4 hours ago, austinfan said:

Just win, baby.

The "just win” cliche for accepting flaws doesn’t apply when you are under .500.  

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The "just win” cliche for accepting flaws doesn’t apply when you are under .500.  

The question is what that means, "he got flaws".

Like, he ain't perfect? Sure, like every player, every human. 

If you say he is flawed and a bad QB in comparison to all the other NFL QBs you are just flat out wrong though. Do compare him with your personal top 10 of QBs in the league and he does look like a top QB. With flaws, but that's probably a good thing. A top QB with room to grow.

2 hours ago, Infam said:

First of, this they beat up bad teams thing is silly. That’s not how it works in the NFL. You’re acting like the better team wins all the time and it’s not even close.

Never said that. In a given week though, the better teams win more consistently than those that aren't so good. Obviously this isn't always the case, no one said otherwise. Remember just 2 years ago when we beat up on a terrible schedule to get into the playoffs and people (probably you) were fooled into thinking the team turned a corner?

The biggest flaw in your "logic”?

You assume teams are what they are in week one and then stay the same.

Never said that.

But that’s not even remotely true. We have progressed as a team!

We have, but again, against bottom feeder teams with bottom feeder QBs. Here's a hint, so have some other teams.

Tell you what: If we’d play the teams we lost to early now, those games would look very different. We have young rookie coaches with a QB that almost was a rookie. These things need some time. They just do.

They may look very different. It doesn't mean that it would be for the better or that we would win. These things do certainly take time, which is why it's asinine when someone says he needs to improve as a passer or become more consistent and people accuse you of hating his guts and being racist.

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9 hours ago, austinfan said:

I don't think anyone who is knowledgeable is fooled by this team, it's average or so, but last year they were 4-11-1 on merit, and this year they've lost both starting OGs and Graham, so it's not like they're being unusually healthy. So there has been solid improvement, both by players and the young coaches, which is cause for optimism.

People have to stop looking at Hurts as a traditional passing QB, he's orchestrating the best run game in the NFL, which just ran roughshod over the best run defense in the NFL. Sure, the OL deserves a lot of credit, but Hurts adds a dimension which stresses a defense. And he's a good enough passer who should improve, that is, he can make enough plays with his arm and doesn't make the bad plays that most young QBs do. No one's won a SB with a running QB b/c there's only been a handful of running QBs the last four decades - but McNabb his first few years was a running QB and he got to 3 NFC Championship games that way, and if they don't have a couple injuries, might have gotten to a SB before 2004.

There are few QBs who are both good enough passers to be credible, and good enough runners to threaten a defense. And many of them weren't durable to last.

Has Hurts been seriously dinged yet this year? He rarely is hit, either as a runner or in the pocket, he just has a feel for avoiding contact, and when he is hit, he's compact and tremendously strong, it's like tackling a power back - but he doesn't take the punishment of a power back like Howard, running inside 20 times a game.

Came in to check and see if the steady progression Sirianni, Hurts, and the team are making (despite a talent gap on D) has changed the tone in here much... after reading numerous pages, this is one of the few sensible, reasonable posts I've come across...  will quit while I'm ahead...

30 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

this 8 man box, does it have magic properties, allowing it to beat 10 blockers and 1 runner?   I'm of the opinion that people talk as if these 8 man boxes have some magic property, which automatically make rushing impossible and passing necessary, but easy.    You don't need any wide receivers at all or to throw at all, really.    If you do like throwing,  you don't need short, quick, fast WRs who require superior speed and quickness and route running ability to get open, a requirement for catching the ball.  You can throw short passes to tall and heavy people aren't going to run for 80 yard tds but win size matchups.   They don't have many dbs who can cover Tyree Jackson or Mailata. 

Most teams have seemed to enter into some sort of agreement.  The offense agrees that they'll put players on the field that they're physically able to defend.    It would be pretty easy to figure out what to do if half of their defense is 5'11 200 pound dbs.   You can pound them into the ground with vastly superior size.   Usually that means running,  but it can work with passing as well. 

As an aside the Eagles offense could score enough points in the playoffs to win games.   I mentioned the versatile weapons the Eagles have and haven't done a whole lot with.  Tyree Jackson and Mailata.  Tyree Jackson is typically doing the one thing that he's never done probably before this year,  which is blocking.  He's always been a QB.  So,  he's probably only going to get better at that.  Throwing and running is what he did all through high school and college.   Route running is new,  but he understands it from a QB perspective.  QBs who take mostly shotgun snaps are catching the ball more than anyone else on the field, they have to have good hands.  Tyree Jackson can run catch block and throw,  he's very tall, very fast, with a massive arm.   Being 6'7 and only 249 pounds probably isn't the best pound per inch for a TE for run blocking.  His TE pass blocking would likely be ok,  a rangy LT type, and WR run blocking,  he'd be better than a WR at that.  But I'd have to think that if you want the top of the line run blocking from the TE position,  that's what you use a 6th OL for. 

Like Mailata.    I've heard the Mailata must stay LT at all times argument.  And him next to Landon seems to be working very well, especially in the run game.  And maybe you get your best run blocking punch out of Mailata if he's LT.  Maybe.   But I can't help but think that there's a fairly decent chance that "wow, I guess they can't stop him" happens if they have Mailata do the rugby stuff on occasion.  Like,  the playoffs,  when it's needed. 

So, in the playoffs,  everything normal,  are the Eagles winning, scoring enough points?  continue as normal.  If no,  the Eagles have 2 advanced, versatile weapons to use.  Mailata + Tyree Jackson, speed option.  Mailata, perhaps somewhat easy to slow, perhaps quite difficult to stop forward progress.  The other team is probably going to need a number of players to stop him.   6'8 Mailata laterals to 6'7 Jackson.  Everyone is trying to tackle Mailata.  Do these need to be plays that you repeat over and over again until they figure out a way to stop them?   No.  you just need to score more points than the other team every single game.

I watched all the Ravens playoff games with Lamar.  Typically what has been happening is that the Ravens would run a ton in the regular season, almost never lose, then get to the playoffs,  Lamar generally seemed a little bit jittery, and the Ravens would typically switch to a passing offense.  And they've won 1 playoff game and lost 3.    I would always suggest - add new run wrinkle.   Something new that they haven't prepared for.  But they never did that.    In the only playoff win,  Lamar ran for a 49 or 50 yard TD.    At this pace,  Jalen is going to have one of the all time high rushing yardage seasons for a QB.   Lamar was over 1200,   Vick was 1039.   Hurts is on pace for 955.   The Eagles can put a lot of potent running weapons on the field at the same time.  With these never before seen superweapons, the Eagles can win playoff games if they can get there.  If average Americans remember the Eagles Super Bowl win,   it's Philly Special that they remember. 

 

Is this the worst take the board has ever seen? Genuinely asking.

Me ? Choosing to be optimistic and why not ? Hurts, Siri and even Gannon look much improved, just got to keep going. I want all to be successful even Howie. Not going to bite my nose off to spite my face. Hurts does have some faults and idiosyncrasies to work on like his pocket presence and throwing from his left. He needs tp play within himself but needs to make himself bigger. Hurts definitely taking major steps from where he started so by the end of next season the jury will be in plus good for the cap

Big big shout out to Mailata yesterday. Usually OL play goes unnoticed and usually that's a good sign. If a LT isn't being talked about then it's because they've handled business. But he was getting noticed and for good reason. He was outstanding and he's really now getting that nasty streak in him. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Big big shout out to Mailata yesterday. Usually OL play goes unnoticed and usually that's a good sign. If a LT isn't being talked about then it's because they've handled business. But he was getting noticed and for good reason. He was outstanding and he's really now getting that nasty streak in him. 

Those were the two gripes people had with Mailata: Hasn't played much football and might be too nice.

Way it looks right now, he's a star player.

 

9 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

They have to play to win. As a fan it's an experience mentality. Experience of watching Cooks go just ahead of them and they end up with Smith or Reager instead of Lamb. Jones instead of Dalvin Cook the list goes on...The season ends quickly and on draft day you aren't sitting there saying gosh I'm glad they won that extra meaningless game watching good players go just ahead of them for the first 3-4 rounds.

Every year unless you have the 1st pick you’re gonna miss out on a good player. The problem isn’t missing those players. It’s the players we decide to pick while other good players are still on the board.

The whole point is the get to the playoffs. After that it’s one game at a time. To actively not want to do that over draft picks is just garbage as a fan. 

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Next Gen stat of the game: Miles Sanders had 13 rushes for 85 yards on runs to the left (6.5 avg).

Run behind the Fridge and Freezer combo, and let the heads roll.

Jalen Hurts isn't a good enough passer to win a SB today.

The question is whether he can improve. He's already gotten better at this from year 1 to year 2. He's improved during the season. Give him year 3.

And if he fails, the 2023 QB draft class looks very promising (Stroud, Young, Jurkovec).

I hate to rain on everybody's parade, and I am not saying that there has not been some improvement the last few weeks, but, that improvement is more his deficiencies being hidden by running a college style game plan, with a 70:30 run pass ratio.   I would rather my QB be a more efficient, and dynamic runner, while also making NFL caliber throws to all parts of the field, while completing 73% of his passes.

34 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Remember when there were some in here who were saying that Singleton was playing "solid” and potentially a pro bowler because he had a lot of tackles?   Well, since he’s been replaced as a starter, the LB group has played better.  Weird.  

I remember after looking like he was coming on late last season, and a really nice pre-season a lot of people were hoping he might be a legit starter. Once the season started, I dont think there was anyone on his side. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Jalen Hurts isn't a good enough passer to win a SB today.

The question is whether he can improve. He's already gotten better at this from year 1 to year 2. He's improved during the season. Give him year 3.

And if he fails, the 2023 QB draft class looks very promising (Stroud, Young, Jurkovec).

Yup, give Hurts 2022, then go all in for Stroud barring drastic improvement.

Gonna need to move some draft capital into 2023.

In the meantime, enjoy this O-Line and running game wreck defenses.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I remember after looking like he was coming on late last season, and a really nice pre-season a lot of people were hoping he might be a legit starter. Once the season started, I dont think there was anyone on his side. 

Oh there was.  I believe bacarty said he was a pro bowler because he had so many tackles.

1 hour ago, Infam said:

The question is what that means, "he got flaws".

Like, he ain't perfect? Sure, like every player, every human. 

If you say he is flawed and a bad QB in comparison to all the other NFL QBs you are just flat out wrong though. Do compare him with your personal top 10 of QBs in the league and he does look like a top QB. With flaws, but that's probably a good thing. A top QB with room to grow.

A top qb?  Seriously?

1 hour ago, Infam said:

The question is what that means, "he got flaws".

Like, he ain't perfect? Sure, like every player, every human. 

If you say he is flawed and a bad QB in comparison to all the other NFL QBs you are just flat out wrong though. Do compare him with your personal top 10 of QBs in the league and he does look like a top QB. With flaws, but that's probably a good thing. A top QB with room to grow.

13/24, 147 yards, 0 passing TDs…yeah, he’s right up there with the best of ‘em and top 10 for sure. 
One game’s worth of stats doesn’t mean much really but I just don’t see how you can support your argument even beyond stats. 
At best, Hurts is an adequate game manager. For now, and maybe even next season I’m fine with that.  Build the rest of the team first seems like a fine plan. But I don’t think you are seeing what you think you are seeing. 
Yes, he looks better and the game feels better these last few weeks but there are many other contributing factors making it so.   Not Jalen actually becoming a top 10 QB. 

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Yup, give Hurts 2022, then go all in for Stroud barring drastic improvement.

Gonna need to move some draft capital into 2023.

In the meantime, enjoy this O-Line and running game wreck defenses.

We must use one of our firsts to trade down and acquire more 2023 picks. It's the draft; someone will want to trade up. Hoping it's a team like NO/Pitt wanting a QB. 

This is 90s Cowboys O-Line level of dominance.

LOL @ Dickerson pancaking Kelce.

Mailata showing his dancing bear routine in pass pro

"The Mailata moving company" LMAO

I love it.

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I hate to rain on everybody's parade, and I am not saying that there has not been some improvement the last few weeks, but, that improvement is more his deficiencies being hidden by running a college style game plan, with a 70:30 run pass ratio.   I would rather my QB be a more efficient, and dynamic runner, while also making NFL caliber throws to all parts of the field, while completing 73% of his passes.

Wouldn't everyone?

O-Line getting a lot of love, and rightfully so, but Goedert also putting in work!

5 hours ago, Swoop said:

Siemien and the Saints without Kamara and either tackle is as daunting as Josh Allen and the Bills.

He's averaging 12 completions a game for the last month, but is fine as is and doesn't need to become more consistent or improve his passing.

At least, that's what I'm told.

People will flock to defend him saying they are 3-1 in that span. With the vaunted QB lineup of Goff, Bridgewater and Siemien being those 3 wins.

"Butbutbut, he doesn't pass against those guys! They don't play defence!" 

Obviously, but what they ignore is that those guys can't operate an offense efficiently to even make it a game. The one guy that could was Herbert and wouldn't you know it? We lost that game.

This team has, in large, gotten their collective asses handed to them by good QBs. I don't have to post the stats, we all know this. The run game has been great, but if anyone doesn't realize this is fools gold, they're kidding themselves. 

Will certainly be interesting to see what happens if we can continue to beat these basement dwellers and play in a playoff game.

I think most of us know what would happen.

Aren't you a ray of sunshine?

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

We must use one of our firsts to trade down and acquire more 2023 picks. It's the draft; someone will want to trade up. Hoping it's a team like NO/Pitt wanting a QB. 

Yup, need to pick up at least one extra 1st for 2023.

Pickett/Corall will convince a team or two to plunge.