I'm going to put out my QB rankings just so folks can critique it.  This would be ranking off the top of my head if my team had to play a game tomorrow and my house depended on it to win.  I'm counting Watson as HOU QB:

Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Allen, Watson, Herbert, Prescott, Stafford, Carr, Murray, Tannehill, Jackson, Wentz, Burrow, Ryan, Mayfield, Cousins, Garappolo, Bridgewater, Winston, Lawrence, Roethlisberger, Mac Jones, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Goff, Tua, Heinicke, Zach Wilson, Darnold  

 

I always thought QB rankings were interesting. I can point to half the guys in the top 12 and say pretty confidently, "This guy is never gonna win a Super Bowl." Starting that type of QB is a one way trip to purgatory.

I thought Waddle was the better prospect than Smith, but he’s not a first-round pick better than Smith. 

Considering our QB situation, it would have been malpractice for Howie to turn that deal down. To say the Eagles got it wrong is a brutal, brutal take. 

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm going to put out my QB rankings just so folks can critique it.  This would be ranking off the top of my head if my team had to play a game tomorrow and my house depended on it to win.  I'm counting Watson as HOU QB:

Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Allen, Watson, Herbert, Prescott, Stafford, Carr, Murray, Tannehill, Jackson, Wentz, Burrow, Ryan, Mayfield, Cousins, Garappolo, Bridgewater, Winston, Lawrence, Roethlisberger, Mac Jones, Hurts, Daniel Jones, Fields, Goff, Tua, Heinicke, Zach Wilson, Darnold  

 

brady, mahomes, rodgers, Wilson, Allen, Watson, Dak, herbert, Jackson, murray, Stafford, tannehill, carr, burrow, wentz, Ryan, cousins, baker, Big Ben (more cause of his past I’d trust him more), mac jones, hurts, Jimmy G, Lawrence, fields, jones, tua, Goff, heinicke, darnold and wilson 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I thought Waddle was the better prospect than Smith, but he’s not a first-round pick better than Smith. 

Considering our QB situation, it would have been malpractice for Howie to turn that deal down. To say the Eagles got it wrong is a brutal, brutal take. 

I think berman’s argument is a more Interesting discussion but that requires Justin fields becoming a franchise QB in time. 

1. Brady
2. Mahomes
3. Wilson
4. Rodgers
5. Jackson

6. Allen
7. Dak
8. Herbert
9. Stafford
10. Watson
11. Murray
12. Tannehill
13. Carr
14. Burrow
15. Wentz
16. Cousins
17. Baker
18. Ryan
19. Big Ben

20.  Bridgewater

@LeanMeanGM

Broncos - 31

Eagles - 27

Jalen Hurts with more yards and points in 4th quarter than rest of game. 

 

41 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I keep running draft sims at it just doesnt work to force a rd1 qb….

but the ones i actually like probably sneak into the bottom of rd1 to get that 5th yr option like Strong and Ridder…

if you dont take a qb rd1 you can come away with three foundational pieces.

Ridder is the most intriguing QB in the draft to me. He has by far the highest ceiling in the draft but is going to require time and development.

Not sure this staff can fulfill that.

29 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Ridder is the most intriguing QB in the draft to me. He has by far the highest ceiling in the draft but is going to require time and development.

Not sure this staff can fulfill that.

I usually don’t agree with Mel kiper jr. Cause he’s usually way off on his analysis. But he really said it best. I think Ridder because of his body/frame, athleticism and arm talent has potentially the highest ceiling of anyone of the QBs in the draft. But he also has the lowest floor of any of the top 3 round QBs  

He has a lot of the same issues when josh Allen came out. i think Allen was a better prospect with an absolute cannon elite arm but they both are very athletic, had great size/frame but Ridder has a good arm just not a josh Allen arm.  like when Allen came out his floor is really low due to accuracy issues and really didn’t play great when level of competition was upped. So you better get your daboll in place and have the coaches in place. Otherwise he is gonna just wind up being worse than trubisky. He’s a lot like Allen to me where he’s either going to boom or be a complete bust. I don’t see a middle ground with him. If we were picking at 32 like the ravens did with Lamar I’d think about taking a chance to get the fifth year option. But i don’t think he is as great of a prospect as Allen to go get him in the top half of the first round.

13 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Ridder is the most intriguing QB in the draft to me. He has by far the highest ceiling in the draft but is going to require time and development.

Not sure this staff can fulfill that.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I usually don’t agree with Mel kiper jr. Cause he’s usually way off on his analysis. But he really said it best. I think Ridder because of his body/frame, athleticism and arm talent has potentially the highest ceiling of anyone of the QBs in the draft. But he also has the lowest floor of any of the top 3 round QBs  

He has a lot of the same issues when josh Allen came out. i think Allen was a better prospect with an absolute cannon elite arm but they both are very athletic, had great size/frame but Ridder has a good arm just not a josh Allen arm.  like when Allen came out his floor is really low due to accuracy issues and really hasn’t played great when level of competition was upped. So you better get your daboll in place and have the coaches in place. Otherwise he is gonna just wind up being worse than trubisky. He’s a lot like Allen to me where he’s either going to boom or be a complete bust. I don’t see a middle ground with him. If we were picking at 32 like the ravens did with Lamar I’d think about taking a chance to get the fifth year option. But i don’t think he is as great of a prospect as Allen to go get him in the top half of the first round.

Really hoping to see him in the CFP. If he can deliver against Bama or Georgia's defense, his stock is going to go through the roof.

He is working with the same QB coach as Josh Allen, so at least there's' some roadmap he can follow.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

I keep running draft sims at it just doesnt work to force a rd1 qb….

but the ones i actually like probably sneak into the bottom of rd1 to get that 5th yr option like Strong and Ridder…

if you dont take a qb rd1 you can come away with three foundational pieces.

This is so important.  I know the majority of us on here are in agreement.

I look at this draft as the post Hershel Walker draft for the Cowboys.  That trade built the dominate Cowboys team of the 90s.  I really think the 2021 and 22 drafts are that level for the Eagles. 

Whoever is drafting, and I say that with hopes of Howie being gone, has a chance to build the Eagles team for the next decade. 

9 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Really hoping to see him in the CFP. If he can deliver against Bama or Georgia's defense, his stock is going to go through the roof.

He is working with the same QB coach as Josh Allen, so at least there's' some roadmap he can follow.

Sadly i think they get left out unless Ohio state or Oregon Lose. I also think they need Oklahoma to lose cause i think if they run the table in the big 12 they’ll leap them in the standings. 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is so important.  I know the majority of us on here are in agreement.

I look at this draft as the post Hershel Walker draft for the Cowboys.  That trade built the dominate Cowboys team of the 90s.  I really think the 2021 and 22 drafts are that level for the Eagles. 

Whoever is drafting, and I say that with hopes of Howie being gone, has a chance to build the Eagles team for the next decade. 

Db, dl, ol is how i probably play it

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is so important.  I know the majority of us on here are in agreement.

I look at this draft as the post Hershel Walker draft for the Cowboys.  That trade built the dominate Cowboys team of the 90s.  I really think the 2021 and 22 drafts are that level for the Eagles. 

Whoever is drafting, and I say that with hopes of Howie being gone, has a chance to build the Eagles team for the next decade. 

Not that it matters but the Cowboys drafted troy Aikman first overall in April in the 1989 draft. They made that Herschel Walker trade later in the year on October 12. So they already had their quarterback of the future in place so they could use all those picks to build the team around him. 

I am not saying use those picks to go get a quarterback or use them on defensive guys or building the team up. But what I’m saying is the cowboy situation is a lot different than the Eagles in the sense they already knew who their franchise quarterback was going forward so they could use those picks in whatever way they wanted too and didn’t have a question mark at Qb

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Ouch.  Now @austinfan will not respond.  He has a habit of that when you post facts that make him look foolish.

No. He didn't answer my question, which is how many yards do other young QBs get in garbage time on losing teams.

He just pointed to one young QB who had a good season on a losing team, which of course, means Lawrence, Wilson, Fields are total flops!

Of course, what it really means is a few QBs come into the league better prepared to be successful, and of course, you have to know why the team was 6-9, offense or lack of defense.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not that it matters but the Cowboys drafted troy Aikman first overall in April in the 1989 draft. They made that Herschel Walker trade later in the year on October 12. So they already had their quarterback of the future in place so they could use all those picks to build the team around him. 

I am not saying use those picks to go get a quarterback or use them on defensive guys or building the team up. But what I’m saying is the cowboy situation is a lot different than the Eagles in the sense they already knew who their franchise quarterback was going forward so they could use those picks in whatever way they wanted too and didn’t have a question mark at Qb

Aikman was dreadful as a rookie. What the Cowboys did was build a great OL, get him an elite RB, WR and TE, and didn't ask him to win games by himself.

I can imagine Aikman on another team being the first Bradford, beat the hell up behind a bad OL in a pass first offense with a mediocre running game.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No. He didn't answer my question

Actually he did.  Here are your words.  He did exactly what the comment below said.

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

The proper comparison is young QBs on losing teams. Do some research and get back to us.

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not that it matters but the Cowboys drafted troy Aikman first overall in April in the 1989 draft. They made that Herschel Walker trade later in the year on October 12. So they already had their quarterback of the future in place so they could use all those picks to build the team around him. 

I am not saying use those picks to go get a quarterback or use them on defensive guys or building the team up. But what I’m saying is the cowboy situation is a lot different than the Eagles in the sense they already knew who their franchise quarterback was going forward so they could use those picks in whatever way they wanted too and didn’t have a question mark at Qb

Valid point.  Further reason why we should all want Hurts to be the guy even if it looks more and more like he isn't. 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Aikman was dreadful as a rookie. What the Cowboys did was build a great OL, get him an elite RB, WR and TE, and didn't ask him to win games by himself.

I can imagine Aikman on another team being the first Bradford, beat the hell up behind a bad OL in a pass first offense with a mediocre running game.

I don’t disagree he was dreadful as a rookie. He took a beating and yet still manage to come out on the other side and not be David Carr.

Again the cowboys were able to build completely around aikman with those picks because they didn’t have to worry about using all those picks on a QB. We don’t know how the eagles feel about he current group of QB prospects and they are still question marks if hurts can be the guy. So the eagles scenario of where the eagles are and might fall in love with a QB prospect  is different than the cowboys scenario where they had no need to spend on a QB. 

cowboys just needed to build the team up around aikman. The eagles need to build the team up and potentially need a Qb. 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Actually he did.  Here are your words.  He did exactly what the comment below said.

 

He gave a list of QBs on winning teams and claimed, without actually checking, that they didn't have a lot of garbage stats (of course, if you're winning in the 4th Q, you're probably running out the clock and the defense is selling out to stop the run, so you'll throw few passes but should have a great QB rating).

My point is the proper comparison on garbage stats was other QBs on losing teams. Who actually play in garbage time.

As I've said before, reading comprehension is a lost art with a generation of twitter heads who can't write a stinkin' paragraph.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree he was dreadful as a rookie. He took a beating and yet still manage to come out on the other side and not be David Carr.

Again the cowboys were able to build completely around aikman with those picks because they didn’t have to worry about using all those picks on a QB. We don’t know how the eagles feel about he current group of QB prospects and they are still question marks if hurts can be the guy. So the eagles scenario of where the eagles are and might fall in love with a QB prospect  is different than the cowboys scenario where they had no need to spend on a QB. 

cowboys just needed to build the team up around aikman. The eagles need to build the team up and potentially need a Qb. 

The history of QBs on bad teams counsels build the team first, then cycle through QBs.

Because a young QB with a bad OL gets beat up, and if the defense is bad, will end up throwing 40 times a game. Pray for him.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Valid point.  Further reason why we should all want Hurts to be the guy even if it looks more and more like he isn't. 

I am only for taking a quarterback if the Philadelphia eagles scouts and front office truly love that quarterback. Don’t just take a quarterback because you want a quarterback to be your franchise quarterback. That is how teams make mistakes. If you actually believe that that kid is going to be a franchise quarterback that you can build around do it. and I don’t trust our front office or scouts to make that proper decision. Then again I don’t really trust them to make the right pick regardless. Those 3 picks all might be in the 10-15 range. They are as likely to get a Barnett or reagor as they are smith with how we’ve been picking.  

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am only for taking a quarterback if the Philadelphia eagles scouts and front office truly love that quarterback. Don’t just take a quarterback because you want a quarterback to be your franchise quarterback. That is how teams make mistakes. If you actually believe that that kid is going to be a franchise quarterback that you can build around do it. and I don’t trust our front office or scouts to make that proper decision. Then again I don’t really trust them to make the right pick regardless. Those 3 picks all might be in the 10-15 range. They are as likely to get a Barnett or reagor as they are smith with how we’ve been picking.  

So what you are saying is keep Howie Roseman and Jeff Lurie as far away from the decision as possible.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am only for taking a quarterback if the Philadelphia eagles scouts and front office truly love that quarterback. Don’t just take a quarterback because you want a quarterback to be your franchise quarterback. That is how teams make mistakes. If you actually believe that that kid is going to be a franchise quarterback that you can build around do it. and I don’t trust our front office or scouts to make that proper decision. Then again I don’t really trust them to make the right pick regardless. Those 3 picks all might be in the 10-15 range. They are as likely to get a Barnett or reagor as they are smith with how we’ve been picking.  

And there lies the problem.  I have zero faith that this team is going to do what's right for the team.

I really believe Howie is hard set on getting a QB...ANY QB.  Seeing him last night with the binoculars just reminded of me of how much of a tool he is.  I know other GMs were there but let's not act like Pickett or Howell are must see QBs worthy of a top pick.  He should have his scouts out there doing their job and gathering information.

Howie is either going to trade the farm for a declining, expensive vet or he's going to overdraft one in the 1st.

If he doesn't waste those picks then why should we believe he can make the right picks.

This sucks.