4 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If they can only win 1 game the rest of the year I hope its this week against the Saints.

Not sure about this season but it always seems the Saints don't play that well on the road.  Hoping we win 50-7.

No Brees, no Winston, no Michael Thomas .... Kamara not 100% if at all?

Surely the Saints can't let Hurts go off for 100 yards rushing again, can they?

46 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

So, y’all are trying to talk yourselves in to being ok with average QB play? 

Have you stopped beating your wife?

49 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The scheme was fine, and I saw all the all-22 analysis showing receivers running open.  The scheme had to be changed to account for the limitations of the QB.  He still has shown very little to no improvement in these areas.

 

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it

He was trusting his pocket more on Sunday finally. He also wasn't bailing all of the time

33 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don’t need an elite QB but you definitely need Jeremy McNichols and D’Onta Foreman to carry you to the title.  Good call.  

you know what’s even better about this is on the Chiefs way to their SB played the Titans in the afc title game. Ryan Tannehill was spotted a 10 point lead and then Patrick Mahomes decided I’m gonna be Patrick Mahomes and beat the Tennessee Titans as they went up 35-17. as tannehill was forced to throw and couldn’t keep up but got a nice inflated garbage time td. 

does that mean Patrick Mahomes every single time he plays at an elite level? No. What it means is if you have a lesser quarterback the margin of error is significantly less because Mahomes in his repertoire has the ability to turn it on and play at any elite level at any point in time. Which he has shown multiple times in his career being able to do that. Meanwhile we’re only gonna bring up one time he wasn’t able to do it and also forget in that game he had two touchdown passes dropped by wide receivers. With a makeshift oline 

We will see if Ryan Tannehill is able to win a Super Bowl cause they are likely going to play an elite QB along their playoff run (probably 2 if not more). 

51 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

So, y’all are trying to talk yourselves in to being ok with average QB play? 

 

50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No....who is?  

That's basically what my post was doing.  🤣

McNabb is a good comp for Hurts

2000:  25th in ANY/A (no QBR)

2001:  11th

2002:  26th

2003:  14th

2004:  8th

2006:  QBR 9th, ANY/A 2nd

2008:  QBR 20th, ANY/A 13th

2009:  QBR 16th, ANY/A 11th

2010:  QBR 25th, ANY/A 25th

McNabb was mostly a 3rd tier QB, yet he lead the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games and a SB loss.

 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

McNabb is a good comp for Hurts

2000:  25th in ANY/A (no QBR)

2001:  11th

2002:  26th

2003:  14th

2004:  8th

2006:  QBR 9th, ANY/A 2nd

2008:  QBR 20th, ANY/A 13th

2009:  QBR 16th, ANY/A 11th

2010:  QBR 25th, ANY/A 25th

McNabb was mostly a 3rd tier QB, yet he lead the Eagles to 5 NFC Championship games and a SB loss.

 

In part due to Jim Johson's defense holding opponents to 17 PPG or less on avg.

Also - The 4 losses in the NFCCG's and the SB loss, showed us, McNabb was not good enough to win championships. 

 

So even if Hurts is the new McNabb- sorry that wont cut it. 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

McNabb is a good comp for Hurts

McNabb lead the Eagles to a SB loss.

 

Thanks for confirming we need to find a QB.

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

In part due to Jim Johson's defense holding opponents to 17 PPG or less on avg.

Also - The 4 losses in the NFCCG's and the SB loss, showed us, McNabb was not good enough to win championships. 

 

So even if Hurts is the new McNabb- sorry that wont cut it. 

In fairness, mcnabb had his warts and flaws but  he had marginal WRs in 3 of those 5 nfc title games plays into this. Don’t get me wrong he also played poorly in the Bucs and Panthers playoff games. And the first half against AZ. the panthers nfc title game we lost our best weapon in westbrook just before the playoffs started. 

58 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Seeing a lot more posts about how average QBs can get to / win championships.

I don't think that's the case.  I think bad rosters never win Championships despite the QB.  The roster is an easier fix this offseason than the QB position and "fixing" the QB would likely mean investing too many resources in the position that leave the team short of the talent needed to be a contender.  

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness, mcnabb had his warts and flaws but  he had marginal WRs in 3 of those 5 nfc title games plays into this. Don’t get me wrong he also played poorly in the Bucs and Panthers playoff games. And the first half against AZ. the panthers nfc title game we lost our best weapon in westbrook just before the playoffs started. 

Don't franchise QB's overcome those things and put the team on their back ??

I'm still kind of confused and maybe I missed an explanation, but why how did Sirianni go from blatantly and purposely ignoring the run game to becoming a running offense overnight (Lions game beyond)? I thought maybe he was being told to pass but something changed hard and fast. Wondering if he ever explained it or anything.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hurts is not McNabb.  Not even close.  

True. Hurts is faster, smarter and a real leader.

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

I cant stand people who take 45 seconds to break down a play, and we have sit and listen to them yapping away as the play is frozen.

If we're watching a breakdown on twitter, we dont need a 5 minute explanation.  Just play the f'ing video and let us watch

Baldinger does that ish.  It takes him like 3 minutes of talking before he actually hits "play".   No thanks, Im good

/Rant

I take quite the opposite view. John Madden had a wonderful comment after a session with Vince Lombardi. Lombardi talked about one play - the power sweep - for eight (8) hours. Eight. My favorite line of Madden's: "I realized then that I actually knew nothing about football."

Here: https://hrdailyadvisor.blr.com/2014/03/10/learn-important-lessons-from-lombardis-eight-hour-session/

A taste of Lombardi: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vince+lombardi+talking+about+the+sweep&qpvt=vince+lombardi+talking+about+the+sweep&FORM=VDRE  It includes seven separate clips on the power sweep.

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

I'm still kind of confused and maybe I missed an explanation, but why how did Sirianni go from blatantly and purposely ignoring the run game to becoming a running offense overnight (Lions game beyond)? I thought maybe he was being told to pass but something changed hard and fast. Wondering if he ever explained it or anything.

Might have told Howie and Lurie that we can't win on Hurts arm and that he needs a run game and they gave in

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Don't franchise QB's overcome those things and put the team on their back ??

I don’t disagree. But I do think playing with Todd Pinkston and James thrash as your starting wide receivers that’s a huge disadvantage. 

Don’t get me wrong that’s why I’ve been saying that you need a great/elite quarterback. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

McNabb did not play in a passing friendly offense.  

McNabb had a cannon.

They didn't take the ball out of McNabb's hands to be successful.  They put too much on him.

Hurts is not McNabb.  Not even close.  

Those are relative rankings that balance those factors, McNabb played a conservative scheme that also reduced his turnovers.

McNabb had a cannon, so what - he couldn't anticipate worth a damn, struggled with touch, and basically had to fire it throw windows.

He had a great OL, Tra - Welbourn - Miller/Fraley - Mayberry - Runyan, a stable of RBs and a zone buster TE.

As a runner, his best year was 2001, 86 629 6, then 82 482, 63  460, 71 355. By 2004 he was no longer a threat with his legs, and after 2005, he was fairly immobile.

Hurts is a better runner, has better intangibles (McNabb was not loved by his teammates, deflected blame, and his work ethic ran hot and cold, especially working on his mechanics and film study). There is no reason Hurts, if he continues to improve, can't have a career as good as McNabb or better.

The point is simple, Rodgers couldn't make GB a better team than the Eagles over a similar stretch, because winning is about a lot more than just your QB, even though Rodgers >> McNabb as a QB. It's much easier to build a team than find an elite QB.

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness, mcnabb had his warts and flaws but  he had marginal WRs in 3 of those 5 nfc title games plays into this. Don’t get me wrong he also played poorly in the Bucs and Panthers playoff games. And the first half against AZ. the panthers nfc title game we lost our best weapon in westbrook just before the playoffs started. 

He had a coach that also did not help him by running the ball.  

9 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I'm still kind of confused and maybe I missed an explanation, but why how did Sirianni go from blatantly and purposely ignoring the run game to becoming a running offense overnight (Lions game beyond)? I thought maybe he was being told to pass but something changed hard and fast. Wondering if he ever explained it or anything.

Sirianni probably got tired of getting blasted in the media, went to Howie and suggested that he'd adjust his scheme because it was apparent Hurts throwing 35+ times per game was never going to become a winning formula.  Full marks to him for adjusting.  It should be noted Doug showed no ability to do that last season.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sirianni probably got tired of getting blasted in the media, went to Howie and suggested that he'd adjust his scheme because it was apparent Hurts throwing 35+ times per game was never going to become a winning formula.  Full marks to him for adjusting.  It should be noted Doug showed no ability to do that last season.

Or maybe he said screw it and went rogue.

33 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sirianni probably got tired of getting blasted in the media, went to Howie and suggested that he'd adjust his scheme because it was apparent Hurts throwing 35+ times per game was never going to become a winning formula.  Full marks to him for adjusting.  It should be noted Doug showed no ability to do that last season.

Agreed. Though I don’t think the number of passes was the problem.

The problem was we weren’t running it at all. And were totally predictable.

Didn’t think it would work to become a super run heavy team, but glad it did. I sure enjoy it.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'm convinced he was told to see what kind of QB Hurts is/was.....then they finally determined he wasn't "that guy" so they started to take the ball out of his hands.  Losing all of your games at home, up until now, had something to do with it.  Lowie doesn't want to see so many opposing fans at the Linc or an apathetic home crowd going down the stretch.  

Tin foil hat time again?

A simpler explanation was with the OL in disarray, he wanted to put in a college like system that let Hurts use his legs and make quick throws off the RPO. Remember, Siri admitted he had no experience with the RPO, so this was probably done in a misguided attempt to make Hurts comfortable, using a college style system. When it didn't work, Siri went with what worked in Indy, a balanced offense that runs the passing game off play action and avoids too many 3rd and long situations. This started against the Raiders before Sanders went down. It also coincides with Mailata moving to LT, Lane at RT and Dickerson getting comfortable at LG.

New coach, new QB, new offensive line, inexperienced WRs, then you trade Ertz. A little trial and error, then Siri found the right scheme that works with his personnel.

26 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I'm still kind of confused and maybe I missed an explanation, but why how did Sirianni go from blatantly and purposely ignoring the run game to becoming a running offense overnight (Lions game beyond)? I thought maybe he was being told to pass but something changed hard and fast. Wondering if he ever explained it or anything.

I think probably there was push back from a veteran o-line group to some extent.  I think Hurts is checking into runs more often as well which could also be influenced by the veteran o-line.  

29 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Don't franchise QB's overcome those things and put the team on their back ??

Not typically.  Typically the entire team has to play well to win.  

2 hours ago, RLC said:

It's objectively harder to build a good roster once you pay your franchise QB 30M.

And yet other teams somehow manage to do it