wrong. Thats not how the law works. Nice try though. 

 

Out of all the 4 poeple involved he was the only one who went there with good intentions. He is a better person than I am, cause I would not willingly put myself in harms way to help people like he did. 

 

One was an actual trained EMT with a paramedic hat and actually helping people that were injured. 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

It's still negligent homicide at the very least, going into a volatile situation with a gun and playing at being vigilante would qualify as "depraved indifference to human life," similar to drunk driving in that a bad ending is foreseeable.

He wasn't a business owner protecting his property, he was a self-appointed vigilante from out of town who wanted some excitement, and helped provoke an incident.

What's amazing is with all the armed fools running around, more people didn't get shot. And Rittenhouse wasn't the only fool, there were stupid people on both sides, but there's a reason we have police, amateurs please stay home.

 

Eh.  I watched the majority of it.  His dad lives in Kenosha and worked in the community so he has ties to the area.  He wasn't just some random guy coming to a random town to wave a gun around.  He was there cleaning graffiti off the school earlier in the day.  He was part of an EMT training course with his local fire station as well as a lifeguard.  

I have a few EMT friends and their minds work different....almost like Fire Police.  If they can insert themselves in a situation to what in their minds is "doing good" they will do it.  Could be something as simple as directing traffic.  They want to help.  I think this is the mindset that he had.  He wanted to go use his "EMT" skills he had learned and apply them to help the local community.  I think he was sincere in that.  

He wasn't just running around like a fool and that's clear from his testimony, the videos and eye witnesses.  The only running around he did was when he was being chased by the first guy and then hell broke loose afterwards.    

 

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Just tell me you didn't watch the whole trial. The bolded narrative is what the media was pushing, and that was totally blown up in testimony. 

It's really interesting having watched the majority of the trial how the narrative is still being pushed.  The guy who pulled his gun and admitted that Rittenhouse didn't shoot him until said gun was pulled is still being propped up despite the fact that he admitted Rittenhouse acted in defense.  

 

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I thought he came off as pretty composed.  They sure didn't have to put him on the stand.  Don't think he hurt the defense in the end of it.

Disagree. The state or its witnesses didn't really do anything to prove it was not self defense. Once he got up there he did that sobbing act which looked extremely fake. The prosecutor was able to chip away at his story and got him to admit to different lies. And then he admitted when on the stand that when one guy accused him of being in a car and pointing his rifle at him, he said "Yea, I did" although said he did it sarcastically to diffuse the situation, with the kicker is that none of the evidence proves he said it. They also made him look extremely incompetent with some of his answers about the gun like "he had no idea the range of the weapon or its fire power" and when asked about the ammunition he said to him "a bullet is a bullet" and makes no difference. 

Before this gets into a full blown debate, I'm not saying any of this proves he's guilty. But there were absolutely thing's in there that could potentially sway a jury given how unpredictable they can be. 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Eh.  I watched the majority of it.  His dad lives in Kenosha and worked in the community so he has ties to the area.  He wasn't just some random guy coming to a random town to wave a gun around.  He was there cleaning graffiti off the school earlier in the day.  He was part of an EMT training course with his local fire station as well as a lifeguard.  

I have a few EMT friends and their minds work different....almost like Fire Police.  If they can insert themselves in a situation to what in their minds is "doing good" they will do it.  Could be something as simple as directing traffic.  They want to help.  I think this is the mindset that he had.  He wanted to go use his "EMT" skills he had learned and apply them to help the local community.  I think he was sincere in that.  

He wasn't just running around like a fool and that's clear from his testimony, the videos and eye witnesses.  The only running around he did was when he was being chased by the first guy and then hell broke loose afterwards.    

 

EMTs have weapon training to help in their communities? 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Disagree. The state or its witnesses didn't really do anything to prove it was not self defense. Once he got up there he did that sobbing act which looked extremely fake. The prosecutor was able to chip away at his story and got him to admit to different lies. And then he admitted when on the stand that when one guy accused him of being in a car and pointing his rifle at him, he said "Yea, I did" although said he did it sarcastically to diffuse the situation, with the kicker is that not of the evidence proves he said it. They also made him look extremely incompetent with some of his answers about the gun like "he had no idea the range of the weapon or its fire power" and when asked about the ammunition he said to him "a bullet is a bullet" and makes no difference. 

Before this gets into a full blown debate, I'm not saying any of this proves he's guilty. But there were absolutely thing's in there that could potentially sway a jury given how unpredictable they can be. 

Don't disagree with you at all in the points you make.  It was interesting to watch for sure.

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

EMTs have weapon training to help in their communities? 

Come on you're putting words in my mouth.  He had 2 medical bags and was clearly going around asking if people needed medical help.  He was NOT and EMT but in his mind from what I gathered, he was doing the right thing in offering services that he was trained on.

 

I never said Hurts isn't doing good b/c he doesn't have great skill players, just anticipating the excuse for Watson that he wasn't on a good team, uh, neither are the Eagles.

I've never absolved Howie, I've said repeatedly they waited a year too long to rebuild and should have started to dump players after 2019. But it's hard to claim they shouldn't have tried for a repeat in 2018 and probably 2019, I mean how many shots do you get?

The point with Hurts is it doesn't matter how he generates points, as long as he consistently generates points - and 23.8 ppg against PO teams is a pretty good start.

We have 8 games left, and Sirianni has a better understanding of how to use Hurts, he's actually not a college QB, he's a traditional NFL caretaker QB right now, the guy who can win with help, but you don't ask too much of him (which is Minshew, with less talent). Hurts didn't look comfortable running the option and RPO, but the last couple weeks he looks fine handing off, including designed QB runs, and running play action. And with the OL jelling, Sirianni can now run the ball - go back a month ago and one thing you'll see is running success depended on taking defenses by surprise, now they can dictate to defenses. Dickerson missed camp and moved from C to LG, Driscoll from OT to RG, Mailata was injured, Lane was out for half the season, and the line struggled for a while - now they're looking like an elite run blocking group. As they improve their pass blocking, I expect Sirianni to gradually up the passing game.

Hurts' ability to run and to scramble has a lot of value, for one thing, he doesn't seem to be in danger, how many times has he actually been hit running the ball? He's built for contact (compact, strong frame) and has a runner's instinct to avoid tacklers. So you can include QB runs as part of your running game, which makes it harder to defend.

A good defense won't hold teams to 10 points anymore, but it should be able to hold teams to 20 points (8 teams this year, 3 last year, 10 teams in 2019), and stop good QBs on a regular basis. We're probably two years from building that defense. But when you have a good defense, having a top running game and a QB with a knack for making 1st downs is really all you need, if you can score 24-25 points a game against the good teams on your schedule, you're gonna win a lot of games (especially when you can grind out long drives and keep the ball away from those pesky "elite" QBs).

Now whether Hurts is that guy remains to be seen, but he should be judged in that context, not whether he throws for 300+ yards every week. In this offense, his job is to make plays with both his arm and legs, score points, and not turn the ball over.