Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Moreover, what does it say that he's not held accountable for his inability to draft WRs or CBs in a pass driven league?   

What does it say that since 2011 he’s had more feuds with HC, players and FO personnel than 10 win seasons?

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Whoa. 

A fool and his money are soon parted.

 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

 

But does he have legs? 

I think you're missing his point which I understand to be about allowing him to develop.  I do think Hurts could make that throw but he would have to make the decision to make that throw quicker.  He can't throw with that velocity.  He can throw it that far and on a line drive.  It's the surveying the field and making the decision that's a bigger issue than arm strength with Hurts.  The problem with waiting for him is that he will never have that arm talent.  I think he has farther to go than Allen in terms of pocket presences.  Still if his ability to process and execute improve he could be an above average starter.  I'm not holding my breath. 

Hurts is not going to be an elite passer, of course, neither are the vast majority of QBs taken in the top 15 the last five years:

2021:  Lawrence (1), Wilson (2), Lance (3), Fields (11), M Jones (15)

2020:  Burrow (1), Tua (5), Herbert (6)

2019:  Murray (1), D Jones (6), Haskins (15)

2018:  Mayfield (1), Darnold (3), Allen (7), Rosen (10)

2017:  Trubisky (2), Mahomes (10), Watson (12)

18 QBs:  3 could be considered franchise QBs, Watson is a serious head case, Murray is a trick pony (would he fit any other offense?). 4 clear flops (Trubisky, Rosen, Darnold, Haskins), 3 probably not top 20 (Mayfield, Jones, Tua), Burrow is still a work in progress, 5 unknowns from this year's draft.

As bad as this year's group are playing as rookies, it's a stretch to project any of them as top ten QBs down the road.

Right now Hurts is about 18th among NFL QBs (19th QBR, 17 ANY/A). If he can develop into a top 15+ QB, it's not easy to find someone better, even picking in the top of the draft.

It doesn't mean you don't look, it means you don't reach.

And you can win with that guy if you build a good team around him. A top ten defense, a top OL and decent stable of skill players. Which isn't mission impossible.

Now we don't know if Hurts can improve as a passer to that #10-15 range, that is to be determined.

4 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 You’re probably right, but next season if Horn stays healthy, same for the rest of that defense, a good QB should have them in the playoffs, that good QB isn’t Cam.   I’m still surprised they traded for Darnold this season.    
 I can’t believe Rhule thought Darnold was much of an upgrade over Bridgewater. 

Punting on the 2021 QB class to trade a 2 for Darnold and his fifth-year option was something. 

At least when we punted on the draft class we did it with potentially 3 1s in our back pocket. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

In hindsight, it wasn’t the 40 time that was concerning. I truly don’t believe he’s a 4.47 guy, and I think the in-game GPS backs that up. Instead, I think the decision-making behind putting on all that extra weight was a red flag. It showed a lack of intelligence, and makes you question his approach. The most alarming of his tests were in the agility drills. It showed a lot of stiffness.

He was raw as a route runner, but most college receivers are. I don’t worry about that because I trust teams to do the digging to determine why it is — how he’s coached, work ethic, coachability, whatever. 

He just doesn’t seem to have it between the ears. He flashes nice routes from time to time, but there’s no consistency or game over game improvement. 

Take a look at the agility drills for most of the WRs that Howie has drafter.  Reagor is not alone in showing stiffness.  Fits JJAW and to some degree, Hightower and Watkins. Straight line speed. 

9 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yeah Darnold has been awful, I'd argue Cam might even be an upgrade over Darnold, and yeah PJ Walker is garbage.

Having said that don't think can makes them any better.

Rhule and Tedder were praised for moving on from Bridgewater and trading 3 picks for Darnold.  This seems like a desperation type move because they can keep their jobs if they make the playoffs.  They do have a decent chance given the wild card situation in the NFC.  

15 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yeah Darnold has been awful, I'd argue Cam might even be an upgrade over Darnold, and yeah PJ Walker is garbage.

Having said that don't think can makes them any better.

i agree, Cam's arm is shot and he can't really stay healthy either. I guess the real upside is it might bring fans back to the stadium. I have a friend who is a Panthers season ticket holder. He told me he was heckled out of the stadium this past week against the Patriots. He's sold his tickets to the next three games because he doesn't want to watch them anymore this season. I'm sure he's not the only one. It has to suck seeing more fans of the opposing team in your stadium if you are the owner.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts is not going to be an elite passer, of course, neither are the vast majority of QBs taken in the top 15 the last five years:

2021:  Lawrence (1), Wilson (2), Lance (3), Fields (11), M Jones (15)

2020:  Burrow (1), Tua (5), Herbert (6)

2019:  Murray (1), D Jones (6), Haskins (15)

2018:  Mayfield (1), Darnold (3), Allen (7), Rosen (10)

2017:  Trubisky (2), Mahomes (10), Watson (12)

18 QBs:  3 could be considered franchise QBs, Watson is a serious head case, Murray is a trick pony (would he fit any other offense?). 4 clear flops (Trubisky, Rosen, Darnold, Haskins), 3 probably not top 20 (Mayfield, Jones, Tua), Burrow is still a work in progress, 5 unknowns from this year's draft.

As bad as this year's group are playing as rookies, it's a stretch to project any of them as top ten QBs down the road.

Right now Hurts is about 18th among NFL QBs (19th QBR, 17 ANY/A). If he can develop into a top 15+ QB, it's not easy to find someone better, even picking in the top of the draft.

It doesn't mean you don't look, it means you don't reach.

And you can win with that guy if you build a good team around him. A top ten defense, a top OL and decent stable of skill players. Which isn't mission impossible.

Now we don't know if Hurts can improve as a passer to that #10-15 range, that is to be determined.

Hurts has a shot to get into the 10th best range as a passer, but it's a stretch for Lawrence and Wilson?

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

What does it say that Howie has spent a first and a second on WRs that cannot seem to run routes and a first, second and fifth on WRs that have difficulty catching the ball.  His track record on WRs is pretty bad. 

His track record drafting in general is pretty bad and his contracts are getting worse. I saw this tweet and not sure if its been shared here, but shows how much we have invested on defense and nothing to show for it. One of the top investors in the DL, but it's severely under performing.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Why does he dress like an idiot?

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

His track record drafting in general is pretty bad and his contracts are getting worse. I saw this tweet and not sure if its been shared here, but shows how much we have invested on defense and nothing to show for it. One of the top investors in the DL, but it's severely under performing.

 

 

I saw that tweet, but it doesn't really do much for me. Its 7th most cash because of all the restructures they have done as well as signing guys like Harris and Wilson and giving them big signing bonuses and voidable years. The bad GM'ing point stands but meh. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Why does he dress like an idiot?

Why did people with no musical talent end up trying out for American Idol, and then act shocked when they were told they were no good?

 

 

I blame the people around him for not having the courage and the love to tell him that he looks like a fool.

10 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 You’re probably right, but next season if Horn stays healthy, same for the rest of that defense, a good QB should have them in the playoffs, that good QB isn’t Cam.   I’m still surprised they traded for Darnold this season.    
 I can’t believe Rhule thought Darnold was much of an upgrade over Bridgewater. 

I would’ve taken a chance on Darnold over Bridgewater. Bridgewater you know what he is. He’s not good enough to get you to a Super Bowl. Frankly they have the offensive skill position talent and defense to be a playoff team if Sam Darnold or Bridgewater are just average.

But in order for them to get to a Super Bowl they need a much better quarterback. Darnold was still an unknown cause fo having to be on the jets and with Adam Gase. He failed miserably. I think they problem Carolina made was that they overpaid for darnold in the trade.  the jets had to move him and I don’t think the market was so overwhelmingly big that they should’ve paid that price. The jets knew they had to get rid of him and i think the longer it went the less value they’d get back especially if they drafted Wilson at that point. If they would’ve missed out on Sam Darnold I don’t think it would’ve been some catastrophic loss. There were other avenues. Taking a chance on darnold i don’t have an issue with. The value they paid i thought wasn’t worthy of taking that chance. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think he’s one of the richest owners in the NFL.  

I believe he’s the richest actually. He is worth 15.8 billion. And in second is Jerry jones at 10.7 billion. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Why did people with no musical talent end up trying out for American Idol, and then act shocked when they were told they were no good?

 

 

I blame the people around him for not having the courage and the love to tell him that he looks like a fool.

I get people w/o musical talent because frankly they have no ear for music and they literally can't tell they suck. Does Cam not own mirrors and notice that he looks like a freak compared to everyone else?

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Why does he dress like an idiot?

I mean what's wrong with a navy blue pullover and some running shoes? 

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A fool and his money are soon parted.

 

There are a contingent of Panthers' fans that will be excited by this move. I am sure they will have an uptick in Cam jerseys.  A lot of them think the team is just a QB away from making the playoffs.  

 

5 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

His track record drafting in general is pretty bad and his contracts are getting worse. I saw this tweet and not sure if its been shared here, but shows how much we have invested on defense and nothing to show for it. One of the top investors in the DL, but it's severely under performing.

 

 

I mean maybe being 31st in one category and 2nd in another doesn't lead to a good team.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think he’s one of the richest owners in the NFL.  

And apparently, happy to spend money foolishly.  And the salary cap isn't connected to the worth of the owner.

 

This was a stupid signing... and it's a stupider amount of money to pay for a guy that was literally sitting on the street.  

You can be the richest owner, but there’s still a salary cap. They’ve wasted up to $10M on Cam this year and are on the hook for almost $19M guaranteed for Darnold next year. 

9 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Hurts has a shot to get into the 10th best range as a passer, but it's a stretch for Lawrence and Wilson?

The fact watson isn’t a top 10 passer is amazing cause he’s a headcase. So cause he’s a headcase that the eagles have tried to acquire means he’s not top 10 QB?. Or that murray is a one trick pony even though they have the best record in the league and he’s top 3 for mvp 

1 minute ago, greend said:

I get people w/o musical talent because frankly they have no ear for music and they literally can't tell they suck. Does Cam not own mirrors and notice that he looks like a freak compared to everyone else?

Same difference.   In both cases, the people close to these tone deaf folks and the fashion blind Cam need to tell them... unless they don't really care about the person and get their entertainment from watching them make a fool of themselves.

11 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

His track record drafting in general is pretty bad and his contracts are getting worse. I saw this tweet and not sure if its been shared here, but shows how much we have invested on defense and nothing to show for it. One of the top investors in the DL, but it's severely under performing.

 

 

Great post by shlynch.  He was always our best poster ever at understanding the CBA and capology. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

You can the richest owner, but there’s still a salary cap. They’ve wasted up to $10M on Cam this year and are on the hook for almost $19M guaranteed for Darnold next year. 

They are just bringing in Cam because Darnold is injured right?

Just now, schuy7 said:

Hurts has a shot to get into the 10th best range as a passer, but it's a stretch for Lawrence and Wilson?

Based on their play this season, which is really bad, even by the standard of top draft pick rookie QBs.

Stafford (1) QBR 37.1, ANY/A 3.64.

Carr (36) 40.1/4.82

Burrow (1) 56.2/5.72

Herbert (6) 69.5/6.57

Allen (7) 49.8/5.35

Tannehill (8) 48.4/5.90

Dak (135) 77.6/7.86

Goff (1) 18.3/3.75 (7 games)

Darnold (3) 45.9/5.24

Winston (1) 57.2/6.44

 

Mac Jones 48.9/5.95

Lawrence 35.8/4.83

Fields 27.4/3.63

Wilson 28.0/3.42

 

 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There are a contingent of Panthers' fans that will be excited by this move. I am sure they will have an uptick in Cam jerseys.  A lot of them think the team is just a QB away from making the playoffs.  

And they still are.