Any 3 man DL yesterday? I didn’t see any which is good… Cox isn’t a NT, Sweat isn’t a 4i/5T, and Avery isn’t much of anything. It’s amazing how long this team intentionally played into their weaknesses (away from their strengths isn’t the right choice of words).

16 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I dont think anybody is claiming Hurts is a good passer. Except for the few outliers, but most accept his passing limitations. It's not the preferred QB style we want, but damn if it isn't working. For the all the arm strength McNabb, Randall and Vick had, they didn't win a damn thing in this league either. 

We are a run heavy, win the turnover battle type of team right now. And considering our o-line is one of the tops in the league, why wouldn't you run your offense to that strength? 

If you are only talking about winning Super Bowls you can s___ on 95% of the Quarterbacks. McNabb helped make us consistent contenders for that for a decade. That’s often overlooked because we didn’t get over the proverbial hump. 

Taking off the rose-colored glasses for a moment, I have to say that there were at least three WTF moments with Driscoll, plays where he didn't block anybody. It's not that he whiffed; he just didn't block anybody. For example:

My best guess is that he's supposed to combo-block the DT with Kelce, but...

You can see the DT coming through clean. Driscoll has to take him, either alone or in combination but...

 

Driscoll is looking at the safety. Had he combo-blocked, he could still come off to take the safety but instead he gives the DT a free run at the RB...

 

Who has Howard dead to rights in the backfield. Howard had no chance.

 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Never said Reagor was but Smith and Watkins 100%.  Reagor just can't get out of his own way.  

The eagles need a complimentary WR to smith. Watkins i think will be fine as a no. 3 WR. The biggest issue has been reagor. He’s regressed and doesn’t seem to be making any improvements. I’m guessing they go after a veteran WR rather than via the draft. if you are able to bring someone in like DJ chark, Allen robinson, Mike Williams or someone else in FA it improves the WR corps a lot. Not sure the eagles want to throw the type of money at guys like robinson, Williams and some others will get in FA. So I’m not expecting those three. 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd like to see Hurts open the field up a little more is all I'm saying.  I don't want bombs away and they were hardly bombs away early in the season.  It was just extremely pass heavy, all to the right and all in the 10-15 yard range.  

 

I want him to be able complete some passes and be able to go to 2nd or 3rd options. Again, no need to add to this offense until that happens. 
Just keep pounding away. The interesting thing will be if we get behind by a couple of scores early … will Nick continue to run?

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A couple of points...

First, Hurts isn't playing against the bad QBs.  This week he played against a top defense and hung up 33 points on them.  It probably should have been 41.

Second, I agree that Hurts isn't a top-10, or maybe a top-15 QB.  But with the way the Oline is playing, it doesn't really matter.  His running ability fits in well with the current scheme.  And until someone stops it, why fix it?

My multiple posts about Hurts passing issues weren't meant to say stop doing what they are doing.  It was a big picture outlook observation.  The running game is working now and that's great....no don't fix it.

However, in the long run, I don't think this is anywhere near what Sirianni envisioned his team to be nor is it what he wants his team to be.  

There are 2 reasons that the team is run heavy right now.  

1.  The O-Line strength is run blocking....which honestly makes you question the roster management when this is the line they built...for a passing team.  We really lucked in to seeing the line get to play to their strengths.

2.  Hurts is an elite running QB who is not a good passing QB.  

 

Again, I'm not complaining about the running game.  I love it.  I'm not saying change or fix it as it's clearly working.  I'm just trying to gauge where this team goes moving forward and not next week but next season and the next.  If this is the team they turn in to, that's awesome.  I'd love to change the trend of the NFL and make teams react to what the Eagles are doing.  However, I don't think that's the case.  I think Sirianni wants to be a 60/40 passing team if not more. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'm loving the offense and applaud Nick Sirianni for coaching and adjusting.  Because his "scheme" before was NOT WORKING.  I always enjoy the running aspect of football.  And these games are so much more entertaining then earlier in the season.  The less Hurts throws.....the better.  But that being said....that is not sustainable for long term growth of a team and an offense.  I know you know that......I'm just resetting that point.  Because there are some in here and on the radio....anointing him as the next Randall/McNabb....Patting Howie on the back......

 

If I am going to rate my comfort level of the 3 key figures of this franchise....I'll rank them in this order (first to last).

- Nick Sirianni

large gap

- Jalen Hurts

grand canyon gap

- Lowie

Hurts is what he is, a limited passer, but a helluva runner. He's actually a better runner than I thought he was coming into the season, and has improved his running as the season has gone along. I think we should look to upgrade from him at some point, but I don't think he ever becomes Randall/Donovan et all. 

So we really have two options for next year:

1) Keep Hurts at QB, invest heavily in defense, bring in another Howard type back to help shoulder the load, and run it all back next year with the same type of offense. Hoping that the D would be improved enough to make us legit contenders. We may falter in the playoffs as running QB's tend to do, but there's a formula there that Lowie may be intrigued by. 

2) Bail on Hurts, and look for a new QB, one who can throw. Either thru draft or trade, go out and find the guy. This probably limits the upgrades to defense (though not necessarily so), but at least we could begin to develop our QB, or bring in a veteran to lead us deep into the playoffs. 

Still a good chunk of football left this year, so plans could change. Also depends on exactly who becomes available at QB. 

For now, I'm enjoying the hell out of us destroying teams, it's a lot of fun to watch our o-line maul people, especially those d-bag Saints. 

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And we're right back to overloading one side of the field.

They took what was given in the passing game.  

32 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A couple of points...

First, Hurts isn't playing against the bad QBs.  This week he played against a top defense and hung up 33 points on them.  It probably should have been 41.

Second, I agree that Hurts isn't a top-10, or maybe a top-15 QB.  But with the way the Oline is playing, it doesn't really matter.  His running ability fits in well with the current scheme.  And until someone stops it, why fix it?

True but the eagles played great complimentary football in the first three quarters. The defense gave the offense short fields to go and score cause siemian was awful for 3 quarters. The eagles offense took advantage of the short field positions and put points on the board. The average scoring drive for the eagles yesterday was 44 yards (Ingram fumble eagles went 12 yards got a field goal. Siemian threw a pick and only had to go 39 yards). Only had one scoring drive over 60 yards all game. The saints in the first three quarters had 11 drives. 7 were under a minute. The offense ran the ball well and put up points. They also got great field position for the majority of the game. The eagles really played great complimentary football yesterday (outside of a couple instances like miles sanders fumble)

the eagles complimentary football was fantastic yesterday for most of the game outside of the sanders fumble and a small stretch in the 4th where the saints only had to go 34 and 39 yards to score (when the game was basically over)

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

They took what was given in the passing game.  

Agree.  If the out to Goedert is always there, then why not?

Again, it's working.  Blemishes and all.  33 points on offense against a top defense.

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

1) Keep Hurts at QB, invest heavily in defense, bring in another Howard type back to help shoulder the load, and run it all back next year with the same type of offense. Hoping that the D would be improved enough to make us legit contenders. We may falter in the playoffs as running QB's tend to do, but there's a formula there that Lowie may be intrigued by. 

 

I feel like we're going after each other today LOL, but not intended.  Just looking at different view points.  Yes, I'm with you...the running game is fantastic and I love watching this line beat up on guys.  It's truly a joy to watch.  You can go back to my posts last week and see that I mentioned the same thing as you.  If this running team is who they are then I would love to see them go after another RB and I'd argue, not another Howard type but an elite back.  I'm not sure Howard is your lead dog or can be the lead dog.  I'd rather have a bell cow and then have Howard come in and just wear the defense out.  

If that's the direction they go however, they have wasted so much draft capital on the passing game just to abandon it.  There was no predicting that the running game would be this good.  Imagine if they didn't invest in JJAW, Reagor or Smith.  They could have focused on defense and had a LB group of Kenneth Murray and Micah Parsons with their 1st round picks and drafted a guy like safety Taylor Rapp, who has 5 INT for the Rams this year. 

 

Hurts is still a young QB.  I think he shows uncommon attributes that you can build upon.  Our problem initially was Sirianni, our schedule and that we’re still somewhat old.  He’s adjusted, Hurts has shown enough as a young QB, and we have a lot of draft capital.  I would be very disappointed if we used any of that early capital on a QB.  There are plenty of other holes to fill.  
 

Thus far I’m very pleased with this team though my expectations were admittedly low.  Use the picks on D, and I’m more than happy being a run first defensive minded team.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I remember after looking like he was coming on late last season, and a really nice pre-season a lot of people were hoping he might be a legit starter. Once the season started, I dont think there was anyone on his side. 

Singleton did okay filling in for Taylor yesterday.  He is the #3 LB.  Edwards is playing real well.  Bradley is having a bang up year on STs.  Avery is invisible.  Johnson isn’t getting much of a chance.   Going to be checking out potential SAMs for the upcoming draft for third day. 

16 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Here's the Convo I had with my buddies yesterday...

Are you confident, this year or next with Hurts rolling into enemy territory for a playoff game, or an important December/January start - everyone said no. 

Are you confident with Hurts leading a team to victory when theyre down 14-17-20 points, the answers were al no

Are you confident with Hurts if for whatever reason the run game doesnt get off the ground, the answer again was no. 

Oh you and your buddies? Well damn! 

You had your mind made up before the season, and nothing could possibly change it.

I’m not surprised though. Honestly don’t think you and your buddies deserve a QB as good as Hurts.

Hurts is good enough to finish this season, and I think probably next season too. I don't see a QB in the draft that I'd like the Birds to draft, I also don't want the Birds going out and getting Wilson or Rogers spending high draft picks on the trades. This team needs and should invest the early draft picks into the defense and then re-evaluate after next season at QB. They don't need to spend/waste any resources on another QB for next season when Hurts can probably get you the same results with the talent on the team.

25 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A couple of points...

First, Hurts isn't playing against the bad QBs.  This week he played against a top defense and hung up 33 points on them.  It probably should have been 41.

Second, I agree that Hurts isn't a top-10, or maybe a top-15 QB.  But with the way the Oline is playing, it doesn't really matter.  His running ability fits in well with the current scheme.  And until someone stops it, why fix it?

agreed with this about our current scheme ⬆️.  Its not complicated, it may be a little 2 dimensional, but it leverages the current strengths of our QB and offensive unit. Don't fix what aint broken. Instead, use it as a baseline, then focus on optimizing and adding complexity

If this team wants to continue this type of run game into the future, which they should be and have been doing for quite awhile now and feather in the cap for those that always say we need to run the ball and got kick back from the passing wins games crowd, continue to feed the o-line with powerful young players and dare I say, use as high as a second rounder on a good back. Maybe Spiller, Hall or Allgeier. 

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

My multiple posts about Hurts passing issues weren't meant to say stop doing what they are doing.  It was a big picture outlook observation.  The running game is working now and that's great....no don't fix it.

However, in the long run, I don't think this is anywhere near what Sirianni envisioned his team to be nor is it what he wants his team to be.  

There are 2 reasons that the team is run heavy right now.  

1.  The O-Line strength is run blocking....which honestly makes you question the roster management when this is the line they built...for a passing team.  We really lucked in to seeing the line get to play to their strengths.

The line is great all around. It makes you question roster management? Just wow.

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2.  Hurts is an elite running QB who is not a good passing QB.  

Repeating it 100 times doesn’t make it true. I suggest to actually look at him passing. It‘s obvious he is throwing a very good ball. 

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Again, I'm not complaining about the running game.  I love it.  I'm not saying change or fix it as it's clearly working.  I'm just trying to gauge where this team goes moving forward and not next week but next season and the next.  If this is the team they turn in to, that's awesome.  I'd love to change the trend of the NFL and make teams react to what the Eagles are doing.  However, I don't think that's the case.  I think Sirianni wants to be a 60/40 passing team if not more. 

I think ultimately we will need to find true balance.

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

They took what was given in the passing game.  

Exactly right. With Mailata and Dickerson, the defense has to load up on its right side, the offensive left. Which means they have to go light somewhere else, which as it turns out, is their left side - the offensive right.

This is not new.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

LULZ what a clown. 

You feel confident in Hurts throwing the ball 40+ times LOL. He's like 2-6 when he has to throw the ball more then 25 times lol . 

"LULZ"? What are you, 12? 😄

35 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A couple of points...

First, Hurts isn't playing against the bad QBs.  This week he played against a top defense and hung up 33 points on them.  It probably should have been 41.

Second, I agree that Hurts isn't a top-10, or maybe a top-15 QB.  But with the way the Oline is playing, it doesn't really matter.  His running ability fits in well with the current scheme.  And until someone stops it, why fix it?

Right, but the bad QBs are unable to properly score and thusly, put any sort of pressure on our offense.

The last guy that could was Herbert and, wouldn't you know it, he beat us.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Right, but the bad QBs are unable to properly score and thusly, put any sort of pressure on our offense.

The last guy that could was Herbert and, wouldn't you know it, he beat us.

He beat the Eagles because the defense couldn't get a stop when it counted.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Right, but the bad QBs are unable to properly score and thusly, put any sort of pressure on our offense.

The last guy that could was Herbert and, wouldn't you know it, he beat us.

And that was on Hurts?  Not the D that let Herbert go 32/38, 356, 2, 0?

2 hours ago, MillerTime said:

Every year unless you have the 1st pick you’re gonna miss out on a good player. The problem isn’t missing those players. It’s the players we decide to pick while other good players are still on the board.

The whole point is the get to the playoffs. After that it’s one game at a time. To actively not want to do that over draft picks is just garbage as a fan. 

No. Winning the Super Bowl is the goal. Be really bad and rebuild or be good enough to really have a shot. There is a difference between being a borderline playoff team and what the Eagles are now. They have zero shot of competing against the real contenders this year. 

The there are still good players they missed may have some validity but flawed as well. Lamb is better than Jefferson. 

12 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

agreed with this about our current scheme ⬆️.  Its not complicated, it may be a little 2 dimensional, but it leverages the current strengths of our QB and offensive unit. Don't fix what aint broken. Instead, use it as a baseline, then focus on optimizing and adding complexity

Exactly!