5 hours ago, Swoop said:

@austinfan

Thoughts?

Here we go again.. 😁

Everyone scared about the cap is clueless in my opinion.

I doubt this is the maximum Mr. Roseman can attain. The only reason this keeps getting talked about is to slander our GM. 

Berman has a pretty good article on Hurts this week.  I found this interesting:

The use of play action is particularly beneficial for Hurts. He’s 42-of-61 (68.9 percent) for 645 yards with a 102.2 quarterback rating out of play action this season. He’s 126-of-222 (59.4 percent) for 1,336 yards and an 87.7 quarterback rating on non-play-action plays. The smaller sample size could skew the numbers, but relative to others in the league, Hurts is one of the better play-action quarterbacks. He’s No. 4 in yards per attempt and No. 15 in completion percentage among all qualified quarterbacks on play-action passes. Without play action, he’s No. 28 in yards per attempt and No. 30 in completion percentage. Hurts said he’s comfortable in play action dating back to his experience at Alabama.

Now he follows that up with:

My biggest question is whether this is the way the Eagles are playing now to try to maximize Hurts, or if they feel it’s a sustainable way to win. Sirianni suggested that they must be able to adjust based on the defense. My suspicion is that the organization’s preference is to have a quarterback who can excel with a style closer to how the Eagles played in September. Perhaps Hurts develops into that type of player — or enough for the quarterback and the offense to evolve so it’s a hybrid between the two styles. Because as much as the focus sometimes goes to the areas where Hurts might be limited, he has proven this season that he can also make plays, as Sirianni pointed out, "that other players in this league can’t make.”

And all this time, I was blaming Marty when the suggestions keep coming that it is Lurie.  Zach is not all rainbows and unicorns:

The biggest concern with Hurts is that there are still passes he simply misses. And while it’s true that most quarterbacks miss throws, these have occurred too often — and are too costly — to simply excuse. Assuming this coaching staff remains in place beyond this season, the priority at quarterback isn’t necessarily someone with the biggest arm. It’s someone who’s accurate on a consistent basis. In Sunday’s loss to the Chargers, Hurts was honest about his frustration about missing DeVonta Smith in the end zone and Dallas Goedert on a deep pass downfield. Those were points off the board in a three-point loss. Like Andy Reid once said, we can all count.

But he offers this insight:

The biggest concern with Hurts is that there are still passes he simply misses. And while it’s true that most quarterbacks miss throws, these have occurred too often — and are too costly — to simply excuse. Assuming this coaching staff remains in place beyond this season, the priority at quarterback isn’t necessarily someone with the biggest arm. It’s someone who’s accurate on a consistent basis. In Sunday’s loss to the Chargers, Hurts was honest about his frustration about missing DeVonta Smith in the end zone and Dallas Goedert on a deep pass downfield. Those were points off the board in a three-point loss. Like Andy Reid once said, we can all count.

It’s important, then, to understand the context of why he misses throws. Take the miss to Smith, when Hurts was backpedaling without anyone in his face. It’s easy to suggest Hurts should have set his feet — he had the time and space — and delivered a strike to Smith. But there was more to that play.

The Eagles prepared for that scenario when they were in empty formation and the Chargers appeared set to rush six. Hurts thought the middle linebacker was going to rush as the sixth player. The defensive end would be the free rusher and Hurts was instructed to drift away from the rusher. Before the play, the coaches on the sideline and Hurts saw the same look, expecting the blitz. However, the Chargers didn’t rush the extra linebacker. The Eagles had the protection they needed after all. So Hurts did what he was taught to do, but what he expected and what occurred were different.

"The coaching point is, ‘Hey, you were on the right point where you started that drop, that drift drop, because you’ve got to trust what your preparation was all week,’” coach Nick Sirianni said. "So what our point was to him is like, ‘OK, they didn’t bring it. You didn’t have to drift as much right there. See if you can set your feet and deliver right there,’ because I thought DeVonta ran a pretty good route. Again, I believe that Jalen is definitely going to be the first one to tell you he wants that throw back. I want that throw back for him.”

However, there have been too many throws that Hurts or Sirianni would want back. Those plays must be reduced. With a lower volume, plus more under-center and play-action passes, the Eagles are playing to Hurts’ strengths. But he still must be more consistent with his passes when they’re there to be made.

Good read.  He and Sheil are a big reason I subscribe to The Athletic.

17 minutes ago, Infam said:

Here we go again.. 😁

Everyone scared about the cap is clueless in my opinion.

I doubt this is the maximum Mr. Roseman can attain. The only reason this keeps getting talked about is to slander our GM. 

One need to only look at the dead money to see that is false. The results show clear incompetence on his part and the owners

Hurts is a work in progress, so are all the QBs drafted last year, and most of the ones drafted the previous two years.

And even when a QB starts his career hot, that's not a guarantee he'll continue to do so (Goff, Wentz). 

Which is why I'm patient, until an alternative comes along that is clearly superior at the right price (no, 2+ 1st rd picks for Wilson would be stupid at his age), might as well stick with what you have. Change for change's sack usually ends up as a disaster.

I don't think Sirianni has a scheme he's wedded to, rather, he tried one approach with Hurts and realized he had overloaded the kid, now he's going with a more conservative approach which is how you should work with a young QB - Sirianni had Luck and Rivers in Indy, no rookie QBs he was breaking in. Brissett struggled there in his second season, #91 pick in the draft in 2016, traded for Dorsett. Forced to start in 2017 before Siri was the OC, then again in 2019 in his 4th season. Brissett did improve in Indy, has regressed in Miami.

Siri's on a learning curve too. Whether they stick with Hurts, Sirianni is learning how to handle young QBs v veterans where you don't have to worry about the mental part of the game.

Going with a run oriented offense behind a top run blocking line, then gradually working in a more pass oriented scheme, will help evaluate not only Hurts but his young OL who are better run blockers than pass blockers right now - this gives everyone a chance to master the fundamentals of the passing game without being overwhelmed.

Hurts sucks. That’s all. 

If the Eagles can get Russell Wilson and he wants to come here, I say do it.

Some don't like the idea because of his age but he still has at least 5 good years left.  QBs are playing longer and there's no reason he couldn't play till he's 40.

Question is what to give up for him?  If Seattle wants all three 1sts or more than forget it.  If they could do maybe a 1st in 2022 and a 1st in 2023 or something like that I'd be fine with that.  Cowherd mentioned the other day a team should send Seattle five 1sts for Wilson.  That ain't happening.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts sucks. That’s all. 

As a passer.....yes.  He's pretty good as a runner though.  I'll give him that.

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts is a work in progress, so are all the QBs drafted last year, and most of the ones drafted the previous two years.

 

Sure he's a work in progress but what's his end result?  To be an average quarterback?  If you want a work in progress you want the finished product to be a franchise QB.  Hurts isn't that.  He's a high end backup. 

28 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If the Eagles can get Russell Wilson and he wants to come here, I say do it.

Some don't like the idea because of his age but he still has at least 5 good years left.  QBs are playing longer and there's no reason he couldn't play till he's 40.

Question is what to give up for him?  If Seattle wants all three 1sts or more than forget it.  If they could do maybe a 1st in 2022 and a 1st in 2023 or something like that I'd be fine with that.  Cowherd mentioned the other day a team should send Seattle five 1sts for Wilson.  That ain't happening.

As a passer.....yes.  He's pretty good as a runner though.  I'll give him that.

I think it’s fair to say we will never see Hurts win us a game with his arm

The question with Wilson is how good is he out of the pocket.

A lot of Seattle's offense has been Wilson running around and making plays, but if you're looking at him at 34, you have to ask whether that's viable going forward.

On the other hand, he's had 2 Pro bowl OL in the last 8 years, Unger 2013, Duane Brown 2017, so he'd probably love the Eagles OL - but could he see around them?

35 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If the Eagles can get Russell Wilson and he wants to come here, I say do it.

Some don't like the idea because of his age but he still has at least 5 good years left.  QBs are playing longer and there's no reason he couldn't play till he's 40.

Question is what to give up for him?  If Seattle wants all three 1sts or more than forget it.  If they could do maybe a 1st in 2022 and a 1st in 2023 or something like that I'd be fine with that.  Cowherd mentioned the other day a team should send Seattle five 1sts for Wilson.  That ain't happening.

You might be fine with that, but Seattle won't be.

Our 3 first will literally be the starting point, going to have to throw in more picks or players on top of that.

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

People wanted Howie to rebuild after 2019, so he's a year late, but manages to pick up Smith, Dickerson, Williams and Miami's 1st to speed the rebuild.

Nope.  Most people wanted him to be smarter about how he went about continuing the process... not throwing bad money after old injured players.  But, he did that.  Not to tie the team to aging vets and overpay them for their past contributions and sticking the team with them.  

 

But, hey, Brandon Brooks once upon a time was a great OG.  Now he's a great big paper weight on the IR... again.  Shame no one could have seen that coming before he signed him the big contract extension 2 years before his current deal had ended.  Did the same thing with Lane Johnson too.  And Fletcher Cox.  And Brandon Graham.  

 

But, after 2019 it was beyond obvious that they needed to move forward and he chose not to.  

 

We can give Joe Banner a load of crap for what happened with Dawkins, but he was smart enough to know when to move on from aging vets.  Almost every vet that reached that magic 30 plateau and moved on was out of the NFL in the next year or so.  The flip side is that Howie has latched on and those anchors pulled the Eagles down to the bottom of the NFL.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Nice stats.  The reality is that Howie has not shown success in drafting defense and in fact has ignored it.  This year, it is held together by one year bandaids.  

You don't need to really qualify it as trouble drafting defense.. its drafting in general.  

On the Eagles roster right now are TWO players that the Eagles drafted and made it to the Pro Bowl.  One drafted in 2012 - Cox.  The other drafted in 2013 - Johnson.   (On IR is Brandon Graham - drafted in 2010.)  That's quite a history of bad drafting, you would think that might get the owner's attention.   

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Hurts is a work in progress, so are all the QBs drafted last year, and most of the ones drafted the previous two years.

And even when a QB starts his career hot, that's not a guarantee he'll continue to do so (Goff, Wentz). 

Which is why I'm patient, until an alternative comes along that is clearly superior at the right price (no, 2+ 1st rd picks for Wilson would be stupid at his age), might as well stick with what you have. Change for change's sack usually ends up as a disaster.

🤔. I wonder what just happened at the QB position in the last 12 months.   Is the new guy "clearly superior"?  Nope.  

Welcome to disaster, folks.

Peters missed a full season at 30, then had 4 pro bowl seasons and missed 2 games in 4 years, missed half the season at 35, then played 29 of the next 32 games.

Brooks missed a full season at 31, then had a pec injury, completely unrelated to the achilles, crap happens.

Lane seems recovered from his ankle, he's 31, and when healthy maybe the best RT in the NFL.

Yes, it's always a risk, but when you have All pro talent, it's hard to replace. Brooks and Lane when healthy are all pro talent.

Big game for Matt Corral today for those that are fans of his

Man how good is this look.  The uniform, the player, the white spat on black cleats.  Just by the stance you can tell that's Byron Evans behind him.

Really depressing knowing the Eagles rich defensive tradition  and having to watch what we do on Sundays.

 

Looking forward to watching Hutchinson against Penn State.

Might be our first pick.

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Peters missed a full season at 30, then had 4 pro bowl seasons and missed 2 games in 4 years, missed half the season at 35, then played 29 of the next 32 games.

Brooks missed a full season at 31, then had a pec injury, completely unrelated to the achilles, crap happens.

Lane seems recovered from his ankle, he's 31, and when healthy maybe the best RT in the NFL.

Yes, it's always a risk, but when you have All pro talent, it's hard to replace. Brooks and Lane when healthy are all pro talent.

And when they aren't healthy, they are just expensive door stops.

 

Peters also went on to be a liability at LT and later RG for about 2 years.   I'm not marking a line in the sand at 30 saying.. "this far and no farther". I'm suggesting that the GM have... wait for it... foresight.

Was there a need to sign Brooks to a mega extension, after the age of 30 and after the Achilles?  Nope, but Howie did it anyway, without considering the risk.  Same with Johnson.  These were unnecessary risks at top dollar, and he put no protection in there for the team if they got injured.  This was bad management.  If he had made the contracts a little more incentive based for them to maintain their current level of play, then there would have been protection for the team, and some security for them.  But, Howie didn't go that way.  He went the "Make the guy the highest paid player at his position" route.  And it's blown up in his face.   BTW, this isn't hindsight.  I said it at the time, and will continue to say it... older players get injured more frequently, and their effectiveness drops.  You cannot afford to pay them at the rate that they were paid in their prime, when they are PAST it.  Sorry... Howie doesn't get a pass for 'bad luck', when anyone who's watched sports for any length of time knows that players who get older get injured more frequently and get less effective.  It was careless on his part and he didn't want to have to make the tough decision to hold a line in the negotiation and protect the team from the inevitable... injury to older players.   

Then he did the same thing with Desean Jackson... signing him to a big contract, locking the team in to him, even while he was already under contract and they had just paid a draft pick to acquire him.  If they wanted to give him a new deal, then don't trade for him.  But, I think the Eagles ended up paying something ridiculous like $2M for every game he played or about $800k for each reception.   Nice investment!

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  Most people wanted him to be smarter about how he went about continuing the process... not throwing bad money after old injured players.  But, he did that.  Not to tie the team to aging vets and overpay them for their past contributions and sticking the team with them.  

 

But, hey, Brandon Brooks once upon a time was a great OG.  Now he's a great big paper weight on the IR... again.  Shame no one could have seen that coming before he signed him the big contract extension 2 years before his current deal had ended.  Did the same thing with Lane Johnson too.  And Fletcher Cox.  And Brandon Graham.  

 

But, after 2019 it was beyond obvious that they needed to move forward and he chose not to.  

 

We can give Joe Banner a load of crap for what happened with Dawkins, but he was smart enough to know when to move on from aging vets.  Almost every vet that reached that magic 30 plateau and moved on was out of the NFL in the next year or so.  The flip side is that Howie has latched on and those anchors pulled the Eagles down to the bottom of the NFL.

I probably was the one he was referring to in that people wanted them to rebuild after 2019. That was me because I said that run at the end of 2019 was pure fools gold based off fortuitous scheduling and a roster that obviously needed a complete infusion of young talent on defense and young talent along the oline and at WR. 

that said his argument they only waited an extra year too long to do it as a justification is BS. First they wouldn’t have this signficant of a rebuild it howie didn’t continuously screw up draft classes. 2017, 2019 and now looking like 2020 have put the Eagles in another category of rebuild. Then when you add in poor restructuring and contracts that hurts their cap space availability to sign some of the younger better free agents (like more hargrave’s). The only reason the Eagles are in the spot they are in with this significant of a rebuild that’s going to take 3-4 years is because for 3 of 4 years from 2017-2020 they had poor draft classes and killed their cap with poor restructurings 

Furthermore waiting a year to start the rebuild is even more ridiculous because they knew they needed a rebuild. They told all of us in a press conference that they were going to do a rebuild after the 2019 season. That was the initial plan but then the pandemic hit and they saw there was three new coaches in the division so they thought they could win the division. So they knew they needed a rebuild which means they knew they weren’t good enough to win a Super Bowl or be a title contender and still made moves like they were a title so that they could win a **** division.  So instead of getting rid of older players and ripping the Band-Aid off and maybe getting some picks for them so that you can acquire more young talent and the rebuild being further ahead, they decided it was more important to win a bad division in a pandemic as the knowingly knew they needed to rebuild after the 2019. Which really means they also knew they were not a true title contender if they knew they needed a pretty big rebuild after 2019. So they restructured contracts of some of these older veteran and now stuck with older players that makes it even harder for them to trade them today. whereas they coildve gotten picks for them at time and infused more young talent into the rebuild. So you put yourself even further behind in a rebuild and could’ve had even more picks to help in the rebuild because they got convinced by the pandemic they could win a crap division and further hurt their ability to trade some of these veteran players with bad restructuring of contracts 

Hutchinson's teammate is also very impressive, Ojabo.

Reminds me of Oweh from last year.

LMAO 

 

Lol, Penn St. 

50 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I think it’s fair to say we will never see Hurts win us a game with his arm

He kinda did week 1 against Atlanta but it was mostly all short throws.  But I get what you're saying.

The last couple games he actually made some really nice throws from the pocket when he stood in there, set his feet and threw it accurately.   He needs to do this alot more.

 

Go home yahoo you’re drunk