3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

I'd argue that a rangy ballhawking S in today's NFL is just as valuable as any D position.  Give me D players who can create TOs all day.  Sure, they'll get burned here and there now and then, but the value of a D that can consistently force TOs outweighs that.

 

I don’t disagree but their philosophy is more they will pay in FA for a safety (jenkins and mcleod) then draft a safety high. The last safety they eagles took in the first 3 rounds was Nate Allen which was about a decade ago. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree but their philosophy is more they will pay in FA for a safety (jenkins and mcleod) then draft a safety high. The last safety they eagles took in the first 3 rounds was Nate Allen which was about a decade ago. 

And Dawk wasn't  a 1st rounder. There isn't a precedence set of them going safety in Round 1.  It's just like LB.  1979 since a true LB.  They value OL, DL, QB in Round 1 and recently WR.  I'm pretty sure we go QB and DL in Round 1.  And, we probably trade one of our firsts into 2023 and get a mid round pick in addition for doing it.  I will be shocked if the Eagles use all 3 first rounders in 2022. 

While he hasn't looked great tonight,  A&M QB Zach Calzada is going to be a top pick next year.  Serious arm talent and great size at 6-4 210.  If Howie can refuse blowing his load this year on getting a QB and holding out until next year that would be so much better for the franchise.  I'd really prefer riding Minshew next year, not because he's the answer but because he's the better QB to help the Eagles WR develop. 

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s just today.  He hasn’t done that up until now.  He’s been pretty spot on.  He’s definitely had a bad game. Against a great defense.  But sailing those two was weird. Easy throws for him.  

First time I've actually watched him. 

6 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

And Dawk wasn't  a 1st rounder. There isn't a precedence set of them going safety in Round 1.  It's just like LB.  1979 since a true LB.  They value OL, DL, QB in Round 1 and recently WR.  I'm pretty sure we go QB and DL in Round 1.  And, we probably trade one of our firsts into 2023 and get a mid round pick in addition for doing it.  I will be shocked if the Eagles use all 3 first rounders in 2022. 

I kind of think you are right. That’s how i see them going about this. 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

While he hasn't looked great tonight,  A&M QB Zach Calzada is going to be a top pick next year.  Serious arm talent and great size at 6-4 210.  If Howie can refuse blowing his load this year on getting a QB and holding out until next year that would be so much better for the franchise.  I'd really prefer riding Minshew next year, not because he's the answer but because he's the better QB to help the Eagles WR develop. 

Lurie's lust for QBs is almost like his lust for keeping Howie. So, I don't see that happening.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree but their philosophy is more they will pay in FA for a safety (jenkins and mcleod) then draft a safety high. The last safety they eagles took in the first 3 rounds was Nate Allen which was about a decade ago. 

Never forget…

6 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Lurie's lust for QBs is almost like his lust for keeping Howie. So, I don't see that happening.

Yup. If hurts doesn’t change their mind about him being their long term answer then lurie isn’t going to sit around for another year. Heck he had Bradford under contract, signed chase Daniel and then still went in and got wentz cause he wanted his long term answer at QB. And let’s not pretend like the Goff and wentz class was thought of as great. There were a lot of analysts (and people on the board) who said the previous years top 2 prospects (mariota and Jameis) were considered much better. A lot of people wanted to just give Bradford another year and wait for the 2017 class where at the time watson was considered the top QB prospect. 

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Never forget…

Forgot he was 2011 and Allen was 2010. Had them switch. Really believe Allen and jarrett’s failures as high round safety selects have made them go the avenue of just spending on the position in FA 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. If hurts doesn’t change their mind about him being their long term answer then lurie isn’t going to sit around for another year. Heck he had Bradford under contract, signed chase Daniel and then still went in and got wentz cause he wanted his long term answer at QB. And let’s not pretend like the Goff and wentz class was thought of as great. There were a lot of analysts (and people on the board) who said the previous years top 2 prospects (mariota and Jameis) were considered much better. 

Also, Howie and Lurie want to justify keeping Nick around. They want to give Nick his guy.  Then, if the Eagles have a bad season next year, they can blame it on their need to develop the young QB.   If Nick is fired within 2 years, it makes Lurie and Howie look incompetent and they can't have that.

6 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Also, Howie and Lurie want to justify keeping Nick around. They want to give Nick his guy.  Then, if the Eagles have a bad season next year, they can blame it on their need to develop the young QB.   If Nick is fired within 2 years, it makes Lurie and Howie look incompetent and they can't have that.

I think they would love to get watson or Wilson (if he’s available). I think that’s their first goal. And i don’t think they just stop trying until either are definitively traded somewhere else. Whether they can convince either to want to be dealt here (doubtful) but i do not think they have ruled themselves out of dealing for them. I tend to think howie and lurie see themselves as a great tandem and organization for any player and believe they can convince them to change their mind (not saying that’s true but how they view themselves and the eagles). 

once that is resolved i think they’ll really dive into the draft class. Whether or not they truly love one is unknown to all of us. I think they’ll say they do but it might be more they love the idea of one. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think they would love to get watson or Wilson (if he’s available). I think that’s their first goal. And i don’t think they just stop trying until he’s is definitively traded somewhere else. Whether they can convince either to want to be dealt here (doubtful) but i do not think they have ruled themselves out of dealing for them. I tend to think howie and lurie see themselves as a great tandem and organization for any player and believe they can convince them to change their mind (not saying that’s true but how they view themselves and the eagles). 

once that is resolved i think they’ll really dive into the draft class. Whether or not they truly love one is unknown to all of us. I think they’ll say they do but it might be more they love the idea of one. 

I doubt they will be able to get Wilson.  I hope they don't get Watson with that baggage.  But, they will go after a QB. I don't doubt it.

6 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Also, Howie and Lurie want to justify keeping Nick around. They want to give Nick his guy.  Then, if the Eagles have a bad season next year, they can blame it on their need to develop the young QB.   If Nick is fired within 2 years, it makes Lurie and Howie look incompetent and they can't have that.

I understand that mindset 100%.  What if Nick says none of these QBs are worth it but next years class looks to have guys I can work with?  I'm not just saying that because I suggested waiting but legitimately curious about if that's how he might think.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Forgot he was 2011 and Allen was 2010. Had them switch. Really believe Allen and jarrett’s failures as high round safety selects have made them go the avenue of just spending on the position in FA 

The highest paid FA safety is making what $15M/year… I think Waddle 6th overall last year is averaging $11M. So, yeah not a huge discount. But making picks that actually pan out is the key.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I understand that mindset 100%.  What if Nick says none of these QBs are worth it but next years class looks to have guys I can work with?  I'm not just saying that because I suggested waiting but legitimately curious about if that's how he might think.

Getting a rookie gives Nick an additional 2 years at least.  If he goes with Minshew and if the year is a disaster, he has less of an excuse because Minshew has experience and has shown production at times.  And, if they hit with a young QB, then it gives Nick a lot of job security.  So, I don't see Nick in favor of not drafting a QB high.

2 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I doubt they will be able to get Wilson.  I hope they don't get Watson with that baggage.  But, they will go after a QB. I don't doubt it.

I think a sleeper team in the Wilson sweepstakes could be the giants. If gettleman is fired then i could see the next GM not being high on jones and using their pick and the bears pick to get him. It makes sense as reports are his wife wants to be in a bigger market like New York, Vegas or Miami. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think a sleeper team in the Wilson sweepstakes could be the giants. If gettleman is fired then i could see the next GM not being high on jones and using their pick and the bears pick to get him. It makes sense as reports are his wife wants to be in a bigger market like New York, Vegas or Miami. 

I doubt they would trade him to a NFC team unless the offer is insanely better than an AFC team.

3 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Getting a rookie gives Nick an additional 2 years at least.  If he goes with Minshew and if the year is a disaster, he has less of an excuse because Minshew has experience and has shown production at times.  And, if they hit with a young QB, then it gives Nick a lot of job security.  So, I don't see Nick in favor of not drafting a QB high.

I think he wants an offense based more around what the colts were like in 2018 when luck was there. That’s probably the most ideal. The colts that year attempted 639 passes and 408 rushes. That’s a 61-39 ratio. The next year in 2019 it was closer to 50-50 cause brissett was the QB and he isn’t a great QB. So they tried to take the ball out of his hands more and play ball control. They had 513 pass attempts to 471 rushing attempts. So 52-48. The 2020 season they saw an increase in passing attempts and slight decline in rushing attempts. I think if rivers wasn’t at the end of his career those passing attempts likely would’ve have been higher. But it was 552-459 Pass to run ratio so 55-45. With hurts i don’t think the ideal offense you’d want is 60-40 passing. At least not at this particular stage of his career. 

7 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

I doubt they would trade him to a NFC team unless the offer is insanely better than an AFC team.

That giants pick and bears pick both might be top 10. The bears schedule isn’t easy down the stretch. They have the ravens, cardinals, packers and Seahawks with Russell Wilson back still on the schedule. The giants aren’t very good. That might be the best offer they get tbh. 

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I understand that mindset 100%.  What if Nick says none of these QBs are worth it but next years class looks to have guys I can work with?  I'm not just saying that because I suggested waiting but legitimately curious about if that's how he might think.

Tbh i don’t think the eagles are going to make a decision on what Nick thinks. I think this decision ultimately comes down to what lurie thinks and wants. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

While he hasn't looked great tonight,  A&M QB Zach Calzada is going to be a top pick next year.  Serious arm talent and great size at 6-4 210.  If Howie can refuse blowing his load this year on getting a QB and holding out until next year that would be so much better for the franchise.  I'd really prefer riding Minshew next year, not because he's the answer but because he's the better QB to help the Eagles WR develop. 

Last throw he made might of just cost him. Granted the receiver didn't help either 

6 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

He literally grabbed his leg and twisted it. If roles were reversed it would have been a fine easily 

 

If roles were reversed than that would have been a defender trying to make a tackle.  

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree but their philosophy is more they will pay in FA for a safety (jenkins and mcleod) then draft a safety high. The last safety they eagles took in the first 3 rounds was Nate Allen which was about a decade ago. 

Does Jaiquawn Jarrett mean nothing to you???

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Never forget…

Beat me to it 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Does Jaiquawn Jarrett mean nothing to you???

Beat me to it 

Yeah i forgot he was drafted in 2011 and Allen was 2010. I thought thought Allen was 2011 and jarrett was 2010 

31 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If roles were reversed than that would have been a defender trying to make a tackle.  

He rolls his ankle, plus leg sweeps Burns’s other leg, that’s a take down, not a tackle.  
 
Also, Burns and Jones have history that goes back to being High School rivals.