3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Come on you're putting words in my mouth.  He had 2 medical bags and was clearly going around asking if people needed medical help.  He was NOT and EMT but in his mind from what I gathered, he was doing the right thing in offering services that he was trained on.

Just saying, it doesn’t really matter what he went there for. That has no merit on the actual case. He didn’t need to be there with a gun. He made a terrible decision that night to carry. 

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I never said Hurts isn't doing good b/c he doesn't have great skill players, just anticipating the excuse for Watson that he wasn't on a good team, uh, neither are the Eagles.

I've never absolved Howie, I've said repeatedly they waited a year too long to rebuild and should have started to dump players after 2019. But it's hard to claim they shouldn't have tried for a repeat in 2018 and probably 2019, I mean how many shots do you get?

The point with Hurts is it doesn't matter how he generates points, as long as he consistently generates points - and 23.8 ppg against PO teams is a pretty good start.

We have 8 games left, and Sirianni has a better understanding of how to use Hurts, he's actually not a college QB, he's a traditional NFL caretaker QB right now, the guy who can win with help, but you don't ask too much of him (which is Minshew, with less talent). Hurts didn't look comfortable running the option and RPO, but the last couple weeks he looks fine handing off, including designed QB runs, and running play action. And with the OL jelling, Sirianni can now run the ball - go back a month ago and one thing you'll see is running success depended on taking defenses by surprise, now they can dictate to defenses. Dickerson missed camp and moved from C to LG, Driscoll from OT to RG, Mailata was injured, and the line struggled for a while - now they're looking like an elite run blocking group. As they improve their pass blocking, I expect Sirianni to gradually up the passing game.

Hurts' ability to run and to scramble has a lot of value, for one thing, he doesn't seem to be in danger, how many times has he actually been hit running the ball? He's built for contact (compact, strong frame) and has a runner's instinct to avoid tacklers. So you can include QB runs as part of your running game, which makes it harder to defend.

A good defense won't hold teams to 10 points anymore, but it should be able to hold teams to 20 points (8 teams this year, 3 last year, 10 teams in 2019), and stop good QBs on a regular basis. We're probably two years from building that defense. But when you have a good defense, having a top running game and a QB with a knack for making 1st downs is really all you need, if you can score 24-25 points a game against the good teams on your schedule, you're gonna win a lot of games (especially when you can grind out long drives and keep the ball away from those pesky "elite" QBs).

Now whether Hurts is that guy remains to be seen, but he should be judged in that context, not whether he throws for 300+ yards every week. In this offense, his job is to make plays with both his arm and legs, score points, and not turn the ball over.

How many Fing times do i have to explain this:

— take away a defensive td in the Dallas game. 

— take away a meaningless touchdown when down 41-14 with 5 mins left in the Dallas game 

— take away a meaningless touchdown with 11 seconds left in the chiefs game down 42-23

– take away a touchdown down 30-7 with 10 mins left in the 4th to the raiders 

— take away a touchdown against the raiders when down 33-14 with 5 mins left. 

So now that 23.8 ppg against playoff teams becomes 16.8 ppg. THAT IS NOT FING GOOD. I didn’t even add he Bucs game where they were awful for 3/4 of the game until they got down 28-7 and the Bucs clearly took their foot off the gas. Somehow you keep justifying they are doing well but that’s not true. garbage time stats padding are inflating their numbers 

If you cannot understand all that then you are either just too stupid (which i very highly doubt you are) or just purposely ignoring it 

 

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I never said Hurts isn't doing good b/c he doesn't have great skill players, 

 

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Is Hurts the answer? We'll see. If the team ends up in the top 10 in PPG, it's hard to argue against him, especially since he lacks great skill players or a defense that forces turnovers or gets the ball back to him.

I'd rather win ugly than lose pretty.

 

Just now, Swoop said:

 

 

This gif used earlier today is spot on 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This gif used earlier today is spot on 

He won't address it either, aside from calling me a "gotcha" poster.

38 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I never said Hurts isn't doing good b/c he doesn't have great skill players, just anticipating the excuse for Watson that he wasn't on a good team, uh, neither are the Eagles.

I've never absolved Howie, I've said repeatedly they waited a year too long to rebuild and should have started to dump players after 2019. But it's hard to claim they shouldn't have tried for a repeat in 2018 and probably 2019, I mean how many shots do you get?

The point with Hurts is it doesn't matter how he generates points, as long as he consistently generates points - and 23.8 ppg against PO teams is a pretty good start.

We have 8 games left, and Sirianni has a better understanding of how to use Hurts, he's actually not a college QB, he's a traditional NFL caretaker QB right now, the guy who can win with help, but you don't ask too much of him (which is Minshew, with less talent). Hurts didn't look comfortable running the option and RPO, but the last couple weeks he looks fine handing off, including designed QB runs, and running play action. And with the OL jelling, Sirianni can now run the ball - go back a month ago and one thing you'll see is running success depended on taking defenses by surprise, now they can dictate to defenses. Dickerson missed camp and moved from C to LG, Driscoll from OT to RG, Mailata was injured, Lane was out for half the season, and the line struggled for a while - now they're looking like an elite run blocking group. As they improve their pass blocking, I expect Sirianni to gradually up the passing game.

Hurts' ability to run and to scramble has a lot of value, for one thing, he doesn't seem to be in danger, how many times has he actually been hit running the ball? He's built for contact (compact, strong frame) and has a runner's instinct to avoid tacklers. So you can include QB runs as part of your running game, which makes it harder to defend.

A good defense won't hold teams to 10 points anymore, but it should be able to hold teams to 20 points (8 teams this year, 3 last year, 10 teams in 2019), and stop good QBs on a regular basis. We're probably two years from building that defense. But when you have a good defense, having a top running game and a QB with a knack for making 1st downs is really all you need, if you can score 24-25 points a game against the good teams on your schedule, you're gonna win a lot of games (especially when you can grind out long drives and keep the ball away from those pesky "elite" QBs).

Now whether Hurts is that guy remains to be seen, but he should be judged in that context, not whether he throws for 300+ yards every week. In this offense, his job is to make plays with both his arm and legs, score points, and not turn the ball over.

So... a backup QB?

On 11/10/2021 at 5:28 PM, Swoop said:

He won't address it either, aside from calling me a "gotcha" poster.

I love all the excuses he comes up with for a bad roster because they have injuries. No crap they have injuries most of your guys getting hurt have been proven to be injury prone or older so are more likely to get hurt. For instance lane Johnson has been perpetually injured for 3 years now. Ditto for brooks. Heck maddox is hurt again, is anyone Fing surprised? Nope! 

JJAW is back this week.  Expect 5-6 WR screens.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

JJAW is back this week.  Expect 5-6 WR screens.

The season turns around now cause of jjaw’s presence. Their confidence shoots through the roof. 
 

JJAW to the mooooon!

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The season turns around now cause of jjaw’s presence. Their confidence shoots through the roof. 
 

JJAW to the mooooon!

Now Reagor can lose 3 yards instead of 6.  Progress.

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Now Reagor can lose 3 yards instead of 6.  Progress.

By year’s end he’ll be in positive yards receiving consistently game to game. Maybe he’ll consistently hit double figures in receiving yards. 

I don't know if I've ever been more wrong about an Eagles topic than I was with Jalen Reagor. 2017 Agholor is his upside and even that feels out of reach.

...At least he can catch punts now...

I still have 100% faith in Reagor. We need a new QB

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

I still have 100% faith in Reagor. We need a new QB

Strangely, I do too.  I give him a hard time because he's putting up trash numbers but part of me has this hope that the freak athlete is going to explode one of these days.  I was convinced he was the second coming of Carolina/Baltimore Steve Smith but we aren't even getting former Giant, terrible Eagle Steve Smith.

I would trade Jalen Reagor for this kid.

 

19 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I still have 100% faith in Reagor. We need a new QB

Hurts is a better QB than Reagor is a WR, and that's a low freakin' bar.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

How many Fing times do i have to explain this:

— take away a defensive td in the Dallas game. 

— take away a meaningless touchdown when down 41-14 with 5 mins left in the Dallas game 

— take away a meaningless touchdown with 11 seconds left in the chiefs game down 42-23

– take away a touchdown down 30-7 with 10 mins left in the 4th to the raiders 

— take away a touchdown against the raiders when down 33-14 with 5 mins left. 

So now that 23.8 ppg against playoff teams becomes 16.8 ppg. THAT IS NOT FING GOOD. I didn’t even add he Bucs game where they were awful for 3/4 of the game until they got down 28-7 and the Bucs clearly took their foot off the gas. Somehow you keep justifying they are doing well but that’s not true. garbage time stats padding are inflating their numbers 

If you cannot understand all that then you are either just too stupid (which i very highly doubt you are) or just purposely ignoring it 

 

You can do that game for practically any team. Every team has some "trash' points, over 8 games that tends to even out a bit, and certainly by the end of the season.

Eagles do not score a lot of defensive points (b/c few turnovers) nor give their offense good field position on a regular basis. So you could claim the offense is better than its numbers b/c it's handicapped by its defense.

I understand that some people here just don't like Hurts b/c he doesn't have a RPG attached to his shoulder - but he throws it hard enough - what will make him or break him will be his ability to master a NFL offense. What remains to be seen is whether the new scheme is a better fit for him at this point in his development. He seems more comfortable, that's a good start.

I do like all the excuses for the "rookie" QBs, they're struggling with the game - but I thought their arm strength should allow them to compensate?  Or is arm strength overrated?

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  And it’s not close.  Reagor seems to have mailed it in. Hurts stinks. But at least he cares.  

You’ve grown a soft spot for Hurts in your old age

Reagor doesn't look like he's moving fast, but NextGen stats fastest guys with the ball:

#6 Reagor 21.74 on a PR (fastest is 22.05)

#8 Watkins 21.62 on 91 yard TD

So he has plenty of speed, it's a matter of figuring what he can do, not what he can't do.

A big WR would give them both better matchups by attracting a lot of attention underneath, Goedert does this to some extent, if Jackson were to start to emerge, he oculd play that role to some extent (6'7 with 4.59 speed, but he's not going to have the burst or route running skills of a good WR).

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Reagor doesn't look like he's moving fast, but NextGen stats fastest guys with the ball:

#6 Reagor 21.74 on a PR (fastest is 22.05)

#8 Watkins 21.62 on 91 yard TD

So he has plenty of speed, it's a matter of figuring what he can do, not what he can't do.

A big WR would give them both better matchups by attracting a lot of attention underneath, Goedert does this to some extent, if Jackson were to start to emerge, he oculd play that role to some extent (6'7 with 4.59 speed, but he's not going to have the burst or route running skills of a good WR).

 

Sutton would be a great fit in free agency

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Reagor doesn't look like he's moving fast, but NextGen stats fastest guys with the ball:

#6 Reagor 21.74 on a PR (fastest is 22.05)

So he has plenty of speed, it's a matter of figuring what he can do, not what he can't do.

Reagor is fast, but he doesn't run good routes. That's the problem. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Reagor is fast, but he doesn't run good routes. That's the problem. 

He needs more games, he's basically a rookie.  3 offenses in 3 years.  Poor kid is lost.

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

You can do that game for practically any team. Every team has some "trash' points, over 8 games that tends to even out a bit, and certainly by the end of the season.

Eagles do not score a lot of defensive points (b/c few turnovers) nor give their offense good field position on a regular basis. So you could claim the offense is better than its numbers b/c it's handicapped by its defense.

I understand that some people here just don't like Hurts b/c he doesn't have a RPG attached to his shoulder - but he throws it hard enough - what will make him or break him will be his ability to master a NFL offense. What remains to be seen is whether the new scheme is a better fit for him at this point in his development. He seems more comfortable, that's a good start.

I do like all the excuses for the "rookie" QBs, they're struggling with the game - but I thought their arm strength should allow them to compensate?  Or is arm strength overrated?

No, good offenses tend to not get down 17 plus points in 4 of their 5 games against playoff teams. They tend to be consistent throughout not pile on when down three scores. Eagles have done that 80% of their games against playoff teams  please show me all the top 5 offenses compiling garbage stats when down 3 scores in the 4th  in 80% of their games against playoff teams. 

you’re right Jalen hurts clearly comparable to rookies. He only had an entire year in the league going into a second year. 4 1/2 games played. He’s got to learn from nfl coaches at the NFL level for an entire year and offseason. had an entire offseason in knowing what to expect and an entire offseason to work on his faults at the nfl level. Being with his organization for over a year. but yup clearly the same as rookie QBs. Keep making those lame ass excuses even though that was never brought up in our convo. But hey you deflect like always because you know your inflated stats are BS

At this point I’m putting you on ignore because what you write is howie fluffing or excuse making or inflated stats you know the the all 22 and film shows otherwise. Just cause you write an novel doesn’t mean anyone buys what you are selling.  Have a good life Dave spindaro. 

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

Reagor is fast, but he doesn't run good routes. That's the problem. 

Which is odd to me because in college he was a capable route runner, granted maybe he looked capable as a route runner because majority of college corners suck.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You shouldn’t have to figure out what a first round WR can or can’t do.   But I’ll give it a shot.  

He can’t get open.  
He can get the feels on Twitter.  

Cool stat reagor has played 20 games as a pro. Averaging 27.8 receiving yards per game.

Meanwhile his counterpart mr. out of this world talent brought on by afan’s idol in JJAW has played 24 games and is averaging 10.6 receiving per game. But thankfully he can play special teams as a second round pick.