Yet another breakdown of what was probably Hurts’ best quarterback play as an Eagle. 

ESPN's first mock draft, has us making the following picks:

Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame*

The last time the Eagles drafted a defensive back in Round 1? It was 2002, when they took cornerback Lito Sheppard at No. 26. They've also never drafted a safety in the first round. They could break that streak with the 6-foot-4, 220-pound Hamilton, a do-it-all player who had three interceptions before suffering a knee injury last month. Hamilton would be a huge boost to a Philadelphia secondary that is allowing quarterbacks to complete 74% of their passes this season, which ranks last in the league.

Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida*

After taking safety Kyle Hamilton with their first Round 1 pick, the Eagles could continue to remake their secondary here. Thanks to extra picks from the Dolphins and 49ers, they have a chance to take the top safety and corner in this class. Elam, who has six career interceptions, would give Philadelphia an option to pair alongside Darius Slay in 2022.

Tyler Linderbaum, IOL, Iowa*

With one more first-round pick in this draft -- this selection is based on Carson Wentz playing 75% of the Colts' offensive snaps, and he's at 99.3% -- the Eagles could fortify the offensive line. Linderbaum could be the heir apparent to oft-injured guard Brandon Brooks or veteran center Jason Kelce. They used a second-round pick in April on Landon Dickerson, who also has experience at center, but they still need a young influx of depth in the interior offensive line.

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Chase’s dad said Detroit and Philly tried to move up for Chase but Atlanta wasn’t having it. 

  

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Chase’s dad said Detroit and Philly tried to move up for Chase but Atlanta wasn’t having it. 

Wasn't Howie trying to move up for Zach Wilson?

That's what all the insiders were saying back then.

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

ESPN's first mock draft, has us making the following picks:

Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame*

The last time the Eagles drafted a defensive back in Round 1? It was 2002, when they took cornerback Lito Sheppard at No. 26. They've also never drafted a safety in the first round. They could break that streak with the 6-foot-4, 220-pound Hamilton, a do-it-all player who had three interceptions before suffering a knee injury last month. Hamilton would be a huge boost to a Philadelphia secondary that is allowing quarterbacks to complete 74% of their passes this season, which ranks last in the league.

Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida*

After taking safety Kyle Hamilton with their first Round 1 pick, the Eagles could continue to remake their secondary here. Thanks to extra picks from the Dolphins and 49ers, they have a chance to take the top safety and corner in this class. Elam, who has six career interceptions, would give Philadelphia an option to pair alongside Darius Slay in 2022.

Tyler Linderbaum, IOL, Iowa*

With one more first-round pick in this draft -- this selection is based on Carson Wentz playing 75% of the Colts' offensive snaps, and he's at 99.3% -- the Eagles could fortify the offensive line. Linderbaum could be the heir apparent to oft-injured guard Brandon Brooks or veteran center Jason Kelce. They used a second-round pick in April on Landon Dickerson, who also has experience at center, but they still need a young influx of depth in the interior offensive line.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/32645728/nfl-mock-draft-2022-jordan-reid-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-including-kayvon-thibodeaux-matt-corral-kenny-pickett

Would absolutely love those three picks. 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Wilson is already showing signs of decay, and I'm not sure how effective he'd be in a conventional offense where he can't run around, buy time and throw deep - which is how he pads his QB rating (he may blame his high sack numbers on his OL, but his style is partially responsible). And as he ages, he's not going to be as evasive buying time. He was a better QB his first five years in the league.

The advantage of a pocket QB as they age is "mobility, what mobility," as long as they have adequate arm strength, experience will compensate for some decline in arm strength. Wilson's problem in the pocket - he's short.

All these rumors about the Eagles trading for a QB, is there any actual evidence? Eagles were interested in Wilson, which means they made a phone call, which they probably did for a dozen potential trade ups/downs before the draft. Every team wants a top QB, they also want a top WR, DE, etc etc.

Watching Stafford in LA, he's the same QB he was in Detroit with better talent, but he didn't magically transform into an elite QB.

The trick with elder QBs, Peyton in Denver, Brady in TB, is surround them with lots of talent and ask them to run the team, not carry the team.

You’re preaching to the choir here bud. I think it would be a mistake to go all in on Wilson. It will not make this team better. The reason why Wilson’s name keeps popping up because it’s well documented that Howie views him as the one that got away (even though he has the same number of rings as Nick Foles) and respected reporters  just keep linking the Eagles to Wilson. When it comes down to it the Eagles always seem to be the team that gets mentioned in this stuff. Howie apparently does make his rounds with the calls and the Eagles themselves haven’t fully embraced Jalen Hurts. Frankly the "quarterback factory” doesn’t seem like it’s satisfied just yet. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It's PFT- Florio.  He's a moron.  Glad to see they have moved on from being obsessed over Aaron Rodgers for now.  But expansion of any kind, is a moronic idea.  

There was a story here (Toronto) last week that they're looking to expand to 36 teams, and looking at Toronto/London and a few other places as the targets. My guess is before Goodell leaves, he'll expand it as his 'legacy'. I agree, there isn't enough talent now to dilute to another 4 teams. 

1 hour ago, Parrot Head said:

It’s pretty funny how much my posts seem to trigger you....almost like you’re a snowflake or something.

You asked a question that has no viable answer. Yes and no answers are equally damning. I responded with the classic version of the unanswerable question. It has absolutely nothing to do with your wife. P.S. Have I really been triggered by your posts? I have no recollection of that.

A "loaded question", like a loaded gun, is a dangerous thing. A loaded question is a question with a false or questionable presupposition, and it is "loaded" with that presumption. The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.

Since this example is a yes/no question, there are only the following two direct answers:

1. "Yes, I have stopped beating my wife", which entails "I was beating my wife."
2. "No, I haven't stopped beating my wife", which entails "I am still beating my wife."

Thus, either direct answer entails that you have beaten your wife, which is, therefore, a presupposition of the question. So, a loaded question is one which you cannot answer directly without implying a falsehood or a statement that you deny. For this reason, the proper response to such a question is not to answer it directly, but to either refuse to answer or to reject the question.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

1-2 maybe.  4 or more?  No chance.  1-2 is dumb.  

 

Try getting people in some of the current cities to give a F about pro football.  Non-fanatical NFL cities like:

Tampa when they're not good.

Miami

Atlanta

Jacksonville

LA- soon enough

SF when they're not good

Washington (just the franchise alone needs to be reset)

 

Maximizing on the popularity of the bottom tier franchises like the ones I have listed and getting their fans to buy in, even when the team isn't good, should be a bigger priority then creating more of those teams.  

 

Incorporating gambling in those stadiums and some sort of fantasy football experience, league-wide, would bring more people out.  Make the games an event rather than just a game.  Market to the people in the current cities. 

Agree totally. Except expanding by 1-2 teams would throw off the divisions. So I think it has to be in increments of 4....except, if you do 4 in the NFC, you'd need to do 4 in the AFC. It's just a dumb, dumb idea all around. 

Is Carolina a fanatical city? 

In the (unlikely) event that 40 teams do happen, which expansion city you think joins the NFCE?

Toronto? London? Montreal?

12 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

In the (unlikely) event that 40 teams do happen, which expansion city you think joins the NFCE?

Toronto? London? Montreal?

Munich/Frankfurt/Cologne would be a good shout too.

But I can't see them going to 40 anyway. Would be stupid and just water down the ratings

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Agree totally. Except expanding by 1-2 teams would throw off the divisions. So I think it has to be in increments of 4....except, if you do 4 in the NFC, you'd need to do 4 in the AFC. It's just a dumb, dumb idea all around. 

Is Carolina a fanatical city? 

I think one of the reasons people believe 2 more teams will be added is because of the lawsuit by city of St. Louis for how they handled the relocation of the rams. Kroneke offered $100 million to settle it but there’s a strong case against the nfl that might lead to money in the billions. So giving St. Louis a team would be part of some settlement between the nfl and the city. 

18 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

In the (unlikely) event that 40 teams do happen, which expansion city you think joins the NFCE?

Toronto? London? Montreal?

That makes too much sense geographically. Why not Monterey or Mexico City?

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

That makes too much sense geographically. Why not Monterey or Mexico City?

Too central still. Try Honolulu. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I have a group of about 6 guys I play golf with.  Not always all at once, but a decent rotation.  None of us is from NC.  Probably half of the members at my club are transplants.  

Speaking of golf, I was given a $100 gift card to a golf store here, but can't figure out what to use it on. Got tons of balls, clothes, all the clubs I need....any suggestions? 

16 hours ago, vikas83 said:

The point is we don't know Sirianni and Gannon are crap after only 10 games. If we definitively decided on AR after 10 games, he'd have been fired.

No, you are missing the point. 1st, I'm on your side. But you made a crap argument and you should just own up to it. Instead you're arguing for the sake of... little Miss can't be wrong. The fact is we do know what Sirianni and Gannon are right now even if we don't know what they'll be next season and beyond.

2nd, 5s first full season was his 2nd season with AR as it was ARs 2nd season as head coach. Sirianni, as I know you are aware, is a first year HC and Gannon is a first year DC. 

To compare their records (the QBs) at this point in their careers respectively is simply flawed.

McNabb was the more talented QB and I think time will prove him to be the better one as well. It's just really hard at this juncture to make an apples to apples comparison of their careers.

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

40 teams would be awful. 

 

 

 

Would be interesting to see Philadelphia get a second team. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Shoes......clothes are over-priced.  Shoes are as well....but more important.  

 

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Do you have a range finder? obviously would need to shell at some cash with the gift cert but I love mine/helped me a ton. 

Also new cleats. Accidentally needed to buy 3 cleats in about 3 years and I can tell you my back/legs feel better getting new ones more often

Got shoes, have 3 pairs of 'em. Have a range finder too. I do need new gloves, but still, feels like a waste of a gift card.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

no expiration date i'd save it for a rainy day. You know like when you lose your 6 iron out of no where

Lol I think every group has that one guy who is always losing clubs. I've only ever lost my SW once, but I have a putter cover that I lay at the edge of the green with whatever wedge I took. Never again! 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

40 teams would be awful. 

 

I think you would have to have 2 or more international teams.  From a per capita basis in terms of population of the US vs. teams, the ratio in 1994 was about 8,000,000 people to 1 team.  40 teams would be 320,000,000. The population of the US is now 330,000,000.  However, youth football participation has been on the decline in the US. The pool of available talent hasn't changed in the US.  There has been an effort to grow International talent.  I think that's ultimately the path to growth for the League.  

In order to expand, the NFL should force integrate women into the teams. Step 1 will be protecting the QB from most hits.

 

Gannon, Johnson and Steichen make list of others to watch in the coming years. 

Sirianni made his list of potential head coaches the previous two years, and turned down an opportunity to interview with the Browns to focus on the playoffs. 

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

You asked a question that has no viable answer. Yes and no answers are equally damning. I responded with the classic version of the unanswerable question. It has absolutely nothing to do with your wife. P.S. Have I really been triggered by your posts? I have no recollection of that.

A "loaded question", like a loaded gun, is a dangerous thing. A loaded question is a question with a false or questionable presupposition, and it is "loaded" with that presumption. The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.

Since this example is a yes/no question, there are only the following two direct answers:

1. "Yes, I have stopped beating my wife", which entails "I was beating my wife."
2. "No, I haven't stopped beating my wife", which entails "I am still beating my wife."

Thus, either direct answer entails that you have beaten your wife, which is, therefore, a presupposition of the question. So, a loaded question is one which you cannot answer directly without implying a falsehood or a statement that you deny. For this reason, the proper response to such a question is not to answer it directly, but to either refuse to answer or to reject the question.

No, I didn’t.

There were several posters having a conversation sharing their opinions on the best way for the Eagles to build from here. A lot of them were opining that they believe NFL teams can compete for championships with average QB play. 

Many of those same guys replied to my post with viable answers explaining WHY they believe this is the best way for the Eagles to build (invest resources to other positions on the roster instead of QB).

There were plenty of viable answers to the question.

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Just so I am caught up, we now have someone claiming the following:

- Hurts is basically the same as McNabb. Sure, McNabb was the MVP runner-up in his 1st full year as a starter, and until recently people have questioned whether Hurts should be benched for a guy we acquired at the end of training camp. Yeah…similar career trajectory
- Bonus: McNabb was never better than 10-15 in the league as a QB. I guess the 9 better QBs from 2000-2004 were Brady, Manning, um..there’s definitely 7 more

- Russell Wilson isn’t an elite QB despite, you know, likely being an all-time great

- Patrick Mahomes isn’t elite. Seriously

This place never disappoints. I can’t wait until our resident expert tells me that Jerry Rice wasn’t an elite WR. 

Isn’t Jordan Mathews following the same career trajectory as Jerry?

21 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

No, I didn’t.

There were several posters having a conversation sharing their opinions on the best way for the Eagles to build from here. A lot of them were opining that they believe NFL teams can compete for championships with average QB play. 

Many of those same guys replied to my post with viable answers explaining WHY they believe this is the best way for the Eagles to build (invest resources to other positions on the roster instead of QB).

There were plenty of viable answers to the question.

Your question was: "So, y’all are trying to talk yourselves in to being ok with average QB play?"

Yes or no answers are equally unsatisfactory. That's all I was saying. If the question was: "Are you satisfied with average QB play," my answer would be No. If the question was: "Should the eagles bundle their high picks t get a franchise QB?" my answer would be No.

44 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Munich/Frankfurt/Cologne would be a good shout too.

But I can't see them going to 40 anyway. Would be stupid and just water down the ratings

I think possibly it would but if you look at other sports 40 teams doesn't seem unreasonable.  I think the problem is putting bad teams in places without a good fanbase.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

Check.....next on the agenda?

Leave my grandma out of it.