Deebo Samuel and George Kittle are two absolute stud talents.  

4 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

Sorry if this was posted and I missed it. 

And as (if not more) importantly:

Using the entire field.

Good work, keep it up.

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He’s what I hoped Reagor would be 😢

Justin Jefferson is what I hoped he would be... but is wearing the wrong uniform.   Stupid Howie!

5 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

Sorry if this was posted and I missed it. 

That's an NFL distribution...still a little light over the middle, but everything else is beautiful.

I did laugh at the Rams and Stafford pulling a Stafford.  It takes a long  time to unDetroit a player, if at all. 

I resent the way Hurts plays the QB position and see it as completely backwards and against the competitive grain of the way professional football is played.  As a result, I will not be a believer in Hurts until he carries the Eagles to a SB win.  Until then, I'm looking for an upgrade at QB.  That's just my philosophy at the position.  I cannot wrap my head around even considering a QB whose weakness is all aspects of passing the football, even if he is improving.

That's my opinion.  That's my bias.

With that said, in an effort to get beyond that and see the big picture, I will say one positive about Hurts and the position.  I always said that every team in the NFL has one of 3 types of QBs: 1.  Teams with elite QB's.  2.  Teams who think they are developing future elite QBs.  3.  Teams who are looking to upgrade at QB.

I might revise that.  Tier 1: teams with Brady/Mahomes/Rodgers.  Tier 2: teams with the other big name "elite" QBs, ranked #4-10.  

I might actually argue that tier 2 is the death zone.  You've got QB's that aren't so transcendently dominant to carry a team to a title.  But they are great.  And you either traded 3 #1 picks for them, stripping your team of draft capital...or you are paying them $33m per year...or both.

You either get the generational QB (which is ideal), or you might actually want the tier 3 guy that won't cost you an arm and a leg and allows you to stack your picks and cap for the rest of the team.

 

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I resent the way Hurts plays the QB position and see it as completely backwards and against the competitive grain of the way professional football is played.  As a result, I will not be a believer in Hurts until he carries the Eagles to a SB win.  Until then, I'm looking for an upgrade at QB.  That's just my philosophy at the position.  I cannot wrap my head around even considering a QB whose weakness is all aspects of passing the football, even if he is improving.

That's my opinion.  That's my bias.

With that said, in an effort to get beyond that and see the big picture, I will say one positive about Hurts and the position.  I always said that every team in the NFL has one of 3 types of QBs: 1.  Teams with elite QB's.  2.  Teams who think they are developing future elite QBs.  3.  Teams who are looking to upgrade at QB.

I might revise that.  Tier 1: teams with Brady/Mahomes/Rodgers.  Tier 2: teams with the other big name "elite" QBs, ranked #4-10.  

I might actually argue that tier 2 is the death zone.  You've got QB's that aren't so transcendently dominant to carry a team to a title.  But they are great.  And you either traded 3 #1 picks for them, stripping your team of draft capital...or you are paying them $33m per year...or both.

You either get the generational QB (which is ideal), or you might actually want the tier 3 guy that won't cost you an arm and a leg and allows you to stack your picks and cap for the rest of the team.

Take out Brady, and elite QBs don't win that many SBs, most win one, and maybe get back once in a 15 year career. Peyton was carried to his second by a great defense.

That is, you find as many 2nd and 3rd tier QBs on the trophy, because winning a SB is a combination of a TEAM peaking and luck, as much as an elite QB.

Nor will QBs be as important this decade as last decades - football goes in cycles, as the passing game becomes more important, defenses get lighter and faster, more emphasis on DL who can pass rush and LBs that can cover. Now what kind of offense can exploit that kind of defense?

 

I cant stand people who take 45 seconds to break down a play, and we have sit and listen to them yapping away as the play is frozen.

If we're watching a breakdown on twitter, we dont need a 5 minute explanation.  Just play the f'ing video and let us watch

Baldinger does that ish.  It takes him like 3 minutes of talking before he actually hits "play".   No thanks, Im good

/Rant

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Jalen Ramsey was flipping out because he is a f-ing looney bin.  

 

They started to load the box and tried to stop it.  They just got pushed around.  And when SF needed Kittle, he stepped up.  I'm not sure about those "dump offs" you're referring to.  They ran the ball at them, hit a few big plays to Deebo and some plays over the middle to Kittle.  But the story was the physical running and LAR turnovers.  Not sure how that goes against Morris.  

 

This is what happens when you make a dream team....the opposite of "the whole is greater then the sum of it's parts"

I’m not surprised they went after Von Miller. He’s still playing at a high level. but their corner opposite Ramsey as been bad. darious Williams hasn’t played very well. Miller is a nice pass rusher and you hope his added pass rush would make up for that but he missed the titans game and this game he had 0 QB hits and 0 sacks.  

I’d also say as much as i liked the upgrade of Stafford over Goff, since they annihilated the Bucs they’ve gotten annihilated against the 3 best teams they’ve played. Stafford in those three games has thrown 4 tds and 5 ints. And he’s had 2 tds came when down 37-13 with 1:17 left against the cardinals, a touchdown down 28-9 with 31 seconds left against the titans. It’s not all his fault but he really hasn’t been very good in any of those three games. I also think they are far too reliant on cooper kupp to make that offense go. Actually think they should’ve convinced desean to stay. they needed his deep threat ability even when woods was healthy. They really don’t have that element of speed on the outside without him. That said he also likely would get hurt and miss time so there’s that. 

If we go by QBR, which includes rushing, here's Hurts' ranking the past 3 weeks.

Week 8: 1
Week 9: 4
Week 10: 7

Given all the struggles of other QBs (ex: Stafford), at what point do we just acknowledge that Hurts is a reasonable starter with a 1.4M cap hit.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

If we go by QBR, which includes rushing, here's Hurts' ranking the past 3 weeks.

Week 8: 1
Week 9: 4
Week 10: 7

Given all the struggles of other QBs (ex: Stafford), at what point do we just acknowledge that Hurts is a reasonable starter with a 1.4M cap hit.

Not to get into the whole rookie truther debate, but there is this:

*does not include statistics from week 10.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

If we go by QBR, which includes rushing, here's Hurts' ranking the past 3 weeks.

Week 8: 1
Week 9: 4
Week 10: 7

Given all the struggles of other QBs (ex: Stafford), at what point do we just acknowledge that Hurts is a reasonable starter with a 1.4M cap hit.

Question...

Foles was a reasonable QB.  And then went on to have the two of the greatest passing performances in NFL playoff history.

Do you see the potential for that kind of play in Hurts?  We win because he raises his game to meet the moment against a quality team.

7 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

Sorry if this was posted and I missed it. 

Hurts has been able to pick his spots and throw off play action, which helps to open up the field. And Smith, like many rookies, needed almost half a season to acclimate to the NFL.

Now if they just had a big WR for the underneath throws - I'll be watching Jackson the next few weeks, he could give the passing game a special dimension, though he's probably a couple years away from making an impact - this is a golden opportunity to learn on the job.

Sirianni's biggest mistake was thinking he'd make Hurts more comfortable by running a college style offense, watching college games, these spread/short pass/WR screen/RPO type schemes tend to carve up weak defenses but get exposed against good defenses - and that's what happened in the NFL.

Funny thing is Siri started out running, Atlanta with a lead, but 29 carries against the 49ers, though Hurts had 10, Sanders/Gainwell were 19/69, which won't sustain drives. Then Siri went wide open for four games, and that's when Hurts really struggled. But he was also dealing with the OL shuffle:

Dallas - Dillard, Seumalo, Kelce, Dickerson, Lane

KC - Dillard, Dickerson, Kelce, Herbig, Driscoll

Car - Dillard, Dickerson, Kelce, Driscoll, Mailata

TB - Dillard, Dickerson, Kelce, Driscoll, Mailata

LV - Mailata, Dickerson, Kelce, Driscoll, Lane - RB  18/74

 A jelling OL, a more conservative scheme and Hurts looks a lot more like a NFL QB - who'd have thought?

 

My prediction right now is the Eagles will go 4-3 in their remaining 7 games and finish at 8-9; funny thing about 4-6 teams is they don't always beat the teams you expect them to, so it could end up 7-10.  

As long as defenses allow the Eagles (or the Eagles punish defenses into) run the ball 200 yards per game and stay even or ahead, then Hurts can thrive and be successful.  The Eagles will be kind of a middle-of-the-road team -- they'll beat up on the middling and poor teams but won't be capable of keeping up with the best teams.  That's probably ahead of where most saw the team going into the season.  

What will be interesting is seeing whether Sirianni will stick with this current offensive scheme, or will he try to revert to being pass-happy at some point.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Question...

Foles was a reasonable QB.  And then went on to have the two of the greatest passing performances in NFL playoff history.

Do you see the potential for that kind of play in Hurts?  We win because he raises his game to meet the moment against a quality team.

We learned this in 2017: having a cheap QB makes it much easier to build a good roster. Once Wentz got extended, our roster got weaker.

As of today, I'm leaning towards keeping Hurts for 2022 if only to solve the cap issues moving forward. 

45 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I resent the way Hurts plays the QB position and see it as completely backwards and against the competitive grain of the way professional football is played.  As a result, I will not be a believer in Hurts until he carries the Eagles to a SB win.  Until then, I'm looking for an upgrade at QB.  That's just my philosophy at the position.  I cannot wrap my head around even considering a QB whose weakness is all aspects of passing the football, even if he is improving.

That's my opinion.  That's my bias.

With that said, in an effort to get beyond that and see the big picture, I will say one positive about Hurts and the position.  I always said that every team in the NFL has one of 3 types of QBs: 1.  Teams with elite QB's.  2.  Teams who think they are developing future elite QBs.  3.  Teams who are looking to upgrade at QB.

I might revise that.  Tier 1: teams with Brady/Mahomes/Rodgers.  Tier 2: teams with the other big name "elite" QBs, ranked #4-10.  

I might actually argue that tier 2 is the death zone.  You've got QB's that aren't so transcendently dominant to carry a team to a title.  But they are great.  And you either traded 3 #1 picks for them, stripping your team of draft capital...or you are paying them $33m per year...or both.

You either get the generational QB (which is ideal), or you might actually want the tier 3 guy that won't cost you an arm and a leg and allows you to stack your picks and cap for the rest of the team.

 

How is how he plays QB completely backwards and against the competitive grain of how football is played?  What an absurd statement.  The only way I'd describe someone as that is if they were so careless with the football that they were turning it over without a care in the world, having no situational awareness and constantly dumping it off short on 3re and longs or throwing it away. 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

This is a big game this week.  I F-ing hate the Saints.  I hate their uniforms.  I hate their fans.  I hate their smug ass Head Coach.  I even hate the mole on Drew Brees's face.  I hate everything about them.  We need a win at home.  We win and we are fully involved in the playoff discussion.  This will be the most invested in a game that I would have been up to this point.    Which is why I fully expect them to let us down.  But I am hopeful. 

 

 

I think the fans, especially some of us in here, should get some game balls for coaching the Eagles up on how to win with this offense.  I'm not talking about those who were saying that Nick's "scheme" was working in the beginning of the season, when we were handing the ball off less than 10 times a game.  I'm not talking about the guys who were touting his "scheme" because guys were running "wide open" with a bad QB who couldn't read the field.  I am talking about those who clearly saw the direction of the offense should be similar to what Baltimore does.  Run....A Lot......play action......rinse and repeat.  And get Jordan Howard on the field.  Now Boston Scott has been less Jagalishish as of late.  I will admit I was a little critical with that one.  But just the fact we have seen the offense philosophy change and yield nice results is enough to tell anyone that his "scheme" was not working.  

Agree with everything.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think the fans, especially some of us in here, should get some game balls for coaching the Eagles up on how to win with this offense.  I'm not talking about those who were saying that Nick's "scheme" was working in the beginning of the season, when we were handing the ball off less than 10 times a game.  I'm not talking about the guys who were touting his "scheme" because guys were running "wide open" with a bad QB who couldn't read the field.  I am talking about those who clearly saw the direction of the offense should be similar to what Baltimore does.  Run....A Lot......play action......rinse and repeat.  And get Jordan Howard on the field.  Now Boston Scott has been less Jagalishish as of late.  I will admit I was a little critical with that one.  But just the fact we have seen the offense philosophy change and yield nice results is enough to tell anyone that his "scheme" was not working.  

I cant even imagine being this delusional

yes, you and the other "real fans" who literally do nothing but ish on everyone, deserve credit somehow.  For what, I dont even know.  You literally said Sirianni was in over his head.

Since I made the "scheme is working" statement that youv latch on to, Ill just respond by saying that, yes, I and others could plainly see that Sirianni could in fact coach an offense.  It was clear then, and its clear now. 

And now youre crawling back to the dinner table trying to claim some credit for nothing.

Garbage post.  Delete it and try again

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I get this... I do, but it also shows you where were at QB wise. 

We dont want to throw the football,(in a passing league( we dont want to have guys wide open with our heisman  trophy winning WR, we want to run the ball 85% of the time because our QB is that limited. 

So yes, good on NS for going run heavy and realizing we need that change, sad that we're that limited. 

Baltimore runs the ball A LOT because Lamar BLOWS and if you've ever seen him in important games, it shows. I dont want that here. 

 

Anytime you have a young developing QB you should have a strong stable running game to help that QB out. The way this offense was conducted for most of the first half of the season with only 2 or 3 runs to a RB in the first half was completely counter productive to both Hurts development and the potential success of the offense. 

 

sorry if this was already posted. 

Sirianni gets his first opportunity to create his own scheme and we expect him to dumb it down for the QB?

Nah.  He needed to figure out what would work and not work.  Prove to himself and the FO that he can build an offense.

After showing dozens of successful plays ruined by the QB, he was green lighted to convert to what we are seeing. 

Why else would you switch to a run game the same week your #1 RB is out?

24 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

This is a terrible hot take. 

Look at the last 30 years. The only real Outliers are foles and Manning at the end of his career.

Russ, Brees, Brady with 6, Big Ben, Flacco who isnt elite but played ELITE that playoff. 

It's crazy after watching what Goff did, what Matty Ryan did, what Cam did in the superbowl you think you dont need an elite qb to win. 

and No, I'm not talking about regular season wins. no one cares about those. 

 

I forgot how elite Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, and Mark Rypien were.

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Sirianni gets his first opportunity to create his own scheme and we expect him to dumb it down for the QB?

Nah.  He needed to figure out what would work and not work.  Prove to himself and the FO that he can build an offense.

After showing dozens of successful plays ruined by the QB, he was green lighted to convert to what we are seeing. 

Why else would you switch to a run game the same week your #1 RB is out?

 

They switched to the running game the Raiders game but then Miles got injured the second drive and the game fell out of hand pretty quickly. 

Calling as few running plays to RBs as Sirianni was calling for much of the season was not something that would create a successful consistent offense.  The QB shouldn't be responsible for 85% of the offensive output, especially when he is a young QB with limited starting experience. 

29 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

This is a terrible hot take. 

Look at the last 30 years. The only real Outliers are foles and Manning at the end of his career.

Russ, Brees, Brady with 6, Big Ben, Flacco who isnt elite but played ELITE that playoff. 

It's crazy after watching what Goff did, what Matty Ryan did, what Cam did in the superbowl you think you dont need an elite qb to win. 

and No, I'm not talking about regular season wins. no one cares about those. 

 

Foles, Flacco, Eli twice.  I think there is an argument for just being good enough to make the playoffs and then hope to catch lightning in a bottle.

It's hard to really define the QB model with Brady winning a third of the SBs this century.