2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

If Jalen Hurts is the guy they want to roll with, they might as well trade DeVonta Smith because he will be wasted here and never reach the elite potential he has.  There's absolutely no reason he should be averaging 60 yards per game.  

Quez Watkins is a deep threat that teams drool over.  He showed that with the 91 yarder against SF.  Where has that gone?  He's averaging 2 catches per game and hasn't had 50 yards in any game besides the SF game.  We should be counting his 40-50 yard plays rather than games he has 40-50 yards total.

Yes, the running game is on another level right now but I don't want the QB to average 11 carries per game.  It's just not sustainable in the NFL and it does not make up for the fact that Jalen Hurts is holding the passing game back.  When your QB is holding the passing game back, that isn't a good thing. 

 

Just now, bpac55 said:

If Jalen Hurts is the guy they want to roll with, they might as well trade DeVonta Smith because he will be wasted here and never reach the elite potential he has.  There's absolutely no reason he should be averaging 60 yards per game.  

Quez Watkins is a deep threat that teams drool over.  He showed that with the 91 yarder against SF.  Where has that gone?  He's averaging 2 catches per game and hasn't had 50 yards in any game besides the SF game.  We should be counting his 40-50 yard plays rather than games he has 40-50 yards total.

Yes, the running game is on another level right now but I don't want the QB to average 11 carries per game.  It's just not sustainable in the NFL and it does not make up for the fact that Jalen Hurts is holding the passing game back.  When your QB is holding the passing game back, that isn't a good thing. 

 

Running game is humming because of Hurts , too

and he also cleans up some bad pass blocking when it happens . That said I’m not saying he is the answer , I just think you need to let him finish  the year , before running him out of town . Honestly I’m not a fan of a running QB  , so hopefully as the year goes in , they stop calling runs for the QB , only way he will learn to play the position… otherwise you end up with Lamar Jackson light 

In the Don't Look Now But...category:

We have a couple of LBs I really like - Taylor and Edwards. Taylor was terrific the last couple of games before getting hurt, and Edwards has just gotten better and  better. He was the best player on the field yesterday, aside perhaps from Slay. His play recognition is good. He's tough. He can run. He can stack and shed. Those two guys have really helped closing those yawning gaps behind the LBs we saw the first two month of the season. Where Singleton was always late getting to the hole and filling,  Edwards is right there. Gannon is definitely asking Cox to tie up two guys inside and Edwards has been benefitting from the protection. They're working it out.

Assuming Taylor is healthy, he's a perfect complement to Edwards. He's really fast - Willie T fast - and he's finally learned the position. There was a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth around here for a couple of years but now we see why Howie (yes, Howie) drafted him.

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Running game is humming because of Hurts , too

and he also cleans up some bad pass blocking when it happens . That said I’m not saying he is the answer , I just think you need to let him finish  the year , before running him out of town . Honestly I’m not a fan of a running QB  , so hopefully as the year goes in , they stop calling runs for the QB , only way he will learn to play the position… otherwise you end up with Lamar Jackson light 

Yes.

That RPO to JJAW was a perfect call, perfectly executed. NO was just so worried by Hurts. It's worth looking at again and again. Three Saints are paralyzed by Hurts on the play.

Hey I am just here to celebrate the fact that JJAW made a positive play as an actual recieving option.  He caught the ball, and advanced it, and I believe he picked up a first down.

If he was George Castanza, he would retire now. 

 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Running game is humming because of Hurts , too

and he also cleans up some bad pass blocking when it happens . That said I’m not saying he is the answer , I just think you need to let him finish  the year , before running him out of town . Honestly I’m not a fan of a running QB  , so hopefully as the year goes in , they stop calling runs for the QB , only way he will learn to play the position… otherwise you end up with Lamar Jackson light 

Funny thing is, I LOVE running QB.  However, the running QB we've had all could throw the ball and DID throw the ball.  Randall has the cannon, Donovan was a good all-around QB, Vick had the best arm I've ever seen.  All of those QBs knew how to get the ball down field.  

Can you imagine TO on this team?  He'd be throwing a fit because Hurts missed him being wide open.  

Again, the running game is humming because of him.  He's the quarterback.  His number one job is to be a passer.  He isn't.  Since the Raiders game, when the Eagles changed their tune and started running the ball Hurts has thrown for:

103 yards on 9 completions

162 yards on 11 completions

178 yards on13 completions

147 yards on 13 completions

Those are numbers you want your QB hitting by halftime, not entire games.  Nearly half his games he's under 60% completion.  Hurts is a great running quarterback.  He is not a good passer.

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Assuming Taylor is healthy, he's a perfect complement to Edwards. He's really fast - Willie T fast - and he's finally learned the position. There was a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth around here for a couple of years but now we see why Howie (yes, Howie) drafted him.

We need to pump the brakes on Taylor.  He's 100% improving and that's great.  The best thing about Taylor right now is he took Singleton off the field.  The bad thing about Taylor is can he stay healthy for 2 weeks straight?  Has he yet?  

In a perfect world, I still think Edwards and Taylor are backup level players although Edwards had a great game yesterday.  

29 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

Naw see I dont agree with this. 

I am willing to giive Hurts the next 6 games to keep improving, and then during the offseason, after the next 6 games they decide whether or not he can continue to improve or not.

See I think there is a set ceiling on Hurts, and that that ceiling will be far lower than Rodgers, Wilson or even Watson.  If we are able to win with Hurts, think how much better we would be with someone who is THAT much better than Hurts?

I would like to win more SB's and you dont do that settling at the QB position. The majority of SB's are won by elite QB's. I dont believe Hurts can be an elite QB, but am willing to give him the rest of this year to show signs, he can be.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If Jalen Hurts is the guy they want to roll with, they might as well trade DeVonta Smith because he will be wasted here and never reach the elite potential he has.  There's absolutely no reason he should be averaging 60 yards per game.  

Quez Watkins is a deep threat that teams drool over.  He showed that with the 91 yarder against SF.  Where has that gone?  He's averaging 2 catches per game and hasn't had 50 yards in any game besides the SF game.  We should be counting his 40-50 yard plays rather than games he has 40-50 yards total.

Yes, the running game is on another level right now but I don't want the QB to average 11 carries per game.  It's just not sustainable in the NFL and it does not make up for the fact that Jalen Hurts is holding the passing game back.  When your QB is holding the passing game back, that isn't a good thing. 

 

Well, Hurts hit Quez in the hands at the end of the first half against Denver. Should have put the game away right there, but no.

We ran the ball 50 times. 50! You do that, there aren't a lot of receptions to go around. However, the mere fact of Devonte being out there is a big part of making the running game go. Safety support, you know. And he had six catches and is on track for 1000 yards as a rookie, so not too bad.

But go ahead and trade him if you want.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Funny thing is, I LOVE running QB.  However, the running QB we've had all could throw the ball and DID throw the ball.  Randall has the cannon, Donovan was a good all-around QB, Vick had the best arm I've ever seen.  All of those QBs knew how to get the ball down field.  

Can you imagine TO on this team?  He'd be throwing a fit because Hurts missed him being wide open.  

Again, the running game is humming because of him.  He's the quarterback.  His number one job is to be a passer.  He isn't.  Since the Raiders game, when the Eagles changed their tune and started running the ball Hurts has thrown for:

103 yards on 9 completions

162 yards on 11 completions

178 yards on13 completions

147 yards on 13 completions

Those are numbers you want your QB hitting by halftime, not entire games.  Nearly half his games he's under 60% completion.  Hurts is a great running quarterback.  He is not a good passer.

I dont think anybody is claiming Hurts is a good passer. Except for the few outliers, but most accept his passing limitations. It's not the preferred QB style we want, but damn if it isn't working. For the all the arm strength McNabb, Randall and Vick had, they didn't win a damn thing in this league either. 

We are a run heavy, win the turnover battle type of team right now. And considering our o-line is one of the tops in the league, why wouldn't you run your offense to that strength? 

Hurts is who he is.  Poor throwing mechanics so he has difficulty getting the ball out quick in a rhythm and to the spot, especially on the quick outs- Devonta would have about 12-15 more receptions and another 150 yards or more if Hurts could execute that play alone- but...he is the QB this season, Eagles have played well recently despite having a very mediocre defense, so for right now, who gives a crap about next season?  Enjoy the awesome running game, enjoy watching our offensive line make huge men feel small and small men disappear to the edges of the field (so much fun watching LBs and DBs get mauled) and keeps our D off the field more!  It's fun, the schedule sets up nicely, and we may get a playoff game.  As we learned last off season whatever we think the QB situation will be can change quickly and surprisingly.   We go into NY on Sunday.  It will be great demoralizing another defense.

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I dont think anybody is claiming Hurts is a good passer. Except for the few outliers, but most accept his passing limitations. It's not the preferred QB style we want, but damn if it isn't working. For the all the arm strength McNabb, Randall and Vick had, they didn't win a damn thing in this league either. 

We are a run heavy, win the turnover battle type of team right now. And considering our o-line is one of the tops in the league, why wouldn't you run your offense to that strength? 

I'm not complaining about how the offense is playing at all.  That wasn't the point of what I was posting.  

14 minutes ago, justrelax said:

In the Don't Look Now But...category:

We have a couple of LBs I really like - Taylor and Edwards. Taylor was terrific the last couple of games before getting hurt, and Edwards has just gotten better and  better. He was the best player on the field yesterday, aside perhaps from Slay. His play recognition is good. He's tough. He can run. He can stack and shed. Those two guys have really helped closing those yawning gaps behind the LBs we saw the first two month of the season. Where Singleton was always late getting to the hole and filling,  Edwards is right there. Gannon is definitely asking Cox to tie up two guys inside and Edwards has been benefitting from the protection. They're working it out.

Assuming Taylor is healthy, he's a perfect complement to Edwards. He's really fast - Willie T fast - and he's finally learned the position. There was a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth around here for a couple of years but now we see why Howie (yes, Howie) drafted him.

I'm not fully with you on Edwards, but you can see the light coming on with Taylor. He just flies. Edwards in coverage is an adventure.

At this point, I think safety is the biggest weakness on the team and it's not close. I don't like any of our safeties. They don't make plays. They're not fast enough to play single-high. They're not crushing guys in the run game. They're JAGS protected by the scheme.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not complaining about how the offense is playing at all.  That wasn't the point of what I was posting.  

You're complaining that we aren't putting up enough passing numbers and our WRs are being wasted? Were you happier with the offense in the first month of the season when we were bombs away? 

 

10 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Elite line play can get you far. And we have that. 

But we don’t have an elite set of Gs right now.  Elite run blocking but not pass pro.  They are getting better every week, but if you watch closely, there are plays where Driscoll is on skates every week and Dickerson misses his block in pass pro.   As they get better, or Brooks returns to RG, then the OL will likely take the next step.  Dickerson and Driscoll are better run blockers than pass pro blockers at this point of their careers.  Heck, Kelce is elite at pulling but can misplay a pass pro on occasion. Both Lane and Mailata don’t always win..  Pass pro blocking is harder.  So as Dickerson and Driscoll get better, as Lane gets his head on straight and as the RBs continue to improve, the Eagles run the ball.  It isn’t all on Hurts but on runs, he makes run blocking even easier.  They whipped the best run D in the NFL yesterday, mano a mano.

Couple that with a QB that is a bit slow on his reads (but improving to my surprise), very cautious about protecting the ball to the point he wants the receiver to be really significantly open and is learning where his receivers will be, and throw to that spot.  We also have receivers learning Sirianni routes.  It is a work in progress.  

What is Hurts’ ceiling?  I don’t know.  Sirianni may have a hint but none of us know. The fact that there are folks that have determined he sucks and will always suck doesn’t reflect what can and does happen in the NFL with experience and confidence.  The NFL has plenty of players that rose to achieve much more than expected as the coaches got to know them and use their capabilities.   To automatically conclude that Hurts is capped at this point is beyond silly.  

We seem to accept that a sixth round C, a seventh round LT etc. can rise in capabilities but a second round QB?  Oh no, he wasn’t a first rounder so he sucks.  He was drafted as a "back up” so that is all he is.   I challenge that conclusion that he was drafted as a back up and that is all he is.  He was drafted as a closer because Wentz didn’t seem to be able to finish a season.   

On Squawk, Cramer just said he has bought he tickets to LA.  The other guy says that may be a little early and Jim just shrugs and says, that’s the way we are in Philly, the Eagles won so we’re good.

31 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If Jalen Hurts is the guy they want to roll with, they might as well trade DeVonta Smith because he will be wasted here and never reach the elite potential he has.  There's absolutely no reason he should be averaging 60 yards per game.  

Quez Watkins is a deep threat that teams drool over.  He showed that with the 91 yarder against SF.  Where has that gone?  He's averaging 2 catches per game and hasn't had 50 yards in any game besides the SF game.  We should be counting his 40-50 yard plays rather than games he has 40-50 yards total.

Yes, the running game is on another level right now but I don't want the QB to average 11 carries per game.  It's just not sustainable in the NFL and it does not make up for the fact that Jalen Hurts is holding the passing game back.  When your QB is holding the passing game back, that isn't a good thing. 

 

I really think the AFC champion is going to come down to whomever gets hot at the right time. Every team has flaws and been up and down. Or have lost some games they have no business losing  

titans are 7-0 against current playoff teams and 0-2 against jets and Texans. They are the ultimate Jekyll and Hyde team. Tannehill has been a turnover machine in his last 6 starts. Has 9 ints in his last 6 games. Even without yesterdays 4 he had 5 in 5 games. I’d add Aj brown left yesterdays game with a chest injury  

the bills have been leaking oil for a couple weeks now. They are 2-2 in their last four. Losing to the jags and Indy blew them out. Really Miami 4 weeks ago they won 26-11 but it was 17-11 with about 10 mins in that game. Lost 3 of 5. 

New England has been on fire. Their defense has been great during this stretch. Won 6 of 7 and 5 in a row. Got a tough 4 game stretch of vs. titans, at Buffalo, at Indy and vs. bills. 

chiefs offense is up and down. Mahomes turns it over but doesn’t get help from receivers. Saw 4-5 drops yesterday. His INT was more on kelce not catching it. Fumble was on him. But their defense has turned it around. 11.8 ppg last 4. Against marginal offenses outside of Dallas. But earlier in the season not sure they do that against anyone. They’ve won 5 of 6. Schedule is not as daunting as it once looked: vs. Denver, vs. Vegas, at chargers, vs. Steelers, at Bengals and at Denver. Doubt they run the table due to the three game stretch of LA, pitts, bengals. If they go 2-1 in that stretch look out. 

colts are hot. Won 5 of 6. If they didn’t blow a massive lead to the ravens it would be 8 of 9. They seem to be peaking at the right time. They can win in multiple ways. Running with Taylor and wentz can throw. 

It’s a tough read on the ravens. They have had a boatload of injuries and still are sitting at 7-3. Thought the win yesterday was huge without lamar. I think it comes down to the same topic it always does which is will the offense be as great when in the postseason. Also their schedule is tough down the stretch: vs. Cleveland, at Pittsburgh, at Cleveland, vs. GB, at bengals, vs. rams and at Pittsburgh. 

Cincy and the chargers are kind of mirror images of each other. Both look to have young franchise QBs. Roster with good skill position talent but defenses That are inconsistent and offense in some games just evaporated. Started the year off 3-1. Now sit 6-4. I think both are dangerous but likely a year away from being legit contenders. 

Just now, RLC said:

I'm not fully with you on Edwards, but you can see the light coming on with Taylor. He just flies. Edwards in coverage is an adventure.

At this point, I think safety is the biggest weakness on the team and it's not close. I don't like any of our safeties. They don't make plays. They're not fast enough to play single-high. They're not crushing guys in the run game. They're JAGS protected by the scheme.

Yep. Much as I was sour on Hurts, an upgrade to safety, LB and an edge rusher should be our top priorities. We could win a good amount of games with a tough defense and this running game. Dare I say, also look to pick up another Howard type back, either in the draft (rounds 3 and on) or thru FA. 

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Well, Hurts hit Quez in the hands at the end of the first half against Denver. Should have put the game away right there, but no.

We ran the ball 50 times. 50! You do that, there aren't a lot of receptions to go around. However, the mere fact of Devonte being out there is a big part of making the running game go. Safety support, you know. And he had six catches and is on track for 1000 yards as a rookie, so not too bad.

But go ahead and trade him if you want.

He did and Quez should have caught that ball.  I don't want to trade Smith, I do however think it's poor roster management to spend a top 10 pick on a position that is dependent on a position that you don't have an answer at.  

If Smith get's 1,000 yards, which he should, that means he's averaged 58 yards a game.  I don't get too excited about that out of a top 10 pick.  Maybe my expectations are too high?  

Smith has nearly identical numbers to Kyle Pitts...at TE, albeit a freak TE.    

Pitts 43 catches 635 yards 1 TD

Smith 46 catches 664 yards 4 TD

Ja'Marr Chase has 1 more catch than Smith but 200 yards more!  

This isn't a knock on Smith, it's the routes that Hurts is hitting him on or not even seeing him on that are holding him back.  

 

Amazing how Reagor, Watkins and Smith are now some kind of elite receiving corps who are all being held back by Jalen Hurts.

Sorry folks, still bottom third in the league.

A couple of points...

First, Hurts isn't playing against the bad QBs.  This week he played against a top defense and hung up 33 points on them.  It probably should have been 41.

Second, I agree that Hurts isn't a top-10, or maybe a top-15 QB.  But with the way the Oline is playing, it doesn't really matter.  His running ability fits in well with the current scheme.  And until someone stops it, why fix it?

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You're complaining that we aren't putting up enough passing numbers and our WRs are being wasted? Were you happier with the offense in the first month of the season when we were bombs away? 

I'd like to see Hurts open the field up a little more is all I'm saying.  I don't want bombs away and they were hardly bombs away early in the season.  It was just extremely pass heavy, all to the right and all in the 10-15 yard range.  

 

We don't play any games further than NY and DC the rest of the year. 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Amazing how Reagor, Watkins and Smith are now some kind of elite receiving corps who are all being held back by Jalen Hurts.

Sorry folks, still bottom third in the league.

Never said Reagor was but Smith and Watkins 100%.  Reagor just can't get out of his own way.  

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

We don't play any games further than NY and DC the rest of the year. 

We actually never go all the way to NY.