3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

How can you argue he isn't top 5 in the NFL right now when it comes to a QBs rushing ability?  He is in pace for what would be the 6th best rushing season in league history for a QB. 

I think he's arguing efficiency vs volume. I think he's under valuing Hurts ability as a runner, but that's where he's coming from. 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, I couldn't get why Scott was riding the bench first few weeks after reportedly having a really good camp.

He finally gets a shot with sanders going down and has done nothing but produce.

I'm not sure why the hate on the board for Scott.

Is he all pro? No, but he's a hard runner, he fights for extra yards, his lack of height gives him an advantage as he can hide behind his line and hes good in the screen game as well.

I think he's been a good lightning to Howard's thunder and they make a good 1 two punch.

Sanders this year to me hasnt shown much, his vision has been pretty bad he's been indecisive and he doesn't offer much as a receiver, going forward I'd much rather see Howard and Scott continue to get carries rather see Howard and s itt pick up 3 yards at a time than watch Sanders lose a yard or go for no gain hoping that he might break one, thats not sustainable.

 

Not to mention going out of bounds twice when we’re trying to run out the clock.

Thats nonsense about hurts. The coaches wanted Chinn. The scouts disnt want hurts. That was all lurie.

doug picking reagor is old news but also avoids blaming the analytics clowns for these missed picks and others

34 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

He played an amazing first half and protected the ball for the most part when asked to, but throwing into bracket coverage is not on him? Lol

So what do you want him to do? Take the sack?

He had Watkins going deep. That was the play design. The idea is that he can outrun the safety. His arm got hit or the pass was deflected. Either way it didn't go where it was supposed to go. In a perfect world, the rusher is picked up and Hurts has an easy TD. Or, if the safety is playing deep, he has the underneath cross to Smith. The safety can't cover both guys.

But he didn't have time. He had a free rusher, and so he had to make a decision, throw it or take a sack. He made the right decision IMO. He just got unlucky the pass was short. Your scenario is that he takes a sack. So now it's third and 20+ yards and Denver probably gets the ball back anyway.

Congrats, you picked the dumbest possible choice for him to make.  

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

again, just because someone does it more, doesnt make them better. 

Rodgers is a stretch now that he's older. But Yes, Mahomes, Allen, Kyler, Lamar are all better then him. 

Hurts, Heinicke, Jones, Fields, Allen,  are in that 5.3-5.7 per rush. 

 

Kyler is averaging a little over 3 yards a carry...

After Lamar one is really nit picking.

Lamar is a different animal than the rest.

If I were to put them in tiers it would be Lamar tier 1 

About 10 other guys including hurts in tier 2 

Then everybody else.

 

 

If you had told me early in the year that 10 games in Hurts was improving, Sirianni was adjusting, Devonta was beasting, and the players were staying healthy, I'd have been pretty happy.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Really good ability to run, not great, not elite. 

Not to mention we're arguing to see how good at QB is at running, that should be a problem in itself

 

That's a separate issue altogether, of course.

But as a runner, I think he's great, he's fast enough and has the build of an RB (squat and compact) that allows him to absorb hits. I've said it before but I really think he would have had a nice career as an RB. 

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

So what do you want him to do? Take the sack?

He had Watkins going deep. That was the play design. The idea is that he can outrun the safety. His arm got hit or the pass was deflected. Either way it didn't go where it was supposed to go. In a perfect world, the rusher is picked up and Hurts has an easy TD. Or, if the safety is playing deep, he has the underneath cross to Smith. The safety can't cover both guys.

But he didn't have time. He had a free rusher, and so he had to make a decision, throw it or take a sack. He made the right decision IMO. He just got unlucky the pass was short. Your scenario is that he takes a sack. So now it's third and 20+ yards and Denver probably gets the ball back anyway.

Congrats, you picked the dumbest possible choice for him to make.  

Yes, sack is the only other possible alternative there!  There's no way he could have thrown it away or at the feet of his checkdown (or to the checkdown) or even ran!  You're going to quite great lengths to justify throwing into bracket coverage.

I think sanders will be traded before the start of next season

 The dropped TD throw to Quez was his best throw since the Arizona game last year. Hurts had velocity plus location on that pass, and the first half yesterday was a continuation of last weeks last drive against the Chargers when he hit Smith for a TD.  
 It’s more about the process with him than the numbers, is he stepping up into the pocket when pressure comes from the edges, is he not throwing off his back foot, has he stopped seeing ghosts and is not rolling right constantly at the slightest sign of pressure.  
 Once he figures those issues out if he can, he’ll be a legit starter in the NFL, but he needs to do it for 4 games, not a half and not 1.5. 
 

 

24 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

They beat the Saints and they have a chance to finish 9-8 or 10-7.  They could also end up only winning 2 more games as anything can happen, but the way they've played the last few games and how that schedule shakes out 'on paper' then things seem more in their favour than not.

 

Eagles are playing worst teams from last year except the division games against the NFC South and AFC West (and their own division, but WTF and giants are worse teams too).  Currently, they are second in their own division, that means playing second place teams next year.  That’s the Rams instead of the 49ers and the Vikings instead of the Lions.  This isn’t a playoff worthy team when seeing in that perspective. The Eagles have beat four teams that were in last place in their divisions last year.  Yes, they get more bad teams to finish the season but we need to avoid the green colored glasses in viewing this as a winning team.  

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Yes, sack is the only other possible alternative there!  There's no way he could have thrown it away or at the feet of his checkdown (or to the checkdown) or even ran!  You're going to quite great lengths to justify throwing into bracket coverage.

Intentionally throw it over Watkins out of bounds and try again on third down.

He's slowly showing improvement by trusting his pocket. Will he still trust it when Brooks comes back or will we have to view another few weeks of him bailing early until he trusts it again?

Seems like Nick understands it's not good to rely only on Hurts arm. Curious how Lurie and Howie feel that Hurts likely wont be a 4000yd passing QB

I guess Nick will just split the reps between Sanders, Howard, and Scott. Can't take Howard or Scott off of the field but Sanders is the starter.

Smith is very special. Reagor not so much. I'd like to see them use Watkins more

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Just because you do it a lot doesnt mean your better then people. Unsure what you dont get

It's the Emitt Smith rule of thinking(top 5 over rated NFL'er of all time)

Smith has 1500 more yards in 600 more attempts of Sweetness. Telling me Emmitt is a better RB cause He has more yards then him. GTFO. lol

 

By what factor of rushing are you saying that Kyler, Allen, Mahomes, Fields, Dak and Wilson are better runners than Hurts? 

Hurts: 547 yards, 5.6 YPR & 5 rushing TDs. 

Kyler: 147 yards, 3.0 YPR & 3 rushing TDs. 

Allen: 333 yards, 5.5 YPR & 3 rushing TDs. 

Mahomes: 227 yards, 6.1 YPR & 1 rushing TD. 

Fields: 288 yards, 5.5 YPR & 2 TDs. 

Dak: 91 yards, 3.5 YPR & 1 TD. 

Wilson: 100 yards, 4.5 YPR & 1 TD. 

 

 

So none of the QBs you listed have more yards or TDs than Hurts.  But it isn't simply a case of volume either because only one QB (Mahomes) has a better YPR average than Hurts. 

And it might be worthwhile to include Jackson as well for comparison since he obviously is the best rusher of the QB's in the league. 

Jackson: 639 yards, 6.0 YPR & 2 TDs. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Just because one guy does it more doesnt make him better. (not to mention he does it more when he shouldnt). 

Fields is quicker and more allusive. 

Yes, Hurts is quicker than Dak but again, I feel Dak is more allusive. 

Morally of the story, Jalen isnt an elite runner, not even close to be honest

Not sure why I'm arguing with a guy who can't spell elusive, but I digress:

Jalen Hurts:  97 rushes for 547 yards = 5.6 avg with 5 TDs

Dak Prescott: 26 rushes for 91 yards = 3.5 avg with 1 TD

Justin Fields: 52 rushes for 288 yards = 5.5 avg with 2 TDs

Lamar Jackson: 106 rushes for 639 yards = 6.0 avg with 2 TDs

Josh Allen: 59 rushes for 322 yards = 5.5 avg with 3 TDs

 

Dak Prescott isn't even in the same stratosphere as the other 4.  Jalen leads the league in TD's and is only behind Lamar in rushes and average/rush.  You're an idiot.

16 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

How can you argue he isn't top 5 in the NFL right now when it comes to a QBs rushing ability?  He is in pace for what would be the 6th best rushing season in league history for a QB. 

In terms of pure runners I’ve got

1. Lamar Jackson

2. Kyler Murray

T3. Jalen Hurts

T3. Josh Allen

5. Russell Wilson

11 minutes ago, SB52 said:

In terms of pure runners I’ve got

1. Lamar Jackson

2. Kyler Murray

T3. Jalen Hurts

T3. Josh Allen

5. Russell Wilson

Kyler Murray: 49 rushes for 147 yds = 3.0 avg with 3 TDs

Russell Wilson: 22 rushes for 100 yds = 4.6 avg with 1 TD

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

LOL you're right man. Hurts is elite. my bad

As a runner, he is.  Numbers don't lie.  And he's more "allusive" than Dak.

17 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Thats nonsense about hurts. The coaches wanted Chinn. The scouts disnt want hurts. That was all lurie.

doug picking reagor is old news but also avoids blaming the analytics clowns for these missed picks and others

Schwartz wanted Chinn.   I think Howie favored Pederson over Schwartz and that sealed it for Schwartz and retiring. Hurts was Wentz insurance.  Wentz could not finish seasons.  They lost to the Seahawks for lack of a healthy backup. Then Wentz went a bit mental at another Foles in the building and acted like a three year old at the candy at checkout in the grocery store. I am not arguing for Howie but it was clear that Pederson was practically giddy over the Hurts pick. And, yes, Lurie probably supported Doug on that one and may have had a hand in it. So did Thorson.  

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Eagles are playing worst teams from last year except the division games against the NFC South and AFC West (and their own division, but WTF and giants are worse teams too).  Currently, they are second in their own division, that means playing second place teams next year.  That’s the Rams instead of the 49ers and the Vikings instead of the Lions.  This isn’t a playoff worthy team when seeing in that perspective. The Eagles have beat four teams that were in last place in their divisions last year.  Yes, they get more bad teams to finish the season but we need to avoid the green colored glasses in viewing this as a winning team.  

My glasses show an improving team. 

I understand the quality of opponent argument.  But they are better in November than they were in September. 

That's what this season is all about.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

My glasses show an improving team. 

I understand the quality of opponent argument.  But they are better in November than they were in September. 

That's what this season is all about.

Agree.  The defense is still pretty poor.  The Ss weren’t challenged much yesterday. 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/11/broncos-teddy-bridgewater-business-decision-darius-slay-fumble-td?fbclid=IwAR3N1glgl5yOier6Fz7mqI1wj4USbtajVQxx5sc8JMYcorvj-SJkyWqcCDg

 

This was what i was talking about earlier.  Imagine if Hurts did that?

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Schwartz wanted Chinn.   I think Howie favored Pederson over Schwartz and that sealed it for Schwartz and retiring. Hurts was Wentz insurance.  Wentz could not finish seasons.  They lost to the Seahawks for lack of a healthy backup. Then Wentz went a bit mental at another Foles in the building and acted like a three year old at the candy at checkout in the grocery store. I am not arguing for Howie but it was clear that Pederson was practically giddy over the Hurts pick. And, yes, Lurie probably supported Doug on that one and may have had a hand in it. So did Thorson.  

Thorson uggg.

What a stupid pick, all because the owner told the GM he wanted him to draft a back up QB in a draft they only had 5 picks.

But hey at least Lurie made up for it by drafting JJAW in the same draft🤔

31 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Schwartz wanted Chinn.   I think Howie favored Pederson over Schwartz and that sealed it for Schwartz and retiring. Hurts was Wentz insurance.  Wentz could not finish seasons.  They lost to the Seahawks for lack of a healthy backup. Then Wentz went a bit mental at another Foles in the building and acted like a three year old at the candy at checkout in the grocery store. I am not arguing for Howie but it was clear that Pederson was practically giddy over the Hurts pick. And, yes, Lurie probably supported Doug on that one and may have had a hand in it. So did Thorson.  

I think this illustrates how success ruined the team.

Howie did a real good job in 2016 & 2017.  Brooks, McLeod, Bradham, Wentz, Seumalo, Big V, Mills, Foles, Jeffrey, Smith, Long, Robinson, Wiz, Barnett, Darby, Jernigan, Blunt, Elliot, Ajayi, etc.  All critical factors towards a championship.

But after SB 52, the hubris and egos showed up.  Keeping the window open was a new challenge to them and they failed miserably.

I hold hope that now they are in building mode again, things will improve.

9 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Kyler Murray: 49 rushes for 147 yds = 3.0 avg with 3 TDs

Russell Wilson: 22 rushes for 100 yds = 4.6 avg with 1 TD

C’mon, man. Murray has obviously been playing hurt most of the season. He had 819 rushing yards last season.

11 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think back to some of the ridicule the FO received over the spring for signing Howard.  He looks just like he did in 2019 before the shoulder injury.

When Miles returns, I'd prefer he takes Scott's touches.  Sanders may miss a gap once in a while, but he is the only one of the three that can take one to the house.

Never got the ridicule for signing Howard.  He was a PS eligible guy... where's the negative?  I would question why they didn't try to bring in any other big back though.