8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Except he wasn't equally bad in the 2nd half. The interception was off his arm being hit from behind in max protection (staying in the pocket ).

So basically one bad pass, and the running game uses Hurts as an option, his ability to run outside keeps the defense from stacking up between the tackles and allows the OL to open big holes inside. So you have to give him some credit for the 60 yard drive even if he doesn't pass the ball. He's an integral part of the running game, something Minshew can't give you.

He's still learning to recognize blitzes, which of course is shocking for a QB with 14 starts under his belt.

Listen I think overall Hurts had a really good game yesterday. An absolutely unreal first half that honestly I never expected out of him. 

But let's be serious. It was a close game for the entire third quarter. It's not like we were in protect mode at that point. To go 1/3 with an INT and a near INT in the ENTIRE 2nd half, is ridiculous to say he was good. He wasn't, and THAT'S OK. I'm fine with the game plan from Sirianni to run it out once Slay returned the fumble. 

But before Slay did that, we had 2 drives:

-1 yard run by Hurts

2 yard completion to Stoll

Terrible throw and thank god for Smith breaking up an INT. So clearly we weren't in run it out mode yet.

Terrible drive.

Next drive, after Denver pulls to within 7 points:

Howard 5 yard run, Scott 21 yard run.

Hurts, -2 yard run, then the INT on the next play. Make whatever excuses you want, of the three passes he has now thrown in the 2nd half, one should have been picked off, and the other was. He also has 2 runs for -3 yards at this point.

Now, Slay gets the fumble for a TD and we go into ultra run mode, never attempting another pass, which was absolutely the right decision to make. 

Please tell me again how that is considered a GOOD half for a QUARTERBACK. Not a RB. 

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

It's a safer commentary to say that we really don't have a full picture of if he were better or worse in the 2nd half.  He had a strong 1st half.   

He did have an INT (to go along with his TDs), but he also had a TD dropped and an another INT defended by Smith.  

I still believe that the almost INT was more a great play by Surtain than a bad play by Hurts.  The throw was accurate.  Surtain made a good read and a nice athletic play.

Think of the fumble.  We are calling it a big play by Taylor.  I'm sure Bronco fans are putting it all on Gordon.

48 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Interesting point on Smith

 

Forget playing defense, he almost caught the damn ball

Hes a stud, nothing else to say.  Home run draft pick

Hurts runs in the 2nd half:

-1 yard

-2 yards

1 yard

5 yards

3 yards on the bad snap

1 yard

Then the kneel downs.

So even as a runner in the 2nd half, he was bad. Just stop it. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I was thinking about RB after the game last night and while Scott/Howard are playing well behind the line now, how much better could the running game be with a true bell cow?  If Jalen Hurts is the quarterback here and he needs a strong running game to play at his best, maybe the Eagles should look in to bringing in someone who can be THE GUY.  I'm talking a Derrick Henry, Najee Harris, Jonathan Taylor kind of RB.

It's GREAT to see the focus on the running game but seeing how effective it can be with average running backs, I can't help but imagine what a stud RB could do behind this line. 

Miles Sanders is a nice RB but he leaves too much meat on the bones.  Howard and Scott are still JAG types IMO benefiting from great O-Line play.  Gainwell is a good change up/passing game RB.

I would LOVE Isaiah Spiller in the draft.  

TEN has an 8-2 record and Derrick Henry as the best rushing RB in the NFL -- through 10 games they have 1316 rushing yards and 4.2 yards per carry

PHI has a 4-6 record and a RBBC along with Hurts running the ball -- through 10 games they have 1443 rushing yards and 5.0 yards per carry

 

Bell cow doesn't seem to be a huge need at present.

19 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I figured today would be tough for the Hurts hating crowd after a big road win. 

I'll give credit where credit is due.

Hurts looked like a competent QB in the first half, he made plays in and out of the pocket was accurate hit guys on time made plays with his arm and feet.

Second half tough to judge what he have 3 passes?

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

TEN has an 8-2 record and Derrick Henry as the best rushing RB in the NFL -- through 10 games they have 1316 rushing yards and 4.2 yards per carry

PHI has a 4-6 record and a RBBC along with Hurts running the ball -- through 10 games they have 1443 rushing yards and 5.0 yards per carry

 

Bell cow doesn't seem to be a huge need at present.

Nah.  Gotta have more shiny objects.

However, it would be nice to see our rushing numbers without scrambles, just Hurts' contribution within the framework of the run game.

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hurts runs in the 2nd half:

-1 yard

-2 yards

1 yard

5 yards

3 yards on the bad snap

1 yard

Then the kneel downs.

So even as a runner in the 2nd half, he was bad. Just stop it. 

 

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Listen I think overall Hurts had a really good game yesterday. An absolutely unreal first half that honestly I never expected out of him. 

But let's be serious. It was a close game for the entire third quarter. It's not like we were in protect mode at that point. To go 1/3 with an INT and a near INT in the ENTIRE 2nd half, is ridiculous to say he was good. He wasn't, and THAT'S OK. I'm fine with the game plan from Sirianni to run it out once Slay returned the fumble. 

But before Slay did that, we had 2 drives:

-1 yard run by Hurts

2 yard completion to Stoll

Terrible throw and thank god for Smith breaking up an INT. So clearly we weren't in run it out mode yet.

Terrible drive.

Next drive, after Denver pulls to within 7 points:

Howard 5 yard run, Scott 21 yard run.

Hurts, -2 yard run, then the INT on the next play. Make whatever excuses you want, of the three passes he has now thrown in the 2nd half, one should have been picked off, and the other was. He also has 2 runs for -3 yards at this point.

Now, Slay gets the fumble for a TD and we go into ultra run mode, never attempting another pass, which was absolutely the right decision to make. 

Please tell me again how that is considered a GOOD half for a QUARTERBACK. Not a RB. 

Thank you.

Good game? Sure. Did he do things better than he has been (staying in the pocket)? Sure. Context seems to continually get thrown out the window.

Now we have people on the site saying Hurts has been consistent in his play and needs to run more.

Obvious troll is obvious, but do people really believe this?

Im already off the Hurts train, but he had a damn good game yesterday.  If you cant admit it, youre not being honest with yourself.

He got too giddy after that first half and almost threw 2 picks until they finally reined him back in.  But if he wants to be considered for the starting spot, those are the types of games he needs to deliver consistently.

Hes got a soft schedule the rest of the way, I have to admit hes earned the right to finish the season IF he continues trending the right direction. 

IMO hes got to play at a Pro Bowl level because hes about to face some soft teams

Just now, Alphagrand said:

TEN has an 8-2 record and Derrick Henry as the best rushing RB in the NFL -- through 10 games they have 1316 rushing yards and 4.2 yards per carry

PHI has a 4-6 record and a RBBC along with Hurts running the ball -- through 10 games they have 1443 rushing yards and 5.0 yards per carry

 

Bell cow doesn't seem to be a huge need at present.

Not saying it's a need, just wondering how much better they could be.  I love a good running game so this change in approach is very welcome in my eyes.  A lot of us discussed having visions of Mailata and Dickerson being road graders on the left side and we are getting to see that.  

Ideally though, we don't want Hurts running the ball as much as he is.  I'm happy with scrambles and such but IMO, they are running too many designed QB runs.  It's just not sustainable. Having him average 60 yards on the ground per game isn't a recipe for long term success.  

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I guarantee the majority of Hurts realists would love for him to emerge as a quality QB.

I don't think this is remotely true. Look at the posting after a bad Hurts game (Panthers, Cowboys, Bucs) as opposed to one where he plays well (Lions, right now.) More importantly look at the volume of posts from certain members. They are virtually non-existent after Hurts plays well, but on here like a flock of vultures when he doesn't.

Many have put themselves in a position where they are more miserable after a win than a loss, because the Eagles playing well makes them wrong about the team. It's almost a certainty that very few of the board members who have spent the past year bashing him want him to succeed.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

ELITEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! 

Lamar is elite, and thats it

The next group is Kyler, Allen, Mahomes, Fields, Dak, Russ

Then you have better then average. Hurts is here, Rodgers, Daniel Jones, maybe 

Dak and Fields?  Better runners?   And maybe Russ 8 years ago.  Murray is arguable, as is Mahomes...but right now, Lamar and Allen are the only two I put head and shoulders above Jalen.

12 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I still believe that the almost INT was more a great play by Surtain than a bad play by Hurts.  The throw was accurate.  Surtain made a good read and a nice athletic play.

Think of the fumble.  We are calling it a big play by Taylor.  I'm sure Bronco fans are putting it all on Gordon.

It's not worth arguing about either way.  It was close to a turnover whether it was a great play by Surtain or an almost pick by Hurts.  Splitting hairs.

9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im already off the Hurts train, but he had a damn good game yesterday.  If you cant admit it, youre not being honest with yourself.

He got too giddy after that first half and almost threw 2 picks until they finally reined him back in.  But if he wants to be considered for the starting spot, those are the types of games he needs to deliver consistently.

Hes got a soft schedule the rest of the way, I have to admit hes earned the right to finish the season IF he continues trending the right direction. 

IMO hes got to play at a Pro Bowl level because hes about to face some soft teams

I agree.  If he repeats the 1st half with much consistency, we are going to win several of those games.  

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Like I said in my other post, we've lowered the bar so far for him that were saying he had a great game yesterday. 

He had a really good(not great) 1st half and an equally bad 2nd half. If thats consider GREAT or even REALLY good game this is not a train I want to be on. 

 

He had a great first half. If Watkins doesn’t drop a touchdown it basically would have been a perfect half. He deserves the credit for the first half of that game. He stayed within the pocket and made some throws. He also had one where he sidestepped the pass rush and kept his eyes down field and made a great pass. That was his most complete half of football (passer and a runner) since the KC game imo. 

the second half he didn’t get the opportunities to throw and when he did one ball was picked (on what appeared to be a defender hitting his arm) and another nearly. But after the fumble return they really didn’t have to throw cause bridgewater is bridgewater and once he is forced to just pass the broncos are in a world of trouble. slay getting the touchdown was the biggest moment in that game. The eagles offense had really not done much in the second half to that point (3 and out and int) and the broncos had a ton of momentum after the pick. 

23 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

He had one bad play in the second half, which was the incompletion that Smith had to break up. The INT was in a max protect scheme in which we somehow allowed a free rusher with 8 guys blocking 5 defenders. Is that a bad play by the QB to you? After the interception, we had a 60 yard drive that essentially ended the game. So I am really confused about the "he had a bad second half" argument. Are you saying it was bad because he had one bad throw? Did you want him to keep throwing when the only way the other team could possibly win the game was for us to throw the ball and risk stopping the clock? Did you want us to risk losing the game just so the qb could have a decent half? What outcome were you looking for?

Yes, the INT was a bad play by Hurts because it was a bad choice for him to throw into bracket coverage.  Even without a free rusher in his face that would have been a bad decision of where to go with the ball.  It was the same mistake he made on the throw where Smith had to turn into a CB to break up an INT.

Please refer to the pic below.  That Broncos DB was playing over the top and waiting.  That is him coming up from his position once the ball was released.  So even if it was a pass that wasn't partially interfered with and Hurts got full mustard on it, that DB was in a position to make a play on it either way. 

He was superb in the 1st half.  If not for the Quez drop they'd have been up 24-10 at HT and Hurts with over 200 yards and 3 TDs.  I think he got out of rhythm in the 2nd half as he was mostly just handing it off, though those 1st down QB RPO/designed runs weren't helping to get the O off to a good start.  What most of us here want to see is if he can play that way for more than just a half and do it for the majority of the games in a season.  NO has a good D so next week will be a good test to see if he has taken the next step and will continue on that path or if he regresses.

 

13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im already off the Hurts train, but he had a damn good game yesterday.  If you cant admit it, youre not being honest with yourself.

He got too giddy after that first half and almost threw 2 picks until they finally reined him back in.  But if he wants to be considered for the starting spot, those are the types of games he needs to deliver consistently.

Hes got a soft schedule the rest of the way, I have to admit hes earned the right to finish the season IF he continues trending the right direction. 

IMO hes got to play at a Pro Bowl level because hes about to face some soft teams

He had a great first half, near perfect really if it wasn't for Quez's drop. No argument there and I hope that's the Hurts we get going forward.

But 1/3, 2 yards passing with an INT, with 6 rushes for 7 yards (not including the kneel downs) is a terrible 2nd half, by any objective measure. And that's OK, in that we went ultra conservative after Big Play Slay showed up. 

It seems to me the Broncos were playing a lot of man in the first half for some reason, and then switched to mainly zone in the 2nd half. I haven't rewatched the game so that's just my from my memory. I think Hurts is not very good against zone D. 

My concern is that Hurts is ultimately Baker Mayfield.  An average QB with lots of intangibles, but, even if you can stack all the talent up around him, he never gets over the top.  Mayfield has tons of talent, FA money, and high picks around him.  Close, yes.  Fully there, no.  That is why I continue to say that if the Eagles identify someone with a higher ceiling than Hurts, they have to take a shot.

31 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Except he wasn't equally bad in the 2nd half. The interception was off his arm being hit from behind in max protection (staying in the pocket ).

So basically one bad pass, and the running game uses Hurts as an option, his ability to run outside keeps the defense from stacking up between the tackles and allows the OL to open big holes inside. So you have to give him some credit for the 60 yard drive even if he doesn't pass the ball. He's an integral part of the running game, something Minshew can't give you.

He's still learning to recognize blitzes, which of course is shocking for a QB with 14 starts under his belt.

Yes, because they are not allowed to blitz in college games...

12 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Eagles don’t seem like they think of Miles as much of a receiver threat. His receptions have been going down. 

Yeah. That bum hasn’t caught a pass in three weeks.

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I agree.  If he repeats the 1st half with much consistency, we are going to win several of those games.  

They are going to win several of those games anyway cause those teams are bad. The eagles defense has shown against lesser QB/offenses they will feast. I’d be surprised if the next 6 games they don’t go 4-2 at worse. If the saints are without kamara they are going to win that game. I say likely win the jets game (i say likely cause crazy crap like jags beating bills, Washington beating tampa, jets beating cincy and Miami beating Baltimore has happened recently). Then you just split with giants and Washington which really you could sweep one of those two. Washington won yesterday against tampa but also lost chase young for the year 

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Just because one guy does it more doesnt make him better. (not to mention he does it more when he shouldnt). 

Fields is quicker and more allusive. 

Yes, Hurts is quicker than Dak but again, I feel Dak is more allusive. 

Morally of the story, Jalen isnt an elite runner, not even close to be honest

Confusing athletic ability with running ability.

Hurts has RB vision and open field juke moves, he's not as fast as Fields, but a better runner.

Second half he didn't run well b/c he was being used as an outside runner to balance the inside run game - Howard and Scott are not going to bounce it outside very often, so the defense tends to bunch up between the tackles to stop the run - having Hurts run kept them honest, even if he didn't get a lot of yards. Forced the DE to hold the edge instead of crashing down the line and make tackles for losses. That's a dimension Sanders gives you - and why investing in a better RB in the 3rd or 4th rds might be in the books. Williams on Denver was the opposite, great at bouncing outside, but didn't have the vision to find the inside hole.

Just now, justrelax said:

Yeah. That bum hasn’t caught a pass in three weeks.

Even when he was healthy you didn’t notice that they were using Gainwell in passing situations like during two minute drives over him?

25 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hurts runs in the 2nd half:

-1 yard

-2 yards

1 yard

5 yards

3 yards on the bad snap

1 yard

Then the kneel downs.

So even as a runner in the 2nd half, he was bad. Just stop it. 

You just can’t relax and enjoy even for a minute, can you?